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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 11:47:05
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I've still got thousands of them sitting in stacks around here. Even some of the older 5-and-a-quarter-inch disks [and a few cassette tapes as well, for an archaic Commodore 64 tape drive].
I trust that the SageChive has backed all those up. Cos they really don't last forever. 
SageChive? I like it. 
And yes, the majority have been converted to SageOS-applicable format. Though I've got some old G. I. Joe dossiers [you know the ones that came with the action figures in the 80's and early 90's] in Microsoft Works ver 1.1 that are resistant to all the current conversion methods I've employed so far.
Print them and scan them, then do the OCR thing and put that into a new format. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 13:34:29
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Print them and scan them, then do the OCR thing and put that into a new format.
I'd like to consider that as an option, but I've yet to load the proper routines for using OCR into SageOS, so... It's on my "To-Do" list though. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 15:55:56
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Off the top of my head, the one range is known as 'The White Peaks' (it is on one canon map that I found). The other - that tiny range to the west of The Citadel of the Raven (IIRC) are actually three very large mountains surrounded by smaller hills, and there are canon names for all three - I believe I got that from either Ed's '04 or '06 responses.
I'm far from home right now (Kentucky), so I'm not near any sources, but I have the exact names for all three written down on my main North Map, and can provide them in about a week if you can't (or don't want to) find them in Ed's thread.
There is also that one lonely mountain, between the Anauroch and Great Glacier in the far north, that almost looks like an eyeball (on the map, not in RL) that has a very long name, which appears on several older maps, and IIRC, Ed (or THO) provided some tiny bit of lore about some Flinds living there. Can't recall the name of that one either, but that one is fairly easy to find in sources.
The ranges all around the Great Glacier are named in the source of that same name.
Edit: And I still have floppys, and I had a comp with a tape-drive long ago - a TSR80.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 00:16:16
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Print them and scan them, then do the OCR thing and put that into a new format.
I'd like to consider that as an option, but I've yet to load the proper routines for using OCR into SageOS, so... It's on my "To-Do" list though.
You could always find another computer... I'm sure there's more than one computer in Australia! |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 01:21:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Print them and scan them, then do the OCR thing and put that into a new format.
I'd like to consider that as an option, but I've yet to load the proper routines for using OCR into SageOS, so... It's on my "To-Do" list though.
You could always find another computer... I'm sure there's more than one computer in Australia!
Well, the problem with that approach, is that I'm still have the same issues when I brought the OCR'd material home. They won't work on a SageOS-built computer. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 05:06:37
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Originally posted by Markustay
Off the top of my head, the one range is known as 'The White Peaks' (it is on one canon map that I found). The other - that tiny range to the west of The Citadel of the Raven (IIRC) are actually three very large mountains surrounded by smaller hills, and there are canon names for all three - I believe I got that from either Ed's '04 or '06 responses.
I'm far from home right now (Kentucky), so I'm not near any sources, but I have the exact names for all three written down on my main North Map, and can provide them in about a week if you can't (or don't want to) find them in Ed's thread.
There is also that one lonely mountain, between the Anauroch and Great Glacier in the far north, that almost looks like an eyeball (on the map, not in RL) that has a very long name, which appears on several older maps, and IIRC, Ed (or THO) provided some tiny bit of lore about some Flinds living there. Can't recall the name of that one either, but that one is fairly easy to find in sources.
The ranges all around the Great Glacier are named in the source of that same name.
Edit: And I still have floppys, and I had a comp with a tape-drive long ago - a TSR80.
I'm still having trouble finding the name of the mountains...will you post them when you have time? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 05:16:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Print them and scan them, then do the OCR thing and put that into a new format.
I'd like to consider that as an option, but I've yet to load the proper routines for using OCR into SageOS, so... It's on my "To-Do" list though.
You could always find another computer... I'm sure there's more than one computer in Australia!
Well, the problem with that approach, is that I'm still have the same issues when I brought the OCR'd material home. They won't work on a SageOS-built computer.
You can't put the OCR'd stuff in a simple text file or SageDoc? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 06:26:50
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You can't put the OCR'd stuff in a simple text file or SageDoc?
