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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  05:08:39  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message
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Originally posted by Kentinal

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Originally posted by The Sage

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Originally posted by dennis

1.Is Mystra's Ban permanent, existing even though she's destroyed?
Hmmm. I seem to recall this being "officially" answered *somewhere* -- though maybe not by Ed.

I'll check my own archives.



Oh this is a fun one that had some discussion in the past, even on the Boards not to be mentioned.

In many ways the ban no longer existed because of Epic magic introduced in 3rd Edition. There was no spell higher then 9th level, however High Elven Magic and a spell that used to be 12th level (IIRC) became usable under Epic Magic rules.



Really? That seems to contradict Ed's words:

quote:
Originally posted by THO

1. The short answer: Mortals (that includes all of us :} ) just don't know.
The longer answer: The Ban SHOULD have ended with Mystra's death - - but did not. Which means either that its nature is misunderstood by mortals (possibly because Mystra misled them) or (far more likely) Ao or another divine entity "took over" and maintained the Ban (for as yet unknown reasons, but probably having to do with the stability of magic, with the Weave gone).




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khorne
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  13:09:08  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message
Ed, how good are the war wizard's means of ferreting out traitors? I know that Vangey was paranoid as heck, but from what I recall from the Cormyr novel, Elminster's daughter, and the knights of Myth Drannor books war wizard traitors seemed to pop up all over the damn place.

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Blueblade
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  16:53:42  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Hang on, now, dennis.
It only seems to contradict Ed's words if you think of the Ban as an absolute. We already know from Ed and others that it's not. It has many, many little-known exceptions. Mystra and Azuth and their servitors and Chosen aren't bound by it, except to the extent that Mystra wants them to be. It only governs the Weave, so other magical systems (some of which we know to have spells and spell-like powers) can in effect bypass it. And so on. So a spell EFFECT that would have been a Weave arcane spell of higher than 9th level can be achieved by other magical means, and entirely avoids the Ban.
(And if unknown other deities or a divine entity are now upholding the Ban with Mystra gone, we have no idea at all just how "they" now define the Ban. They could have a long list of exempt spells that the Ban doesn't apply to, and we would never know...until someone tried casting one.
Just my two coppers, but based on things Ed has said both here at the Keep and in many GencOn seminars I've attended over the years.
The Realms is like real life: a lot more complicated than neat, hard-and-fast, absolute rules and conditions.
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  17:20:27  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
There is no contradiction at all.

Mystra's Ban was on simply being able to cast 10th+ level spells IIRC.

There was no ban on Elven High Magic (essentially Epic Spells requiring Seeds), or Epic Magic (again, with Seeds).

The Ban was strictly on Higher Level spells.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  17:25:12  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
khorne, I'd say the answer to your question is: not good at all. Ed will give you a proper reply, of course, but for more of the "feel" of the War Wizards, check out ELMINSTER MUST DIE!, Ed's new novel. I know it's set in the Year of the Ageless One, but believe me, the conditions prevailing then are VERY similar to the conditions pertaining for a century or more earlier.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  17:27:15  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And hi AGAIN, everybody!
I just received an Ed-lore reply to Kyrene's latest glossary confirmation request. So, on a few more Realmsian terms of his invention, heeeeeeere's Ed:


HIDESTONE:
A stone in a wall (usually of a cellar or other subterranean room, but more rarely in interior walls of above-ground structures such as keeps) deliberately left unmortared so it can be removed by those who know about it to access a hiding-place (cavity) behind it.

LACKCOIN:
A poor person. This everyday, non-derogatory term is usually used to denote long-lasting poverty rather than a temporary lack of funds.

LOWGOWN: A debauched or lewd person, given to public flirtations and displays of intimate areas of their own flesh. The term suggests females, but is applied to both genders: a lowgown woman is one who displays herself, and a lowgown man is one who tries to “get down the gowns” of women, or who crossdresses or readily dons costumes for wanton purposes.

ROUNDSKULL: A dullard; a person who thinks shallowly, or prefers not to think much at all. One who never sees consequences or likely future conditions or outcomes - - or cares to look for them. Unlike a “dolt,” who CANNOT (hasn’t the necessary wits to) think, a roundskull is one who prefers not to. Often applied to local folk who sit drinking in their tavern displaying prejudices and repeating the words of their parents and grandparents, rather than making their own judgements about changing conditions around them, and new concepts, items, and customs. (A real-world policeman who decides that a dead wife automatically means the husband did the murder and sets out to arrest the husband without doing any investigation would be a classic roundskull.)

