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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  05:15:49  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One


Bane is one of the deities who does both: he schemes and plots, but likes to pay no attention to some matters until they unfold and surprise/amuse/entertain him. As for WHAT Tam achieves, and WHY Bane appeared to "give in" (what he expects to eventually get out of the situation), we'll all just have to wait and see . . .




I wonder if Tam will really keep his part of the bargain when his time is up and he still fails to ascend to godhood. Will he dare fight Bane? If so, I wonder how in Toril does he hope to do that? But then again, I'm touching matters that may or may not happen several years from now.

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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  05:31:59  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

Hi Ed!

Got another question...

Will you write (or did you consider writing) a series or a stand-alone novel set in Netheril? It's just that there's scarcely Netheril-lore presented in Clayton's The Netheril trilogy. Such a rich and powerful realm deserves more exposure.

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gomez
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  09:25:55  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
New Spin A Yarn is out:

http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4dnd/20100730

It seems this tale is pre-Spellplague (the way people talk about Chosen of Mystra, and the appearance of Mhair Szeltune and Mirt).
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gomez
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  10:36:30  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
Another question for Ed:
I am looking for the Halls of Mysteries, the temple of Mystra, on the Raven's Bluff map, but it is not listed.
Is it outside the town? It would be useful for my purposes if it is, actually. (To explain: I am looking to see if placing 'The Spiral Gate' adventure partway in Raven's Bluff and environs would make sense).

There is a walled building in the top left corner of the map (just above O'Kane manor). It seems a bit out of the way, but it migth make a 'mock castle', as the halls are described...
Anyway, I am curious to know.

Gomez

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Zireael
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Second the Netheril question...

And I've got my one: what is the symbol of Bane in 3ed? Is it green rays, or beige rays on green field, shooting from a black fist? Colors are important, because the description says one thing, and the drawing (in F&P) doesn't fit...

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Zandilar
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  11:34:48  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by gomez

New Spin A Yarn is out:

http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4dnd/20100730

It seems this tale is pre-Spellplague (the way people talk about Chosen of Mystra, and the appearance of Mhair Szeltune and Mirt).




Hmm... seems rather long for yarn - novella sized even! Can't wait to read it! Unfortunately, the PDF appears to have broken Stanza on my iPod.

ETA: It hadn't broken Stanza, but Stanza doesn't play well with PDFs, so I'm going to have to read it online when I get a chance... lol

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As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  11:54:06  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

New Spin A Yarn is out:

http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4dnd/20100730

It seems this tale is pre-Spellplague (the way people talk about Chosen of Mystra, and the appearance of Mhair Szeltune and Mirt).




Thank you for posting the link! I'll be adding it to my Spin A Yarn links thread.

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The Sage
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Ooooh! Too bad I can't read it now.

Marked for later perusal.

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Kyrene
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  13:32:11  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
Ed and/or THO,

While searching for more 'Realmspeak' I have come accross four wonderful (and what seems to be slightly hidden, as in they have no official homes except being linked to from the 2002 archive) articles on everyday life in Silverymoon. In the first two "My Slice of Silverymoon" articles, I have found the following 'unexplained' terms:
  • hidestone” – Common:- “. . .best buy a cellar, and search for the little movable "hidestones" in the walls of most of them.” (My Slice of Silverymoon, Part One by Ed Greenwood)

  • lackcoin” – Common:- “. . .cellar-guards (often sons or lackcoin kin of the owners of the buildings. . .” (My Slice of Silverymoon, Part Two by Ed Greenwood)

  • lowgown” – Common:- “. . .the highnoses and lowgowns who throw revels. . .” (My Slice of Silverymoon, Part Two by Ed Greenwood)

  • roundskull” – Common:- “Any roundskull can think of outlander wagons bringing food and goods. . .” (My Slice of Silverymoon, Part One by Ed Greenwood)

  • smallkeg” – Common:- “. . .cracked earthen vessel about the size of a "smallkeg" set on end. . .” (My Slice of Silverymoon, Part One by Ed Greenwood)


  • Can Ed tell us any more about these things?

    Thanks in advance for your replies.

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    Kajehase
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    Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  14:28:03  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
    Found this posted over at the Paizo-forums and wondered if Ed can bring some enlightenment to the poster.

    quote:
    originally posted by Ironicdisaster
    It just occured to me, maybe cause I'm dumb, or maybe cause it I just never put it together, but fey'ri seems like a portmanteau of fey and tanar'ri. On purpose or just a coincidence?

    There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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    The Hooded One
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    Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  15:29:15  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
    Ooooh. Kajehase, you have put your finger on something that's firmly NDA'd. Though the mere fact that it is should tell you something, shouldn't it?
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    The Hooded One
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    Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  15:38:29  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
    Hi again, all.
    dennis, there are many superstitions in the Realms, though (aside from some passing mentions) they have been largely neglected in the printed lore. Ed will offer up a few of them when he has time - - which will undoubtedly not be until after GenCon.

