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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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 Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 11:59:42
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Originally posted by Sylrae
I'd like to write an in-depth article about new Myth Drannor, following it's reclamation in 1374, up until 1390 or so. I'd like to present it as a city book, like how paizo writes it's books on cities, but include notes in each section as to what changes after major events happen and include dates, and close-ups on some of the more prominent people who would be in the city. I'd need information on how to deal with characters who originally appear in a novel, because there are some novel characters who move to the city after it is reclaimed, who are powerful enough that they need to be noted. Such as the ruler Ilsevele Miritar, Fflar, Araevin Teshurr (until he finishes the mythal), Seldzsar Elpragh and his son. Sshamath's College of Divination, and College of Ancient Arcana relocate to new MD (I believe it's new MD, correct me if I'm wrong).
Two of Sshamath's colleges move to the city of surface elves?! |
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 20:54:40
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After their masters revert to being Dark elves, yeah. See what I mean? Very unexpected things happened near the end of 3e, and I'd like to explore those. It's a little vague at the end of the book where they are going.
They say the City of Hope. That could be referring to Myth Drannor, or it could be referring to the city that Khelben blackstaff rebuilt in miyeritar that he coined the secret city of hope. I'm guessing they are less likely to know about the latter. The former is also a great elven city. I read it to mean they were going to Myth Drannor. Of course, the leaders of these two colleges were the two most powerful mages of the small group that used high magic to reverse the descent. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 21:15:38
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You know, unless we all have access to everything that the LFR have done in the past 2yrs, I think we may have a problem.
How do we know if we are over-writing canon? 
Do we have someone here affiliated with the LFR? I remember at least one member was one of the regional guys. That would go a long way in helping us keep some of this within the boundaries set by that group.
And the Myth Drannor post got me thinking about this - that is way to big a piece of canon to go mucking with willy-nilly... I think to stay safe we'd have to concentrate on small, obscure bits of lore and detail them. Think about it - you don't think there is a huge amount of canon info abut 4e Cormanthor that we aren't privy to? At this point, a Compendium is likely to go off in a direction none of the previous ones have - into the zone of 'alternate history', and that's a bad thing.
Personally, I think a Compendium dedicated solely to the 'transition period' would go along way toward mending the community - like Mr. Misc's idea of explaining the new magical traditions. Just creating lore for one era or the other is not going to help us at all. In that, I can agree with Sylrae's timeframe, if not the subject matter.
Besides, I think we should get some sort of official approval of what we can and can't cover, perhaps at the very least from the LFR guys (who can now give us THEIR permission without going to WotC!)
Hmmm... thats not a half-bad idea... roll the Compendium into the new, INDEPENDENT LFR... |
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 21:28:18
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I have a friend who runs LFR. He doesn't frequent these boards though, you want me to get in contact him and see what sort of info he can give me?
As to the material I'd be wanting to cover. I wouldn't want to include statblocks anyways. It would be an overview of the city during that time, detailing stuff about religions, talking about prominent members of the community, and covering 'what happened here leading up to the end of the spellplague (which I think may actually be 1395DR).' I'd make maps and possibly detail artwork of some of the more important people, and whatnot. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 21:44:11
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Right - whoever is responsible for Cormanthor in the LFR should have some sort of outline as to what happened, and I would think it best to work within that.
And I reiterate - I think it would be a great idea to get the LFR team on board with us (despite the obvious edition preferences some of us have). Since their work is unofficial, BUT given permission to use the IP (See where I'm going?), I think that would be the SAFEST plan of action for CK to take. |
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Sylrae
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 00:29:12
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Good to know Sylrae, thank you.  |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 01:50:55
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Originally posted by Markustay
Do we have someone here affiliated with the LFR? I remember at least one member was one of the regional guys. That would go a long way in helping us keep some of this within the boundaries set by that group.
Isn't gomez affiliated with it? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 02:31:27
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By George (Krashos)!
I think you're right! 
We NEED to get him onboard and figure out how we can 'blend in' with the crowd.
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 08:21:34
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I like the idea of getting involved with the LFR people.
They stop being WoTC approved (Currently WotC staff go over everything they put out and approve it all and make it canon) at the end of the 3rd quarter (or maybe the beginning of the third quarter, ill have to go back and check my chat history). At that point, the number of regions is being largely decreased, the whole LFR project is gonna shrink, and be all unofficial, the modules won't be paid for, published, or get the WotC stamp of approval anymore, and they'll be less official than us (as Ed often comes here. :P) But they'll have the go ahead to use the FR license.
Think my section would be suitable for the compendium? or should I just make it separate.
Obviously anything we make shouldn't contradict canon. There isn't much to look out for though. Cormanthor isn't an LFR region, and I plan on contacting the Cormyr and Dalelands people to make sure I dont contradict any single modules they ran in the area.
Edit: Double checked. End of 3rd. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 04:58:52
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Probably END of 3rd quarter - they are not going to piss-off the guys running their games just before Gencon.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 07:46:13
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by Markustay
Do we have someone here affiliated with the LFR? I remember at least one member was one of the regional guys. That would go a long way in helping us keep some of this within the boundaries set by that group.
Isn't gomez affiliated with it?
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Brimstone
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 07:48:02
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Originally posted by Zireael
quote:
Originally posted by Sylrae
I'd like to write an in-depth article about new Myth Drannor, following it's reclamation in 1374, up until 1390 or so. I'd like to present it as a city book, like how paizo writes it's books on cities, but include notes in each section as to what changes after major events happen and include dates, and close-ups on some of the more prominent people who would be in the city. I'd need information on how to deal with characters who originally appear in a novel, because there are some novel characters who move to the city after it is reclaimed, who are powerful enough that they need to be noted. Such as the ruler Ilsevele Miritar, Fflar, Araevin Teshurr (until he finishes the mythal), Seldzsar Elpragh and his son. Sshamath's College of Divination, and College of Ancient Arcana relocate to new MD (I believe it's new MD, correct me if I'm wrong).