SMALLKEG: A smallkeg is a smallish, easily-handled wooden keg used for the transportation and storage of spirits, wines, oils, and other liquids. Like everything else in the hand-produced, non-mechanized Realms, the size of smallkegs varies from specimen to specimen, but in terms of usage, it’s the equivalent of the 2-litre “bomb” pop bottle. Think of the keg carried by the legendary St. Bernard around its neck, to give succor to those lost in the alpine snows. In the Realms, a smallkeg is an imprecise but commonly used unit of sale; the keg is sold along with its contents. Smallkegs are often sealed with clay or pitch, and frequently have metal bands around their centers, or a fitted metal-strap cage around them for strength, sometimes with solid “cap” ends fitted with rings so the kegs can be strung on chains or ropes, hung up on tavern or larder walls, and stored in warehouses or wagons (often among hammocks that carry the next larger size of kegs, the “boltran” or “falaerkyn,” which is about double the size of a smallkeg; most merchants recognize three sizes of kegs, the largest being the size of the real-world North American barrel many of us have seen; anything larger than that is a “cask” and not a “keg”).


So saith Ed. Who was thinking of details like this back in 1967, when he was rather young.
love,
THO
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Kyrene
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  18:16:11  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

And hi AGAIN, everybody!
I just received an Ed-lore reply to Kyrene's latest glossary confirmation request.
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So saith Ed. Who was thinking of details like this back in 1967, when he was rather young.
love,
THO

I have posted a "thank you" scroll in the general forum, for all those that have helped me with the 'Realmspeak' glossary up to now. That goes doubly for you and Ed.

Also, previously (3 July, 2010) I revised a previous (3 June, 2010) question, to which Ed swiftly replied, except for two terms: "crawhorn" and "fielding." Please consider "fielding" as sufficiently answered and remove it from the list.

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tears_of_elysium
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  02:10:16  Show Profile  Visit tears_of_elysium's Homepage  Click to see tears_of_elysium's MSN Messenger address Send tears_of_elysium a Private Message
Hi Hooded One,

I just wasn't sure if my query about the Thar and Melvaunt might have slipped through the cracks in the sea of questions! It's not a problem if Ed can't answer, and I know you're all extremely busy. Thank you so much for your time!
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  02:33:11  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Tears, the Lady Hooded One keeps a log of all the questions asked here. So fear not, no questions are ever missed... it's simply a matter of when Ed can get to each of them.

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Blueblade
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  03:28:59  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
An old friend of mine dropped by earlier today; I hadn't seen him for years, and we got to talking about GenCons past that we'd attended together. At the second last Milwaukee GenCon, he attended the FR Seminar at which Ed mentioned "The Haunted Talltankard." Has anything more of this tale ever been made public?
If not, can Ed share? Pleeeeeeeeease?
Thanks, either way,
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  13:45:17  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
The answers to my questions will probably be NDA, but let's try anyway. I had these questions for some time, but forgot until I re-read the first chapter of Elminster Must Die:
What's the relation between Ganrahast and Vangerdahast? Is he his son by Myrmeen (I'm pretty sure I asked this somewhere before, actually)?
Did Storm's feelings for El always exist? We know they were lovers for some time before El met Alassra.
Would any of them consider a Ménage à trois if they were aware of each others feelings? Even if they were willing, would that ever make it past sexuality/incest censors?
Lastly, ELminster was willing to sacrifice everything for Alassra - "To have his Alassra back, he would do anything." To me, this seems like a new development - in previous books, he was away from Alassra for long periods of time, unable to be with her in order to do the will of Mystra. What changed? The Spellplague/Mystra's death/Alassra's madness/El's infirmity? Or was he always willing to do this, and we simply never had to see it? I'll note that Alassra always seemed to be willing to do anything for El, as evinced in Elminster In Hell.
Also, I'm not sure about his decision. He debates helping Alassra or Cormyr, and chooses Alassra. But he tells himself that with Alassra, they both could protect Cormyr and the world. Is he convincing himself, or is it truly that if he saves Alassra, they could together save Cormyr and the world?