    And as for Netheril: Ed will give you a proper reply on that, too, but the phrasing of your question suggests you think Ed is free to write novels or gamebooks on anything he wants to/is interested in. That's not the case, and never has been: TSR and now Wizards of the Coast decides what will be published, and in the case of novels means deciding on characters, date setting, geographical location, and plot before any writing begins. And, like most publishers, further tweaking by commenting on the first draft, to produce a final that's closer to what they're looking to publish.
    Now, Ed did create Netheril, but the boxed set on Netheril did not use much of his lore, at all. It's doubtful if Wizards would now be interested in any fiction (except for brief plot-necessary flashback scenes in a novel set in the "present," or PERHAPS a website short story) set that far in the past, but . . . everything changes, with passing time, so who knows?
    love,
    THO
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    Hoondatha
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    Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  16:01:42  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
    "Portmanteau?" [scratches head] Maybe I'm just not up on all the older slang, but what does luggage have to do with either fey'ri or tanar'ri? Can you unpack that a bit more, Kajehase?

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    Ashe Ravenheart
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    Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  16:04:55  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
    quote:
    Originally posted by Hoondatha

    "Portmanteau?" [scratches head] Maybe I'm just not up on all the older slang, but what does luggage have to do with either fey'ri or tanar'ri? Can you unpack that a bit more, Kajehase?

    Portmanteau is the blending of two words into a new one.

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    Kajehase
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    Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  19:10:24  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
    And had I written the question I'd have used "compound word" as I'm not a huge fan of using loan words when there already exists a perfectly good "native" expression. (And now I bet someone will show up to tell me that portmanteau was first used in English writing by an Anglo-Norman monk in 1121 or something. WHich would raise the question why said monk wasn't writing in Latin, and then we'd have a nice etymological flame war on our hands, so let's just leave things the way they are, eh?)

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    The Hooded One
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    Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  21:33:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
    Hi again, all!
    A FYI re. the Spin A Yarn: the way the PDF "broke" the pages, it seems to end abruptly, with no "THE END" or equivalent 'end' symbol. I just want everyone to know that the question the story ends on IS indeed the end of the tale; you're not missing anything.
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    Kajehase
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    Posted - 30 Jul 2010 :  23:32:48  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
    That's good to know. On behalf of all my fellow Candlekeepers (because I'm feeling pompous) - thanks

    There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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    Hoondatha
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    Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  00:18:12  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
    quote:
    Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

    quote:
    Originally posted by Hoondatha

    "Portmanteau?" [scratches head] Maybe I'm just not up on all the older slang, but what does luggage have to do with either fey'ri or tanar'ri? Can you unpack that a bit more, Kajehase?

    Portmanteau is the blending of two words into a new one.



    Aha. Well, that makes a whole lot more sense then. Thanks for the clarification.

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    Dalor Darden
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    Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  02:26:59  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
    THO,

    back in 2004, I find this:

    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Well met again, gentles. Thy Hooded Lady, bearing the words of Ed:


    Ahhh, Lashan, you’ve spotted one of my little secrets. Yes, Brandon Battlemaster became a hero in Tantras after he led a few captains of his mercenary company -- WITHOUT pay or any sword-contract -- to the rescue of local priests of Torm, and paid with his life.
    The priests were taking monies (temple offerings) and consecrated armor and weapons (which the priests of the temple had constructed, for other temples of the faith to sell in Sembia and the Vilhon, and thus raise more money for church activities [notably giving food, shelter, and healing to the families of guards who’ve died or been maimed in battle or fulfilling their duties]) to the docks in Tantras to load onto church-owned ships for a quick trip to the nearest Sembian ports (it was intended that the church cargo be carried overland as much as possible, because piracy was very bad at the time).
    Not all of the supporters of Lashan died in the collapse of Lashan’s dreams. Many of them fled across the Reach, to join agents of Lashan already resident in Tantras -- and they got wind of this valuable cargo. Some of them probably saw an attack on it purely in terms of personal gain: enough coin to let them travel far away from the dales and possible retribution, and start a new life elsewhere. Others, because the weapons and armor were their chief interests, obviously intended to replace Lashan with a new ‘pretender’ (perhaps even someone magically disguised to look like Lashan and pretending to BE the original Lashan), and try again to conquer the dales or some part of the region.
    During the late night loading, an attack was made on the priests at the docks. Brandon Battlemaster and some of his warcaptains happened to be drinking in a dockside tavern, and they boiled forth half-drunk to defend the priests of Torm, fighting heroically against great odds and, although almost all of them died in the fray, ultimately winning victory for the faithful of Torm by buying the authorities time enough to muster enough armed force -- and making enough noise that the other dockside taverns emptied, and although confusion reigned, it became impossible for anyone to remove property from the priests on the docks without being seen.
    For their pains, Brandon (now at least a CN hm Ftr9, though he may be as much as 2 levels above that; I can’t find my current notes at the moment) and two of his senior warcaptains, Beltarkh the Bold (CN hm Ftr7 [a very large, strong man with minotaur blood in his lineage]) and Dathamra “Deadsword” Alyth (LN hf Rog2/Ftr4) were raised from the dead by the grateful Church of Torm, and a statue promptly erected in Brandon’s honour. (Local rumor insists that priests constructed it so as to have a hideout chamber in its base, containing a weapons-cache.)
    Brandon, Beltarkh, and Dathamra all seem to have been deeply shaken by the experience, and are now operating all over the coastal lands of the Sea of Fallen Stars, and (for now, at least) largely avoiding Tantras and the Dragonreach. Or perhaps they came to some sort of secret agreement with the Tantran priests of Torm that the wider world doesn’t know about.


