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althen artren
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USA
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Posted - 16 Aug 2011 :  01:40:17  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
How are the abilities of dieties from other world settings altered
when they travel on Faerun, at least before the spellplague?
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2011 :  10:02:57  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Tantam all

A question about Moonshaevian heraldry if I may.

A discussion from another scroll about the Heraldry of Callidyr
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15559

The heraldry is described as black banner emblazoned with a silver bear. Yet the Kendrick family heraldy is a wolfs head (as per Halls of the High King).

I was wondering why the capital did not use the heraldry of those who rule it?

And Ed can you share any more lore of Heraldry of the Moonshaes with the scribes in this hallowed hall?


Kind regards

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
Candlekeep Forum 7 May 2005
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Thieran
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Germany
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Posted - 16 Aug 2011 :  11:03:38  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message
Measured by RW heraldry, it would be unusual if a city had the same coats of arms as its rulers, and vice versa.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5041 Posts

Posted - 16 Aug 2011 :  15:26:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Damian, the silver bear on black banner is a "battle banner" or simplified badge used in battle (has to be simple, easily recognized from a distance, etc.). The blazon of Callidyr is, if I recall long-ago Realmsplay correctly, a castle keep [single tower]. The ruling family and other city-resident nobles, including the royal family, will all have their own blazons (AND simplified badges).
I'll see if
I can prod Ed into revealing more, but he's just shared some lore with Matt James (probably for an article Matt is writing).
love,
THO
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Kno
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Posted - 17 Aug 2011 :  10:20:54  Show Profile Send Kno a Private Message
what's the symbol and banner of Lantan?

z455t
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Kajehase
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Sweden
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Posted - 17 Aug 2011 :  12:01:50  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kno

what's the symbol and banner of Lantan?




A field of orange with a gold cross, in the top-left and bottom right quarters a smaller symbol of Gond, and in the top-right and lower-left quarters an exploding steam engine.

(And apparently my schoolboy French is not up for writing that up in proper heraldese after I've been up for about 24 hours.)

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 18 Aug 2011 :  16:03:20  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
I bring a reply from Ed to Dennis, re. this: "Hi Ed and THO! I was reviewing some posts in a certain thread when something occurred to me...
The phaerimm absorb magic, the Weave-based magic at least. But in the novel Sword Play, the magic storms, which were fueled by the Netherese's careless and relentless use of magic, caused deaths of several of the thornbacks. They should have been able to absorb the storm, right? In the first place, it's just a mass of magic. Or was there some material or essence in the storm that made it inedible and destructive to the phaerimm?"
Ed replies:


Hi, Dennis. The Phaerimm absorb magic consciously, not involuntarily (i.e. it's not automatic, and won't occur if they're "not ready" for it). Moreover, all Phaerimm have a maximum capacity, beyond which excess magic harms them, just as Shandril is/was harmed by excess spellfire. That's what happened in SWORD PLAY; individual goit overloaded so badly that the spillover magic was enough to slay them.


So saith Ed. Who is hard at work on more Realms delights for us all, he tells me...
love,
THO
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Dennis
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Posted - 19 Aug 2011 :  01:52:41  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

Thanks Ed and THO! That clears the confusion...

Every beginning has an end.
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Kno
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Posted - 19 Aug 2011 :  13:30:21  Show Profile Send Kno a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

quote:
Originally posted by Kno

what's the symbol and banner of Lantan?




A field of orange with a gold cross, in the top-left and bottom right quarters a smaller symbol of Gond, and in the top-right and lower-left quarters an exploding steam engine.

(And apparently my schoolboy French is not up for writing that up in proper heraldese after I've been up for about 24 hours.)



I like that colors and symbols, how would you draw the steam engine sign?

z455t
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Kajehase
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Sweden
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Posted - 19 Aug 2011 :  14:31:09  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kno

I like that colors and symbols, how would you draw the steam engine sign?



[not helpful]Very, very badly[/not helpful]

But if I were to give it a go, I'd look at how the first steam trains looked like. A large cylinder (even I could draw that), some wheels connected by a bar, and a pipe or two sticking out of the cylinder with smoke coming out of it. All of this done as stylised as possible, since we're talking a symbol and not a painting.

