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Varl
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Posted - 24 Sep 2011 :  00:13:25  Show Profile Send Varl a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yup. Dungeons and Dragonspretty much says iconic to me.

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Dungeon Masters.

Also part of the Dungeons & Dragons name. Fearsome creatures indeed. Often copied by other RPGs, usually named Game Masters or Referees or whatever to avoid IP trespass ... but none of these imitations truly captures to true essence of what a proper D&D Dungeon Master can inspire.

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I chose beholder because it sticks out the most in my mind, and I found them fascinating. Its for sure the most iconic creature that was entirely invented for D&D, most of the others were taken from past mythologies. Beholders (and displacer beasts, but I don't really think they are iconic) are truley unique to D&D. They came from D&D and exist in other media like Heroes of Might and Magic, and possibly elsewhere I don't know about!
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quote:
Originally posted by MrHedgehog

I chose beholder because it sticks out the most in my mind, and I found them fascinating. Its for sure the most iconic creature that was entirely invented for D&D, most of the others were taken from past mythologies. Beholders (and displacer beasts, but I don't really think they are iconic) are truley unique to D&D. They came from D&D and exist in other media like Heroes of Might and Magic, and possibly elsewhere I don't know about!


Also in the King's Bounty saga you can find two classes of Beholders.

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quote:
Originally posted by MrHedgehog

I chose beholder because it sticks out the most in my mind, and I found them fascinating. Its for sure the most iconic creature that was entirely invented for D&D, most of the others were taken from past mythologies. Beholders (and displacer beasts, but I don't really think they are iconic) are truley unique to D&D. They came from D&D and exist in other media like Heroes of Might and Magic, and possibly elsewhere I don't know about!



Uh.... If it exists elsewhere, it's not unique to D&D.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by MrHedgehog

I chose beholder because it sticks out the most in my mind, and I found them fascinating. Its for sure the most iconic creature that was entirely invented for D&D, most of the others were taken from past mythologies. Beholders (and displacer beasts, but I don't really think they are iconic) are truley unique to D&D. They came from D&D and exist in other media like Heroes of Might and Magic, and possibly elsewhere I don't know about!



Uh.... If it exists elsewhere, it's not unique to D&D.



Considering that it originated from D&D and only the IP owners can allow it to branch into other media makes it unique to my sensibilities. And while there are similiarities between the Beholder and THIS monster, they're not the same. Outside of D&D, I can't remember ever seeing a creature resembling a Beholder.

Dragons on the other hand.......are everywhere in all forms and with no "owner" for their specific usage. While they're generally iconic to D&D, I wouldn't say D&D springs to mind when I instantly see one.


Another truely Iconic creature in D&D are Drow. When I see those, I instantly think of D&D and Drizzt. So I'd say Beholders, Drow, then Dragons for iconic symbols of Dungeons and Dragons.

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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by MrHedgehog

I chose beholder because it sticks out the most in my mind, and I found them fascinating. Its for sure the most iconic creature that was entirely invented for D&D, most of the others were taken from past mythologies. Beholders (and displacer beasts, but I don't really think they are iconic) are truley unique to D&D. They came from D&D and exist in other media like Heroes of Might and Magic, and possibly elsewhere I don't know about!




Uh.... If it exists elsewhere, it's not unique to D&D.



Considering that it originated from D&D and only the IP owners can allow it to branch into other media makes it unique to my sensibilities. And while there are similiarities between the Beholder and THIS monster, they're not the same. Outside of D&D, I can't remember ever seeing a creature resembling a Beholder.

Dragons on the other hand.......are everywhere in all forms and with no "owner" for their specific usage. While they're generally iconic to D&D, I wouldn't say D&D springs to mind when I instantly see one.


Another truely Iconic creature in D&D are Drow. When I see those, I instantly think of D&D and Drizzt. So I'd say Beholders, Drow, then Dragons for iconic symbols of Dungeons and Dragons.



Drow have developed quite a bit of popularity from D&D but their origin, or at least something similar, has its roots in Scandinavian folklore.

Reading all these posts makes me think it's more of a select group of abberations that are iconic...not just beholders.

Again, I'd certainly pick Dragons as my favorite, but not the most iconic.

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Here's something to consider, folks, that others have already brought up, but is worth restating: a lot of the suggested "iconic" critters are rarely, if ever, found outside of D&D. Many of them, in fact, if seen by someone not familiar with D&D, might be mistaken as something out of sci-fi.

Thinks I that if something truly iconic for D&D, it's going to be something that people not familiar with D&D will look at and think, "oh, that must be something D&D-related."

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quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

What do you think is the most iconic Dungeons & Dragons monster/race of all time? If your choice is not listed please let us know.



Solars just for their sheer rarity, majesty, and power. I don't think I have ever seen solar in a forgotten realms Novel...
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quote:
Originally posted by jordanz

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

What do you think is the most iconic Dungeons & Dragons monster/race of all time? If your choice is not listed please let us know.



Solars just for their sheer rarity, majesty, and power. I don't think I have ever seen solar in a forgotten realms Novel...



come to think of it, have there been any good outsiders? The Sannyasi from Faces of Deception is all I can think of.

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I'm rather partial towards genasi ... they've even almost managed to become regular inhabitants of my pre-3E Realms setting. Cambions and Alu-demons are always fine beasts; somehow being half human makes them more fearsome than pureblooded fiends. Tieflings are too diluted for my tastes, just another superficial makeover on humanity, basically just an ethnic group (albeit one with rather unusual ethnicity) struggling to find acceptance in society - got enough of those to choose from already.