Hmmm. SageDoc might work, especially if I use the older OCR software.
I'll give that a whirl.  |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 06:16:08
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| Well, I still can't find the names for the mountains...and I've been digging through a wide variety of threads...It is just hard to do a search function for the word "Mountains" and "Ride" I guess. |
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 21:44:02
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I should probably clarify what I mean by "tons"...it is more a vague reference here or there that then brings me into feeling I need to research more fully things such as the Barbarians of the Netherese era, the lands of Vaasa, Damara, the Great Glacier and so on...
There always seems to be a hint of something in one place or another that gets me plugged into a whole slew of other topics that I feel I have to slough off before I can move on...like I have to make sure I'm not missing anything.
DD, you just let me know what information you need from the emboldened areas above (perhaps a new thread though) |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 22:16:49
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I have one question for you here Coach:
Is there any hint that the barbarians of The Ride carry on any trade with the lands of Vaasa...or at least its inhabitants if not its leadership? |
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 16:28:34
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| Be sure to check out Monument of the Ancients for additional lore on The Ride and its inhabitants. Two of the nomadic tribes are described therein: the Vaegould and the Varm. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 16:45:21
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| Brian...ye have piqued my interest too many times. If for no other reason than your writing, I may sign onto DDI for at least a month for some reading! |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 01:55:29
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I'm putting out one final request for any and all information that you guys can give me...I've been writing all day; and I'm not sure what, if any, of my material is actually going to be used in the final draft of "The Ride" that I'm working on...
I still can't find the names of the dang mountains! Grrrr....
Any and all information, no matter how insignificant you may believe, is more than welcome!
I'm going in for a surgery tmr...and I'm going to be out of commission for a few days...which means I get to read and write a LOT...
So, I hope I get tons from you guys!
dalor_darden@yahoo.com
Thanks! |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 05:12:48
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Ok...
BATTER UP!
I'm looking for someone to make me a map!
I need a CLEAN map with no locations, roads and etc...ONLY land forms and such.
ALSO...I need this bad boy to refer ONLY to first edition sources as far as what the lay of the land is like.
Anyone interested? PM for my offer. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 14:06:42
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Markustay
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 20:31:44
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Info HERE.
Scroll down to THO's July 7th Reply.
Map HERE.
That is taken from an old version of my world map - the last I was working on before deciding to re-do the whole thing yet again. What are you looking for in a 'The Ride' map?
I can't remember which canon map the 'White Peaks' appeared on - its rather obscure IIRC - but I believe it is on the updated version of the FRIA (I only have the un-patched version, but I've been told it was added in the updates). I'm also only guessing at the location of Forharn, for the same reason (its not in the original release). |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 22:32:57
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I can't believe I missed that from THO...I read through that entire thread I thought...perhaps that is what I get for reading through the lenses of a man who has consumed too much Mountain Dew...I just didn't register it!
As for "The Ride" I'm looking for a 1st Edition style map that has no labels on it...BUT
I'm kinda stuck...I am hoping for one that shows the greater expanses of land...and yet I'll also need coastal borders to the north; but I know that no such map exists. 
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Markustay
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 23:24:49
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THIS is the 1e map of that region, and that is as far north as it goes, and there is NO 'coast' in the Ride, or anywhere north of it (in the Tortured lands). The nearest coast is the Moonsea.
WAY north, across massive ice-plains, there is a 'coast', but that is certainly no longer considered the Ride, or even Faerun-proper for that matter.
The Ride is pretty-much just empty plains of scrub-grass. We 'could' fudge things, as we did with Ixinos, if you let me know what you had in mind. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 23:29:36
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THIS is the 1e map of that region, and that is as far north as it goes, and there is NO 'coast' in the Ride, or anywhere north of it (in the Tortured lands). The nearest coast is the Moonsea.
WAY north, across a massive ice-plains, there is a 'coast', but that is certainly no longer considered the Ride, or even Faerun-proper for that matter.
Aye...that is the map I have from the first FR box set.