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 19 Aug 2011 :  16:24:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
From my notes (which came from Ed), these exploding engines are described thus:

Ball (cloud) of steam with leaning smokestack protruding out of it on upper right, pistons and their linkages flying apart and out of it lower left and center left, pinwheel of flames in the center of the cloud.

love,
THO
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Blueblade
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Posted - 19 Aug 2011 :  20:38:33  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Ed, will you be at FanExpo this year?
(All interested scribes near Toronto, I'm referring to the massive comics/sf/Trek/Star Wars/TV & movie/LARPing/gaming, online and computer gaming convention held at the Metro Convention Centre downtown by the CN Tower, South Building this year, Thursday Aug 25 through Sunday Aug 28th.)
BB
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Kajehase
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Sweden
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Posted - 19 Aug 2011 :  21:00:03  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

From my notes (which came from Ed), these exploding engines are described thus:

Ball (cloud) of steam with leaning smokestack protruding out of it on upper right, pistons and their linkages flying apart and out of it lower left and center left, pinwheel of flames in the center of the cloud.

love,
THO



But... but... I just made that up!! *looks around suspiciously*

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 19 Aug 2011 :  21:19:47  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. The exploding steam machines are a long-standing Lantanna motif in the Realms. It has to do with Gond inspiring mortals, but mortal strivings being imperfect.
You're channeling the Realms deep and true, good Kajehase.


. . . and I actually logged on to bring Blueblade a reply re. FanExpo, from Ed:

Yes, I'll be appearing at FanExpo Friday and Saturday this year.
Friday 4 pm, Room 715B: DM Master Class: At The Knees of the Masters: veteran game mastering tips from Robin Laws, me, and (I think) Chatty DM
Friday 5 pm, Autograph Area: autograph session (me)
Saturday 3 pm, Room 715B: Fantastic Worlds & How To Get There: a fantasy writing panel with Robin and me again, Violette Malan, Lesley Livingston, and Robert Paul Weston
. . . plus, possibly, some other panels still in the works right now.
See you there!


So saith Ed. Whose next con appearances after that will be Phantasm in Peterborough (Sept 24-25th) and SFContario in Toronto in November.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 :  02:10:34  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Update to the above: Ed (and Robin) are on another FanExpo gaming panel, on board game design, time and place not yet set.

Ed mentioned I might want to consult my old notes about a Realms NPC named Laerikyn, possibly both a rogue and mage (we Knights never learned), but hasn't told me why. Hmmm. . .
love to all,
THO
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Kno
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 :  12:01:36  Show Profile Send Kno a Private Message
Thanks very much Kajehase and THO, do you know the symbol of Halruaa?

z455t
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 :  14:50:45  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, Kno. The airship badge (i.e. simplified blazon painted on airships) I have in my notes is: oval shield, sky blue background, on it three silver stars joined by a silver ribbon in the shape of a horseshoe, curve up; center star, highest (on the "top" of the ribbon's arc), is twice as big as the two flanking stars (at the ends of the ribbon/ebds of the horseshoe).
So this might be Halruaa's "battle badge," or might denote only its aerial navy, or...?
love,
THO
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Blueblade
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USA
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 :  22:20:24  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
The star denoting magic/Mystra?
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Kajehase
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Sweden
2104 Posts

Posted - 21 Aug 2011 :  00:27:43  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, Kno. The airship badge (i.e. simplified blazon painted on airships) I have in my notes is: oval shield, sky blue background, on it three silver stars joined by a silver ribbon in the shape of a horseshoe, curve up; center star, highest (on the "top" of the ribbon's arc), is twice as big as the two flanking stars (at the ends of the ribbon/ebds of the horseshoe).
So this might be Halruaa's "battle badge," or might denote only its aerial navy, or...?
love,
THO



Now, why don't I ever have a working scanner when I need one?

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett
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Kno
Senior Scribe

452 Posts

Posted - 21 Aug 2011 :  16:10:57  Show Profile Send Kno a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, Kno. The airship badge (i.e. simplified blazon painted on airships) I have in my notes is: oval shield, sky blue background, on it three silver stars joined by a silver ribbon in the shape of a horseshoe, curve up; center star, highest (on the "top" of the ribbon's arc), is twice as big as the two flanking stars (at the ends of the ribbon/ebds of the horseshoe).
So this might be Halruaa's "battle badge," or might denote only its aerial navy, or...?
love,
THO



That's even better THO because the campaign is about the spelljammer invasion >-)

z455t
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 22 Aug 2011 :  02:57:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Good!
Yes, Blueblade, the stars denote Mystra/Mystryl.
love,
THO
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2011 :  13:43:47  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Hello Ed

A question (or two) about Elminster's business (calling) card if I may?

