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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 20 Oct 2011 : 02:51:59
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Originally posted by Markustay
TY Wooly and Sage - now I have to consider if the Phaerimm - and Sharn for that matter - can't simply fly through Arcane space unassisted (do they even need to breath?)
Hmmm. That actually prompts a further query of my own re: what we know about the sharn focusing on other magically abusive powers. Does the oversight of the sharn extend beyond Realmspace?
I'm really going to cogitate on this.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11701 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2011 : 18:49:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Another question for my ever-growing queue... A discussion in another thread has me wondering about cosmetic uses of magic. Not polymorphing for combat or disguise, or just covering flaws with an illusion, but rather using magic in the same way that some people in the real world use surgery or dietary aids to alter their appearance.
I once made up a magical hair dye that also allows the owner to change their hair style. Wooly Rupert's Wondrous Hair Dye was a flip response to why artwork of Alustriel didn't match the description (specifically, the hair color), but I can see wealthy people being interested in something like that...
Is there magic for re-aligning teeth, instead of wearing braces? Can cantrips be used to wax eyebrows and bikini areas? Can a variant enlarge act as a magical boob job? How about magical clothing that aids in losing weight, or makes one look more trim, or that provides a Charisma bonus? Can a specialized polymorph function as liposuction or rhinoplasty?
Yes, cantrips in 1st edition could make hair fall out, so yes... you could wax the bikini area. Secondarily, I remember somewhere that it was stated that a mage in Soorenar had developed a spell for stealing faces, so I had always figured it was Velsharoon, and whenever he transferred his soul to a new body he'd steal his old face. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2011 : 19:25:52
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Another question for my ever-growing queue... A discussion in another thread has me wondering about cosmetic uses of magic. Not polymorphing for combat or disguise, or just covering flaws with an illusion, but rather using magic in the same way that some people in the real world use surgery or dietary aids to alter their appearance.
I once made up a magical hair dye that also allows the owner to change their hair style. Wooly Rupert's Wondrous Hair Dye was a flip response to why artwork of Alustriel didn't match the description (specifically, the hair color), but I can see wealthy people being interested in something like that...
Is there magic for re-aligning teeth, instead of wearing braces? Can cantrips be used to wax eyebrows and bikini areas? Can a variant enlarge act as a magical boob job? How about magical clothing that aids in losing weight, or makes one look more trim, or that provides a Charisma bonus? Can a specialized polymorph function as liposuction or rhinoplasty?
Yes, cantrips in 1st edition could make hair fall out, so yes... you could wax the bikini area. Secondarily, I remember somewhere that it was stated that a mage in Soorenar had developed a spell for stealing faces, so I had always figured it was Velsharoon, and whenever he transferred his soul to a new body he'd steal his old face.
Well, could that cantrip remove some hair but leave other hair? Sure, you could leave someone with no eyebrows -- but could you just remove the unwanted eyelashes and leave the rest? That's what I'm curious about.  |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 20 Oct 2011 : 21:39:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, could that cantrip remove some hair but leave other hair? Sure, you could leave someone with no eyebrows -- but could you just remove the unwanted eyelashes and leave the rest? That's what I'm curious about.
Just like you throw fireballs without hitting your friends, just controlling the range and area of the cantrip...  |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Oct 2011 : 18:52:18
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Hi again, all.
Sage, I empathize with your cogitation. Here's the problem re. "Hmmm. That actually prompts a further query of my own re: what we know about the sharn focusing on other magically abusive powers. Does the oversight of the sharn extend beyond Realmspace?"
The problem is: what do we really KNOW about the Sharn? And how reliable is our knowledge? In other words, how much of what we do "know" is propaganda? Or mistaken/misinterpreted lore, reworded overtime to become "established fact"?
THERE's your "Hmmm." 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 03:12:02
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You are a seductive temptress, milady... leaving me with lingering lore-bits such as this. They're scratching me right where I itch.  [On a side-note, it's also prompted me to re-read Steven Schend's Blackstaff when I return to Perth, for the sharn-creation sections. And then see what I can draw from that and put together with what you just said above.]