Two of Sshamath's colleges move to the city of surface elves?!
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Sylrae
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 20:03:55
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Thus my suggestion that we stay away from areas that authors & designers are obviously interested in. 'Big Ticket' places like Myth Drannor should be off-limits, because the lore for them is spread all over the place, and very few of us (myself included) have done the required research for such a project .
For instance, I found a tiny little scrap of FR lore in a Spelljammer product that was based in Greyspace (Greyhawk) - two settings that have almost nothing to do with FR (directly). The more important the region you want to write-about, the more information you will find scattered all over the place.
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He does the Dales...
ALL of them? 
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
313 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 07:32:36
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If I'm going to do a piece on Myth Drannor, or anything else that's god interesting tidbits on it, I'm going to do the research.
If anyone can point me in the right direction when I have questions, that'll save me time, but I can do the research on my own as well. That includes everything from Dragon, to novels, to modules, to rpg supplements. Hell, I'll probably even read up on the videogames. |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
738 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 07:40:07
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| On second thoughts, regardless of IP issues and fansite policies (or lack thereof) and the like, count me in for a “fun” piece. Wizards are welcome to attribute to themselves whatever I write about the “Not the Neverwinter Nine” adventuring party. |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
294 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 08:32:29
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| I'm working on lore regarding the edicts of Azoun V, regarding common law. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 08:50:25
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I've got a focus and potential topic for my music article.
I was intentionally going to follow on from what I'd written in my proposed DRAGON submission. But the creative bug has bitten very hard, and I'm now working from an entirely new angle. |
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Alisttair
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Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 13:29:26
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| Yeah with what I have I am ready to take the risk that Wizards snatches what I made. The risk is worth taking IMO. |
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BlackAce
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United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 20:46:07
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| I'm still in the early stages of organizing my notes for my Oghman temple complex idea. basically I'm writting up an, well Oghman Temple Complex. I'm planning on giving it a full detailed history and layout but hopefully leaving it generic enough that people can use it anywhere, rather than getting into the murky waters of tying it to an actual location. |
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xaviera
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Canada
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 08:07:45
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So... any comments on submission procedures and document formatting?
Seconded. I'd like to know how much time I have (and more importantly how much time I must take away from my 'Realmspeak' research) before the 3.75E Compendium 'ships'. Yeah, I know, it's gonna be edition neutral. The "3.75E" was a little joke about the "bridging" content it will contain. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 10:45:52
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Originally posted by Kyrene
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Originally posted by xaviera
So... any comments on submission procedures and document formatting?
Seconded. I'd like to know how much time I have (and more importantly how much time I must take away from my 'Realmspeak' research) before the 3.75E Compendium 'ships'. Yeah, I know, it's gonna be edition neutral. The "3.75E" was a little joke about the "bridging" content it will contain.
And thirded. Can't wait to translate my Namarra/Aribeth de Tylmarande stuff... |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 13:37:16
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Originally posted by Zireael
Can't wait to translate my Namarra/Aribeth de Tylmarande stuff...
 Aribeth!  I can't wait for your take on her. Let me know if you want to swap out ideas about her rise and fall in Neverwinter. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 21:16:55
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
There was an interesting tid-bit in Cormanthor: Empire of Elves that got my wheels turning. A couple of them, actually. One was the dragon oddity of Garnetesellar, and the other is what happened after Josediah Starym went down into the Twisted Tower after the Warrior's Blade. Neither has been written on, so far as I know (please let me know if I'm wrong) and I'd LOVE to do a piece on one or both stories. Would that be doable?
Does anyone know if either of these has been done before? I'm very interested in the lore of these two. For one, I'd like to do a piece on the history of that peculiar dragon. Does anyone know of source material about him other than the Cormanthyr book? And the same question goes for Starym and his quest to get the Soldeir's Blade back. (This one I'm particularly interested in because it ties into one of my fave NPC's, a certain drow ranger who ended up with Josediah's panther figurine...) I'd like to know if there is anything on either of these in the novels or other sourcebooks. the only thing I can find on Josediah is the short story in Realms of Magic. Thanks for any input on this. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 21:35:55
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
I'm working on lore regarding the edicts of Azoun V, regarding common law.
The article I am doing (which isn't the same one I started doing) contains two points of Cormyrian Law, one old (and canon), and the other an edict made by Azoun IV directly following the Tuigan War.
I just thought we may want to confer to avoid any disagreements. My new law is more of a clarification, but it did have major impact on certain things.
Then again, Azoun V may have changed it back, and he may have even had good reason to. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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sfdragon
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 22:55:23
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Originally posted by Sylrae
If I'm going to do a piece on Myth Drannor, or anything else that's god interesting tidbits on it, I'm going to do the research.
If anyone can point me in the right direction when I have questions, that'll save me time, but I can do the research on my own as well. That includes everything from Dragon, to novels, to modules, to rpg supplements. Hell, I'll probably even read up on the videogames.
the dragon magazines, not going to be much help with, as the only one I have on it is placedaway with npcs in it were npcs from the novel that went with the second pool of raidiance game.
but novel wise
Poof of Radiance: Ruins of Mythdrannor
the Last Gate Trilogy by Richard Baker
Elminster in Myth Drannor
splat or adventure
Cormanthyr: Empire of elves
Pool of Radiance II: what ever its name was
Fall of Myth Drannor
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Hawkins
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 23:19:07
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| I haven't had the chance to read them yet, but I think Ed's Knights of Myth Drannor trilogy might be useful as well. |
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