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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Blueblade
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  17:24:30  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Heh. Menelvagor, I'm thinking ALL of your questions will either be answered by Ed subtly in ELMINSTER MUST DIE! and its sequels, or that he won't want to answer directly at all.
I mean, some things SHOULD be left ambiguous. For readers to decide for themselves.
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Baleful Avatar
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  19:35:17  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Re. this, from Menelvagor, the "they" being Elminster and Storm Silverhand: "We know they were lovers for some time before El met Alassra."
We do? It's been specified in print, somewhere? Or is this inference?
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  19:47:30  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
One sentence in ELmister in Hell which was unclear. I asked Ed and he confirmed earlier this year.
Blueblade - what you say is true for most of what I wrote. But other matters, such as censorship, El's willingness to sacrifice stuff for Alassra dn more might be answered now. And even if they will be answered in the book, can you blame me for being impatient?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  20:12:40  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
Ed and THO,

Oil...black/brown crude type. Where can it be found easily in the Realms?

I know pitch can be made from plants...I've done it myself as a child with my grandfather (though I don't recall the process now); but what of oil based pitch? This would of course include tar (usually made of pine product)...

But can these also be made from coal (by process of Coke production) in the Realms? Is coal widely used, or is it primarily only used in certain areas...by certain races?

Where might be found Bitumen...or "surface oil tar" like those found in the La Brea Tar Pits (which are actually asphalt...but I'm looking for any links to oil...sooooo)?

Thanks for any help!


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The Hooded One
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  20:35:05  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Easily? The Underdark. Deep down, in those parts of the Underdark that underlie the Eastern Shaar, and areas east and southeast of there.
The presence of the extensive Underdark subterranean caverns prevents the oil "gushers" of the real world; oil can't well to the surface under pressure if it can easily expand to flood large cavities - - whereupon it, being heavy, will flow to the lowest point, draining down into the region I've mentioned above.
On the surface? ("Tar pits") Far east of Var the Golden, over the first range of mountains (i.e. off the main "Faerun" maps).
"Pitch" to most folk of the Realms is pine tar (and the saps of other coniferous trees) plus the carbon ashes of all large, hot fires. They don't associate it with what we call "oil" at all; to folk in the Realms, "oils" are the boiled-down derivatives of various plants and animal fats. And "natural resources" are shoals of fish, beds of shellfish, abundant herds of wild animals, trees, other harvestable plants, and metals/ores of various sorts. Lamp oil is either derived from trees, or from whales and fish (as in the olden-days real-world, when some small fish were so high in oil that they could be lit on fire and used as lamps all by themselves...which is why they are nearly extinct, or actually extinct, depending on the species, now).
Coal is used in dwarven and gnome forges in the Underdark, and for cooking fires down there, but only used in a few rare spots on the surface world, where veins of soft coal are readily worked from the surface. Charcoal, which anyone can get and make (cover your fire with turf so that it chars the wood slowly, and you have charcoal), is used instead.
Petroleum is only valuable in our world because it is a great fuel, and was formerly abundant and easily "harvested" in many places (which is no longer the case). To folk of the surface Realms, oil (petroleum), if they know about it at all, is a thick, deadly-fumes muck that's a deadly explosive when sparks and flames are nearby...not fuel, of which they have many others, readily available.
(As you might guess, this is something Ed has discussed with me and with TSR/WotC designers. Whom he was once forced to educate, when one of them couldn't see why the Realms wouldn't have diesel engines and military machinery that used them; the guy hadn't thought about all of the necessary support system (refining oil, storing it, shipping it, and so on).
love,
THO

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  21:13:12  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Easily? The Underdark. Deep down, in those parts of the Underdark that underlie the Eastern Shaar, and areas east and southeast of there.
The presence of the extensive Underdark subterranean caverns prevents the oil "gushers" of the real world; oil can't well to the surface under pressure if it can easily expand to flood large cavities - - whereupon it, being heavy, will flow to the lowest point, draining down into the region I've mentioned above.
On the surface? ("Tar pits") Far east of Var the Golden, over the first range of mountains (i.e. off the main "Faerun" maps.
"Pitch" to most folk of the Realms is pine tar (and the saps of other coniferous trees) plus the carbon ashes of all large, hot fires. They don't associate it with what we can "oil" at all; to folk in the Realms, "oils" are the boileed-down derivatives of various plants and animal fats. And "natural resources" are shoals of fish, beds of shellfish, abundant herds of wild animals, trees, other harvestable plants, and metals/ores of various sorts. Lamp oil is either derived from trees, or from whales and fish (as in the olden-days real-world, when some small fish were so high in oil that they could be lit on fire and used as lamps all by themselves...which is why they are nearly extinct, or actually extinct, depending on the species, now.
Coal is used in dwarven and gnome forges in the Underdark, and for cooking fires down there, but only used in a few rare spots on the surface world, where veins of soft coal are readily worked from the surface. Charcoal, which anyone can get and make (cover your fire with turf so that it chars the wood slowly, and you have charcoal), is used instead.
Petroleum is only valuable in our world because it is a great fuel, and was formerly abundant and easily "harvested" in many places (which is no longer the case). To folk of the surface Realms, oil (petroleum), if they know about it at all, is a thick, deadly-fumes muck that's a deadly explosive when sparks and flames are nearby...not fuel, of which they have many others, readily available.
(As you might guess, this is something Ed has discussed with me and with TSR/WotC designers. Whom he was once forced to educate, when one of them couldn't see why the Realms wouldn't have diesel engines and military machinery that used them; the guy hadn't thought about all of the necessary support system (refining oil, storing it, shipping it, and so on).
love,
THO