The only problem I have now, is the fact that I've some many new thoughts about my original query, and no notebook with me to record them. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 03:47:20
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Originally posted by The Sage
You are a seductive temptress, milady... leaving me with lingering lore-bits such as this. They're scratching me right where I itch. [On a side-note, it's also prompted me to re-read Steven Schend's Blackstaff when I return to Perth, for the sharn-creation sections. And then see what I can draw from that and put together with what you just said above.]
The only problem I have now, is the fact that I've some many new thoughts about my original query, and no notebook with me to record them.
Send yourself a PM silly old Sage. Or send it my way and I'll send it to you when you return! |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 17:42:44
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Hi again, all.
Nowak, Ed has sent me a reply to this: "Hello Ed & THO,
"The Laughing Wyrm", Zundaerazylym, is noticeably absent from the Neverwinter Campaign Setting book.
I'm sure the answer is "NDA...", but can you tell me if Zundaerazylym survived the Spellplague, or what her final fate was/is?"
Heeeere's Ed:
I'm sorry, but that is indeed NDA. However, if I was a hinting man, I'd hint: survival but drastic change/relocation. ;}
So saith Ed, and there you have it.
He is VERY busy with writing work right now, but the good news is: there's Realmslore amongst it!
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 17:48:54
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And hi again: whilst I was posting that last reply, another e-mail from Ed sidled into my e-inbox, and in part it reads, in response to Sage's recent post: "Quick side-query about this... Aside from the more obvious locales in the Realms where these new Maztican corn crops may have started flourishing, have any crops also popped up in unexpected places?"
Ed replies:
Yes, many small, scattered plantings literally "all over the place," due to: thefts from farmers and traders that were replanted, traders and others trying a little experimental planting of their own in various backland plots and farms, and dragons and other beasts plundering corn deliberately or unintentionally whilst "grabbing" other prey, and defecating corn in various spots (or in the air, to fall on random locales). Of course, wild corn doesn't last long where climate and other growing conditions aren't friendly, but elsewhere...
So saith Ed. Who will get to other lore replies when he can.
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 08:39:48
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 17:44:00
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 01:00:24
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
And hi again: whilst I was posting that last reply, another e-mail from Ed sidled into my e-inbox, and in part it reads, in response to Sage's recent post: "Quick side-query about this... Aside from the more obvious locales in the Realms where these new Maztican corn crops may have started flourishing, have any crops also popped up in unexpected places?"
Ed replies:
Yes, many small, scattered plantings literally "all over the place," due to: thefts from farmers and traders that were replanted, traders and others trying a little experimental planting of their own in various backland plots and farms, and dragons and other beasts plundering corn deliberately or unintentionally whilst "grabbing" other prey, and defecating corn in various spots (or in the air, to fall on random locales). Of course, wild corn doesn't last long where climate and other growing conditions aren't friendly, but elsewhere...
So saith Ed. Who will get to other lore replies when he can.
love,
THO
My thanks, Ed, and to you as well, my lovely lady.
I'll note, also, that I really do enjoy it when one of my side-queries to Ed, ends up conjuring some alternative meanderings for my Realms -- especially when it's stuff I wouldn't normally consider. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 15:07:05
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Ed, I have been thinking about the 'deep truths' behind the Realms, and today I am going back to basics - the name of the setting. 
I assume you've read The Mists of Avalon; were the "Forgotten Realms" (YOUR original concept) supposed to be like how things work in that book? Places that have 'drifted away' from our own reality? I remember (from that novel) it being discussed how the world of the 'old people' became harder and harder to reach. And then parts of the Pagan world began to drift away as well, pushing that even more legendary (earlier) world further 'out' (making it impossible to reach from the mortal world, unless one were to cross into the 'Pagan world' first). So that Pagan-region became the 'Mittlemarch' (great term borrowed from Moorcock) - a sort-of "Wood Between the Worlds".