As for the coast...aye, it is far to the north...but at one time before Ulutiu (sp?) "went under" there was no Great Glacier. It was about -28,000 DR I'm talking here...
Ostoria once ruled it all...and wasn't pushed out of the area of the Ride until the 1,000 year war which resulted in them losing "The Ride" area as one of their holdings to the Dragons c. -25,000 DR.
I'm trying to find a rough feeling for what the land looked like BEFORE the glacier...and perhaps what sorts of realms could have existed there that are now buried beneath the Ice!
I know that the "Fallen Kingdom of Barze" is in the area; but that wouldn't have been the only kingdom there... |
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Aug 2010 : 01:54:48
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'Fallen Kingdom of Barze' 
Sounds like something the dwarves would have built - the ones who prefer brewing to smithing.
Anyhow, there are a couple of ancient maps in the GHotR, but I don't know if it shows the glacier. You are right though - there was a sea there at one time - both The Great Glacier and Giantcraft say that Ulutiu 'sank' and the waters froze around him.
I'll see what I can come up with - obviously you are looking for a historic map, which is all the more 'fudgable'. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 07 Aug 2010 : 03:05:50
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'Fallen Kingdom of Barze'
Sounds like something the dwarves would have built - the ones who prefer brewing to smithing.
Anyhow, there are a couple of ancient maps in the GHotR, but I don't know if it shows the glacier. You are right though - there was a sea there at one time - both The Great Glacier and Giantcraft say that Ulutiu 'sank' and the waters froze around him.
I'll see what I can come up with - obviously you are looking for a historic map, which is all the more 'fudgable'.
I was just taking notes from Giantcraft and noted that Ulutiu sank beneath a sea...like you say...but is it the Endless Sea...or one that is now beneath the Great Glacier?
I've looked at all the reference maps in TGHotR...and I can't find a map that shows a sea where now is the Great Glacier...
The map on page 6 shows a glacier already to the north of where the Jotunbrud Tribes are.
The map on pages 44-45 shows the massive glacier covering Vaasa and Damara...but The Ride and the Tortured Lands are free of ice for some reason... |
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Aug 2010 : 03:48:13
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I've noted that many of FR's cartographers over the years, when doing historic maps, or even when doing the new 4e FR ones, FAIL to take into account any chages what-so-ever.
I am sure they are not privy to all the oodles of Realmslore we are, and are not giving much background for them, so they just follow the 'current' versions when they do theirs.
I'm not saying they are exactly like the modern FR maps, but the changes are not nearly as dramatic as they ought to be. I have found evidence that the Swordcoast itself has changed dramatically just in the last few centuries, and many lands and island chains were lost - none of which show up on any maps.
It is like the fact that the source material says the coastlines all changed in 4e, and yet the maps that accompany articles do NOT take that into account at all (and leave coastal cities still as coastal cities). Or the fact that the maps of ancient Imaskar fail to take into account any of the Desert of Desolation material. Some day I'll get around to doing an accurate Imaskari Empire map.
Anyhow, the Glacial shelf existed to the far north, and then Ulutiu (sp?) sank and a second glacier formed, and as it grew, it connected to the one to the north. Only problem is, the whole thing makes more sense if the Glacier above Anoroch was the one Ulutiu sank in, when you take into account the placement of Hartsvale. There is also the Reghed glacier above and to the east of ten Towns - both that one and the Anauroch one are anomalies, unless the Cold created by The Great Glacier altered the climate enough to bring the arctic circle lower. I can only assume that they were also both bodies of water that froze (which probably fits the canon of Netheril anyway).
Toril is odd in that it has open water ABOVE the ice cap (the only incorrect thing about Karen Fonstad's maps). Along with the necklace Ulutiu wore, I would go out on a limb and say the elevation all along northern Faerun is quite high, in order to explain the oddly placed glaciers. Someone once figured that Toril had a smaller axial tilt then earth, which makes no sense to me - the lack of ice at the poles indicates a greater axial tilt, IMHO. The temperature along the equator is also milder - another good indicator.