Many thanks again for all of your help...these are exactly the confirmations I was looking for.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 02 Aug 2010 :  03:07:47  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Dalor, you're quite welcome. Anytime.
Eldacar, proper answers for the questions you posed (back on page 63 of this thread) will of course have to come from Ed, but I can briefly address part of #6, to whit: "Does Caladnei have a similar pet name, and have previous Royal Magicians/Court Wizards also had such nicknames?"

Yes, all of the previous Royal Magicians and Court Wizards (the offices have not always been combined) have had nicknames, both cruel/disparaging/behind their backs AND affectionate/used by friends.
Caladnei, for instance, was jokingly called "Nay" (a shortening of her name AND a dig at her frequent need, as she was tested by most of the realm as an outlander and a woman who was now filling the shoes of the VERY formidable Vangey, to say "no" to various people). This name was used both as a biting insult and as an affectionate, friendly term. Only a few close friends (such as Alusair) used "Cala," and it was definitely friendly/affectionate/intimate. "Duskcloak" was a politely formal disparaging reference to Caladnei's skin hue, which wasn't so much racist (remember, Cormyr is home to native-born folk of all sorts of skin hues) as it was xenophobic ("getting at" the fact she was an outlander) . . . but it got turned into a friendly Court nickname by those who remade it into "Lady Duskcloak" and used it only in a favourable manner.
And so on. I know she has other nicknames, but Ed (and/or perhaps Garen Thal) will have to fill you in on them.
love,
THO
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Dennis
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Ed, THO,

Do some realms have an anthem (national/regional anthem)? I especially want to know if the "evil" realms have (like Thay), because while some realms would have celebrated freedom and courage in their anthems, these "evil" realms must have something quite different.


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Originally posted by dennis


Ed, THO,

Do some realms have an anthem (national/regional anthem)? I especially want to know if the "evil" realms have (like Thay), because while some realms would have celebrated freedom and courage in their anthems, these "evil" realms must have something quite different.





"The Cormyte's Boast" from Volo's Guide to Cormyr seems to be the only one I can think of that comes close, although it's not a far stretch to think that Luruar/the Silver Marches might have their own. I could also see Unther having one back in its heyday, because that would seem just the type of thing a tyrant like Gilgeam would enforce. I think an anthem would make sense even with non-human realms like Myth Drannor or any of the various dwarven clanholds. A very interesting question!
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 02 Aug 2010 :  19:15:43  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
For that matter, are there any noble houses (whether in Cormanthor/Evermeet, Cormyr, Waterdeep, etc.) which have notable mottoes/house words? In Cormantyhr there was a description of elven houses, but I don't recall any mottoes/house words.

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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I just bet there's a Zhentil Keep hose with the motto "I'll cut ya good."

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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all.
Menelvagor, almost all noble houses in the Realms have a motto as part of their blazon. They've been largely omitted in published Realmslore because in the early Greyhawk products heraldry (needed for painting up the tabletop armies then dominant in gaming) was emphasized, and at the time the company was trying to clearly differentiate the Realms and Greyhawk.
Aysen, "The Cormyte's Boast" isn't an anthem, but a countryman's anti-government song (Ed based it on the famous old English folksong "The Vicar of Braye"). dennis, realms in the Realms don't have "official anthems" per se, but do have "battle songs" that serve the same purpose: long after the wars in which they sprang up are done, they are still sung for patriotic reasons, in taverns as well as at official ceremonies.
love to all,
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Thanks, THO!

I'm interested to read the lyrics of those battle songs. Does Ed have plan of including them in his future works?


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Originally posted by Kajehase

I just bet there's a Zhentil Keep hose with the motto "I'll cut ya good."



And a Thayan house with: "I'll flay ya alive."


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