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Gotta go with dragons, red dragons specifically.

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I went with Other. And that other is the Rust Monster.

While it may not be able to inflict much (if any) harm on the character, it has no problem destroying your weapons, armor & other gear. Some of these items were hard to get, others players came across by mere chance (and most likely never would again), and some they have had for a long time. I have seen groups of heavily armed (and high level) players run in fear from one of these creatures, players that could easily have slain an elder beholder.

All of my characters carried a bag of rough iron spikes with them in case they came across a Rust Monster. I learned the first time, after my fighter had his magical chainmail & both of his short swords consumed by one of these beasts.

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For "most iconic" I'd have to vote beholder. I'm a little sad no one has yet said "gelatinous cube" or "flumph", though.

Dragons are ubiquitous in general fantasy, like parsley in Italian cooking.


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quote:
Originally posted by Therise

For "most iconic" I'd have to vote beholder. I'm a little sad no one has yet said "gelatinous cube" or "flumph", though.

Dragons are ubiquitous in general fantasy, like parsley in Italian cooking.





I mentioned the Rust Monster, does that count? Besides, when i think of the Gelatinous Cube it just reminds me of my roommate back in college

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quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

For "most iconic" I'd have to vote beholder. I'm a little sad no one has yet said "gelatinous cube" or "flumph", though.

Dragons are ubiquitous in general fantasy, like parsley in Italian cooking.





I mentioned the Rust Monster, does that count? Besides, when i think of the Gelatinous Cube it just reminds me of my roommate back in college


Rust Monster definitely gets props, but many roommates better fit the ochre jelly. Maybe a gray pudding. Especially if they're addicted to Eve Online. "Heyo! Bring meh the Doritos and spray cheez!"


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quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

For "most iconic" I'd have to vote beholder. I'm a little sad no one has yet said "gelatinous cube" or "flumph", though.

Dragons are ubiquitous in general fantasy, like parsley in Italian cooking.





I mentioned the Rust Monster, does that count? Besides, when i think of the Gelatinous Cube it just reminds me of my roommate back in college


Rust Monster definitely gets props, but many roommates better fit the ochre jelly. Maybe a gray pudding. Especially if they're addicted to Eve Online. "Heyo! Bring meh the Doritos and spray cheez!"





LOL good one

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I had to vote displacer beast. Not only is it unique to D&D, but some of my most memorable games have included them- and I've NEVER had a game that involved beholders. The displacer is both feirce, and easily recognised as a D&D-related monster even by those no familiar with the game, based simply on its feline appearance and multiple legs. It screams "fantasy game" to me!

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I have to go with the Drow. They are an original and extremely iconic creation of the realms. When you think of the realms one of the most prominent images in anyone's mind will be Drizzt or a Drow matron mother.
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quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

What is so special about a dragon? You seem them in 99% of fantasy literature. Beholders and Mind Flayers are found in only one place.



I don't agree with this argument. There are hundreds of creature unique to d&d that few cares about, and we don't call them iconic. I think a beholder or a mind flayer is much more cool and original than a flaming red dragon, but more iconic? Nope, not at all.


I have to disagree with you there. I mean when you think of dragons you think of Smaug or saint George or something. Who thinks about Tchazzar?
So dragons dont really represent the realms the way a monster like a drow does.
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I have to go with the Drow. They are an original and extremely iconic creation of the realms. When you think of the realms one of the most prominent images in anyone's mind will be Drizzt or a Drow matron mother.




That would be like saying humans are iconic of the Realms because of Elminster.

Drow are not original to the Realms, and I think that calling them iconic for the setting does a disservice to the setting -- the Realms is so much more than just one or two characters and their race. It doesn't matter if it's Liriel, or Elminster, or Erevis, or Bahb the Fighter -- characters are only one aspect of a setting.

And for me, the images of drow that come most readily to mind are from a Dragon cover and an old Greyhawk supplement/module (I don't actually own it, so I don't know which it is). Images of the Realms that come most readily to mind for me are the covers of Azure Bonds, FR5 The Savage Frontier, FR9 The Bloodstone Lands, Forgotten Realms Adventures, Spellfire, and the cover of the Shadowdale book in the 2E FRCS. Not one of those books has a drow on the cover.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

What is so special about a dragon? You seem them in 99% of fantasy literature. Beholders and Mind Flayers are found in only one place.



I don't agree with this argument. There are hundreds of creature unique to d&d that few cares about, and we don't call them iconic. I think a beholder or a mind flayer is much more cool and original than a flaming red dragon, but more iconic? Nope, not at all.


I have to disagree with you there. I mean when you think of dragons you think of Smaug or saint George or something. Who thinks about Tchazzar?
So dragons dont really represent the realms the way a monster like a drow does.



There's a lot of dragons I think of before Smaug, and not all of them are D&D dragons... But the fact remains that the game is named Dungeons & Dragons, and you can't get more iconic than the name of the game itself.

And the original question wasn't about the Realms, it was about D&D in general.

Drow can be found on just about any D&D world you can name -- but not all of them (Krynn and Athas are drowless). Dragons, on the other hand, can be found on any D&D world.

And no D&D player is going to remember killing his first drow nearly as readily as his first dragon...

So dragons are far more iconic than just another common D&D race.

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I voted Other. For me, Mind Flayers or Rust Monsters.

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For me its the Beholder. It is completely illogical, original to D&D and a part of the game since the early days. I love them. especially the grinning Fabian versions.

The Rust Monster would be a good choice also of course.

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