Unfortunately, most of FR's more extreme geography has to be chalked-up to the ever-popular 'its magic' explanation.
The other problem comes in when you read the Thar source and some others regarding the Moonsea region - humans were there apparently long before the current wave of them were, and seem to have been wiped-out at least once, and then the area re-settled yet again.
We would also need to know what the Moonsea looked like before it was formed, supposedly by yet-another 'tear-fall'. I would guess that it, too, was part of the northern glacier at one point, and that the meteor (or whatever) vaporized much of the water and caused that region to de-freeze earlier then the rest. The Anauroch Glacier is a bit of problem in that regard as well - if it is indeed the frozen remains of Netheril's Narrow Sea, then why did it freeze? Netheril fell long after Ulutiu's necklace stopped 'doing its thing', so why did it get so cold? Were there Netherease magics to make the region artificially warm, that failed after the fall? Not a good explanation, really, when you consider they settled around the sea BEFORE they had magic (but the sea was moved, so that could be fudged as well).
Hmmmm... The Netherease needed to divert the sea, but the north was too cold, so they built some sort of massive device/artifact that warmed the entire region for hundreds of miles around. They then diverted the sea, which worked out fine, until Karsus cast his spell, and the giant Faerun-warmer went on the fritz.
Didn't the Archwizards try to re-melt that sea? We also have the abnormal warming around Hotenow, and there is some indication of something similar happening in the east. Hmmmm... maybe the Netherese didn't create the warming devices... maybe it was something MUCH older...
Maybe the Pyramids of Ascore have something to do with that... I would think climate-changing magic would reguire something the size of a pyramid. Perhaps the Netherease merely learned how to turn them on and off... which could be what they were doing in the beginning when they returned to Toril.
I'm starting to weave more connections together for primordial Abeir-Toril, but I doubt most of these musing are of any help to you - sorry.  |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 00:40:43
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Originally posted by Markustay
THIS is the 1e map of that region, and that is as far north as it goes, and there is NO 'coast' in the Ride, or anywhere north of it (in the Tortured lands). The nearest coast is the Moonsea.
WAY north, across massive ice-plains, there is a 'coast', but that is certainly no longer considered the Ride, or even Faerun-proper for that matter.
The Ride is pretty-much just empty plains of scrub-grass. We 'could' fudge things, as we did with Ixinos, if you let me know what you had in mind.
Well, we won't really need to "fudge" anything...because we won't be really going against anything that has ever been printed! LOL
However, the new "Monument of the Ancients" adventure map shows Mounts Ombaddor, Launt and Horgrymborr as all being adjacent to Mount Tesh in the Dragonspines!
Not only that, but Camnod's Cairn is now listed as the mountains that we were previously talking about being in the middle of the Ride...
Whatcha think about that? |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 00:48:52
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| I may be missing something obvious...but does "Varm" = "The Ride" or what? I'm horribly confused on this... |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 06:05:39
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And Dalor, I'll take a look through my reference notebooks this evening to see whether I can find anything worth sending your way.
Bump...nudge... |
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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 07:04:07
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
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Originally posted by The Sage
And Dalor, I'll take a look through my reference notebooks this evening to see whether I can find anything worth sending your way.
Bump...nudge...
Whoops! Forgot about that Dalor. Sorry. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 07:21:22
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
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Originally posted by The Sage
And Dalor, I'll take a look through my reference notebooks this evening to see whether I can find anything worth sending your way.
Bump...nudge...
Whoops! Forgot about that Dalor. Sorry.
Hehe...its truly no great hurry; but I knew that the "To Do" list is sort of like a psychic vampire on your memory; so... |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 16:57:09
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I may be missing something obvious...but does "Varm" = "The Ride" or what? I'm horribly confused on this...
Answered my own question now I believe: the Varm are a tribe. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 05:02:56
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Markustay!
There WAS a different coast. I found it in the 2e book Giantcraft. The sea that Ulutiu sank into was called the Ice Sea...imagine that!
I'm guessing that it was in the area of Alpuk...and also there is most likely the remains of the fabled Titan Capital in the area as well.
This book is getting better and better... |
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