And then I remember how the Fey originated on Toril...
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Hi, my question is somewhat morbid- Has Ed ever thought of the realms coming to an end? What I mean by that is does Ed have a serious idea of how the death of the realms would happen? The answer will be NDA I know but I was just curious.
Ed had an 'FR-Ragnarok' built-in from the beginning, which was never supposed to get used (at least not by him). He discusses this as part of the Realms 'deeper secrets' when 4e was released - the Spellplague is based on it. There is a pinned scroll around here somewhere where it is addressed.
Of course, that 'self-destruct' was never supposed to be pressed. I get this picture in my head of Ed talking to the original design team and saying "that's the red button... NEVER touch the red button". |
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
592 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 15:20:42
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With a recent show on the Culper Ring...
Are the spy ring of all Azoun III and his family based on the Culper Ring of George Washington (Common people recruited to bring information) or just a happy accident of two great minds?
Is fourth edition Cormyr Royalty have their own private spy ring (like Culper) still for each member? Are there more spy rings of common folks in the realms, both past and present (1st-3.5, and 4th editions)? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 16:57:17
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Quick question:
Did Larloch have a love interest? [If yes, who was it?] |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 18:38:44
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Hi again, all.
Herewith, quick replies from Ed to Arcanus, and then to Markustay:
Hi, Arcanus. Yes, I envisaged an "end of the Realms" scenario after I first thought of the Realms, but well before I sold it to TSR as a setting. I came up with it sometime early in 1979, I think. Markustay has pointed to it in his reply. There were also quite a few slightly less drastic "if this goes on" scenarios wherein I envisaged a "fall" for humanity if they took magic use (and reckless magical warfare) too far...as Netheril, for example, fell. Most of these are still NDA because they were turned in to TSR in 1986 (and - who knows? - might still end up being used, someday).
Hi, Markustay. The answer is "yes and no." As in: yes, passage between our world and the Realms became harder and harder as some gates (4e portals) were destroyed, others became controlled by power groups (think of the Bellers in Philip Jose Farmer's tales of Kickaha the Trickster), and still others were simply forgotten, as those who knew their secrets died off without passing what they knew on (or passing on only parts of it). See my article in issue 37 of THE DRAGON (as the magazine was then known) for an overview of gates in fantasy literature, and I did borrow "the Wood Between The Worlds" from William Morris (the same place C.S. Lewis swiped it from) concept for a "middle ground." What I swiped from Moorcock was the ship that sails the seas, "phasing" (while cloaked in mist) from the sea on one Prime Material Plane to a sea on another Prime Material.
MZB (whom I met three or four times, and was good but nt close friends with) wrote THE MISTS OF AVALON well after I had my Realms cosmology sorted out, but I like the "feel" she managed for her real world/old world interface. In my childhood, I'd read many, many British childrens' fantasy writers (e.g. Margaret Storey, in TIMOTHY AND TWO WITCHES and its sequels) who dusted off, polished, and presented various folk traditions about our world and various worlds of magic (like "the Open Country"). All of them influenced me in a "look and feel" sense - - as they did MZB, who drew on the same traditions.
So saith Ed. And there you have it: another peek at the roots of the Realms.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 18:50:24
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Oho! As I was posting Ed's last replies, another e-mail from him landed in my e-inbox, and here (in part) it is:
Hi, Foxhelm. No, the spy rings of Cormyr aren't based on the Culper ring, or any American examples. As an Anglo Canadian of a certain age educated in Ontario, I received a decidedly-British-dominated classical educationm, and so was inspired by much older English and European (and ancient Roman) examples of rival spy rings created by royal and noble family members, instead.
Yes, there are many other private spy rings in the Realms, including for the Cormyr royals in the 4e era, but I can't say much about them here because I'll be writing about them elsewhere, in time to come. Which is about all I can say on these matters right now.
Hi, Dennis. Larloch has had several love interests, but all of this is NDA right now. (They could make a nice string of novels, and still might, though there's a small phantom library by now of Realms tales "we really should write some day" but never seem to get around to.)