In the middle of the card are the letters J & C with a horizontal crosspiece that makes the J into a 'fancy' T or F. All are combined into one symbol, so is this a wizard mark of El's?

Did El name the lane on which he lives himself, or did the good folk of Shadowdale name it for him?

Inquiring minds etc

Cheers

Damian

p.s. Was very interesting to see how El sees himself: Sage Wizard Harper Meddler

p.p.s. for those who think I am babbling on stupidly the card is here http://grognardia.blogspot.com

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Edited by - crazedventurers on 22 Aug 2011 13:46:53
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5041 Posts

Posted - 22 Aug 2011 :  15:48:16  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, Damian!
Ed will have to interpret the symbol/rune on the card for you, but I can answer your second question: the folk of Shadowdale named the little flagstone footpath that leads from the caravan road (the Northride) to Elminster's Tower. It was originally a jesting name bestowed incredulously by locals who'd wandered out of the Old Skull with tankards in hand to gawk at the sight of six heralds (not High Heralds, but court envoys from Cormyr, Hillsfar, various Sembian cities, and elsewhere) lined up to get to speak to Elminster (as a sage; they wanted his "definitive" opinion on disentangling inheritance disputes regarding the lands held by a probably extinct noble family, the Halnsors, in all of their various territories) . . . but later the folk of Shadowdale became quite proud of it. The path is a "lane" only in the most generous use of the term.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 22 Aug 2011 :  16:13:37  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
. . . And here's a swift reply from Ed, who was sitting at his keyboard this fair morn, when my e-mail landed in his lap (er, no, I guess it flashed before his eyeballs; it's ME who seeks to land in his lap):

Hi Damian! That is indeed one of El's wizard marks, little used these days in favor of later, more powerful ones (it's not, and has never been, his sigil). It actually combines several letters: "e" for Elminster, "j" for Jannathra (a word of incantation that could be translated "X [in this case Elminster] does this" or "X has spoken" or "X makes it so"), "t" for Tannaeth (a word of incantation meaning "sealing" or "bound to" or "marked as belonging to" or "the work of" [so this latter meaning has meant that you'll sometimes see pots and other handcrafted items of the Realms marked on the base with "Tannaeth" and then a name or personal symbol, the item and the maker having nothing to do with magic at all), and "c" for Cahlethra (a non-Art word meaning "done with good intentions" or "done to true purpose" or "done as the god wills" or "this represents a noble cause" or the like). Obviously, all of the letters are overlapped into the symbol you see, and in the past (DR 1200s and earlier) Elminster did do so with incantations to make this a wizard mark that anchored many wards, alarm- and identification-spells, and similar magics. By the 1300s, it served him as a recognition-rune that gave others no power over him at all. By the way: the Weave enables all Chosen, plus Mystra and Azuth, to be instantly aware when someone who is not Elminster draws this sign while in any location the Weave reaches (they learn the locale, the someone, and a glimpse of the intent and the nature of any magic involved). Hope this helps.


So saith Ed. Creator of El and the whole shebang. BTW, Ed has been giving out those cards (often to people who come to one of his autographing sessions with nothing to sign) at conventions for more than a decade, now.
love,
THO
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Lady Shadowflame
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Posted - 22 Aug 2011 :  16:41:58  Show Profile Send Lady Shadowflame a Private Message
Extra questions for Ed - not drow this time, wonder of wonders.

Thaerefoil. I've only seen it in the one Knights of Myth Drannor novel.

Its effects are pretty clearly stated (the Anti-Viagra of the Realms!); what I'm curious about are things like how it smells and tastes, and whether or not it can be introduced to someone's food or drink without them realising.
Does it only grow in that forest, or in other places in the Realms as well? What does it look like?
Also, does it work on women too as far as dulling the libido? If not, is there one that does? (And any details of that one, perhaps...)

I'm making a guess at its usual uses, but I'd appreciate being enlightened on whether I'm right or if there are other common ones:
  • Feeding to one's animals, to prevent impromptu breeding (and to avoid an undignified death when one's mighty stallion scents a mare and breaks formation to chase her).
  • Religiously inclined folks using a little bit of a 'helper' to maintain a vow of chastity.
  • Unhappily married wives slipping it to their husbands to avoid marital demands.


And finally... Florin says he hadn't gathered the leaves with the whole 'prolonged exposure to noblewoman' thing in mind. What, then, did he want them for?

Save a lizard... Ride a drow.

Edited by - Lady Shadowflame on 22 Aug 2011 16:43:50
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