See Guy Gavriel Kay's classic (and award-winning) novel TIGANA for one example of how such a love interest MIGHT be presented, after the fact. BTW, it and his A SONG FOR ARBONNE (both standalones, not sequels to each other) are "must reads" for any aficianado of fantasy.
So saith Ed. Who also tells me he's hard at work on multiple still-secret fantasy projects right now...including some Realms-related ones. Things for us all to look forward to...
love,
THO
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 19:03:07
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Kay bored me with his The Summer Tree, so I don't think I would ever be inclined to read anything else he wrote. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 19:28:33
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Your loss, Dennis.
I'm afraid with that approach you'll miss a LOT of good books.
I'm familiar with literally scores of active writers whose works vary widely from book to book. From Joyce Carol Oates to Paul Theroux (think he only writes travel books? his forthcoming book is fiction, a caper about locals robbing a bank) to many, many fantasy and sf writers.
Our own Ed, Dave Duncan, C.J. Cherryh, Michael Moorcock, Leland Modessitt, Julian May, and many, many more have written hard sf, soft sf, fantasy, horror, mysteries, and so on. Shifting their style of writing from book to book, not just the subject/content. Sometimes by choice, sometimes by editorial fiat.
To dismiss a writer after sampling one book, or trilogy, or series, is to miss a LOT (and end up with a severely distorted view of the field in general and specific writers in particular). Ask any librarian - - or writer.
love,
THO
P.S. If we assume most writers, and readers, are human, we must also assume, by definition, that their interests, tastes, and capabilities change over time (one of the reasons most people "follow a writer" they're interested in is to see what they'll do next). So stopping after a one-book sample is to assume a writer NEVER changed, or that your tastes as a reader never will.
Or to put it another way, what "bored" you then may not bore you five or ten years from now. Did you still avidly read the writers you enjoyed when you were eight years old? I don't. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 20:10:06
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Yes, there are many other private spy rings in the Realms, including for the Cormyr royals in the 4e era, but I can't say much about them here because I'll be writing about them elsewhere, in time to come. Which is about all I can say on these matters right now.
I would caution scribes to keep a sharp eye out in the coming months, where hints may be dropped in pending Realmslore. Maybe. We shall see, we shall. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 20:46:40
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Heh. Looking forward to it, indeed.
Back on page 36 of this thread, Eldacar asked some related questions about the Chosen and their culinary skills and preferences. Surprisingly, a comprehensive Ed-answer to this has been delayed by NDAs (!), but in his most recent e-mail he included a few lines by way of the most fragmentary of preliminary replies, as follows:
Eldacar, all of the Chosen have become at least "solid, decent" cooks, purely through the accumulated experience of living for centuries. Some have a flair for it but little time to enjoy cooking (Alustriel, Laeral), one has the time AND occasionally indulges herself (Storm), and some (Dove, Qilue, Alassra) enjoy good cooking when served it or when they have time and opportunity to do it, but are also happy eating raw or burnt meals, or things others might find disgusting (i.e. they value it as "necessary fuel" rather than an end in itself).
I can add this much: Dove loves roast moose (and to a lesser extent, venison if roasted in a wine bath so it doesn't get too dry), and Qilue has a weakness for a certain sort of glowworm found in the Underdark, eaten raw or dipped raw in particular rock salts, munched, then dipped again.
I'll bring you a proper reply when I can.
So saith Ed. Surprising us with culinary secrets of the Realms once more.
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 20:51:23
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Just a response to Dennis: The Summer Tree is book one oa trilogy, and it's Kay's very first book. He'd just finished helping edit The Silmarillion, and that trilogy is very Tolkienesque (plus King Arthur, plus three University of Toronto students plunged into a fantasy world).
Kay's writing has grown and changed a LOT since his first book.
Just sayin.'
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 21:21:17
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THO: "Or to put it another way, what "bored" you then may not bore you five or ten years from now. Did you still avidly read the writers you enjoyed when you were eight years old? I don't."
I doubt that. Besides, I wasn't eight when I read it. If there's any loss for me, that's the loss of precious time I wasted reading the said book.
Blueblade: "Just a response to Dennis: The Summer Tree is book one oa trilogy, and it's Kay's very first book. He'd just finished helping edit The Silmarillion, and that trilogy is very Tolkienesque (plus King Arthur, plus three University of Toronto students plunged into a fantasy world). Kay's writing has grown and changed a LOT since his first book."
Magician was Feist's first novel. It is not as polished as his later books, but it is great, and I love it. So is Rothfuss's The Name of the Wind; Weeks's The Way of Shadows, and many others. It doesn't matter if it's the author's first. What counts most is how well his book captivates the readers, among many other things. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 21:29:02
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| Tigana is on my "to read" list, curious to see what i think of it now |
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 21:34:02
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Hello Ed, any earthquakes occur in your homebrew/true test setting in faerun in 1370's that were damaging to anything of worth...broad question I know but hoping my carpet bombing un-earths something interesting.
Second question, are planar beings like the Yugoloths and devils restricted from creating/using higher than 9th lvl spells and are all/most extraplanar beings of arcane bent aware of Mystra's edict and is she able to enforce this on all beings...a maybe will suffice there if NDA.
Many of the novels and lore have devils being well versed in all manner of obscure lore and things magical, It appears that devas and solars and such hold vast hidden lore but are maybe not as concerned with all things secretive and arcane but definitely more divine-magic and in regards to their particular realm/deity, is this good assumption?
So with that asked, if YOUR adventurers had to call on a particular fiend and a particular angel to gain some very very obscure lore, who would those two polar opposites be and can you tell us anything about them?
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 21:37:26
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| Ed did you read The Worm Ouroborous or the Thomas Covenant trilogy's? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 22:06:06
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Hi again, all.
createvmind, I can tell you that Ed has read all of Eddison's published works, and all of Donaldson's to date. As have I.
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 22:09:10
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| One more thing, since things come in three's.......you wrote something when El foought devil Marane that makes me wonder is that something a witty player could deduce and get the results they sought. If a creature can resist electricity damage can this be bypassed by shooting them in mouth the way he did Marane or does this resistance encompass their entire being? Was this a special case, did the silver fire weaken her resistances/immunities briefly and her being semi-conscious make this a perfect scenario foe El to use wand in manner he did? Or is Ed just a really evil guy at heart when it comes to giving back some comeuppance..Ha? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 22:09:57
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TY Ed & THO for the fast reply.
I was hoping for something a bit deeper, something that hasn't been revealed before, but I fear I may just be applying my own hopes/tastes to the Torillian Genesis (and the greater D&D cosmology in-general). Something less matter-of-fact then portals/gates, something more... mysterious... I guess.
If you recall, in the MZB book, common folk were once able to travel to some of those places easily, but as time went on, 'the ways' were lost. I imagine a time long ago when walking to Faerūn was as simple as knowing the right path. I was picturing a cause-and effect - that The Realms are harder to reach because they are Forgotten.
And TY for adding two more novels to my 'must read' list. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Oct 2011 : 22:16:31
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Sorry, Dennis, but you persist in deliberately missing the points made to you. That DOES sound like the reaction of an eight-year-old.
Both Blueblade and I made the point that readers and writers change over time, and writing styles also change from book to book by design.
You countered that in not finishing part of the first book by one writer and not sampling the rest of the writer's output, your only loss was in the time you spent reading that unfinished book.
You then added that "what counts" is how well an author captivates. I agree. The problem is that I find certain books captivating that you find boring - but I don't confuse my preferences with absolutes that will hold true for all of us. You seem to.
Sorry to be so blunt, but when you're habitually that rude and dismissive when discussing fantasy literature (and the opinions of others), you provoke responses closer to your level. I could cite many examples, but that WOULD be boring. 
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