    So saith Ed. Interesting. VERY interesting. Something Brandon said in passing to one of my characters makes a lot more sense, now . . .
    Ed, your mind must be like a huge library of books all opening themselves and reading themselves aloud at once. Hmm: Lost and Wandering in Ed’s mind -- now THAT would make a Hollywood movie I’d pay a LOT to go and see.
    THO
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    I have two questions related to this:

    1) Was Brandon ever a Player Character in one of Ed's games?

    2) What happened with Brandon after this?

    ANY information at all is welcome on this character please.

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    Dalor Darden
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    Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  02:32:46  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
    A follow up as well please:

    Where is Brandon originally from? I'm hoping that information was never decided...but if it is; I'd love to know it.

    Also, can you tell me where Jhassilm Onespear's Citadel was that Brandon stormed?

    AND...and I promise this is the last thing I'll ask concerning Brandon and "relations": the Lich Tharuighagh, where in the hills near Saerb was it that Brandon killed him...and was it a lair or simply out and about?

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    The Hooded One
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    Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  03:09:42  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
    Hi again, all.
    Dalor, Brandon was an Ed-created ("pre-generated") PC played by a participant in one of Ed's library mini-campaigns (that is, a 13-weekly-session program offered to the public for free at what was then Brookbanks Community Branch of the North York Public Library in North York (now part of Toronto), Ontario, Canada.
    And yes, Brandon did destroy the lich in a subterranean lair that the lich had taken over (rather than constructed), near Saerb.
    Better information will have to wait for Ed's replies.
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    Ashe Ravenheart
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    Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  03:32:50  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
    Lady Hooded One:

    Has time enough passed that we might learn of the author of "Filfaeril: Bound and Willing" might be known?

    I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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    The Hooded One
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    Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  03:42:58  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
    I'm not sure. I'll have to check with Ed. He was toying with the idea of slipping it into FR fiction (no, scribes, it's NOT in ELMINSTER MUST DIE!) for all of you to find and have a good surprise and laugh, but perhaps that notion has waned. Several naughtier Ed moments have fallen to editing in recent projects, suggesting that the "unbuttoning" direction favored a few years back has given way to a less suggestive, more PG-13 line style.
    Yet if we can reveal, we will . . .
    Though it might be after GenCon. I'm going down this year, hoping to swing by and drop in on the (terribly busy, if his planned schedule is anything to go by) Ed for a few drinXXX ahem, moments, so I'll probably be e-silent most of next week (and Ed will, too).
    Ed tends to get handed a lot of last-minute "Oh, could you work this or that up, just a few pages/concepts/treatments, and we'll meet at GenCon and talk about it?" . . . so his time for lore replies between now and then might be short. We'll have to see.
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    Dennis
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    Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  04:42:29  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message
    quote:
    Originally posted by The Hooded One

    Hi again, all.
    dennis, there are many superstitions in the Realms, though (aside from some passing mentions) they have been largely neglected in the printed lore. Ed will offer up a few of them when he has time - - which will undoubtedly not be until after GenCon.




    Looking forward to it....I just find it quite intriguing...

    quote:
    Originally posted by The Hooded One
    And as for Netheril: Ed will give you a proper reply on that, too, but the phrasing of your question suggests you think Ed is free to write novels or gamebooks on anything he wants to/is interested in. That's not the case, and never has been: TSR and now Wizards of the Coast decides what will be published, and in the case of novels means deciding on characters, date setting, geographical location, and plot before any writing begins. And, like most publishers, further tweaking by commenting on the first draft, to produce a final that's closer to what they're looking to publish.
    Now, Ed did create Netheril, but the boxed set on Netheril did not use much of his lore, at all. It's doubtful if Wizards would now be interested in any fiction (except for brief plot-necessary flashback scenes in a novel set in the "present," or PERHAPS a website short story) set that far in the past, but . . . everything changes, with passing time, so who knows?



    Hopefully Wizards will let Ed delve more into Netheril and tell us more of its rich culture in a novel or series. I just think it's a lot better to hand the job of telling one of the greatest histories of the Realms to the Master/Creator himself.

    I know Wizards is focusing more on post-SP events, but a flashback (a big and important one, that is) can prove good for them and for the fans. It's also one way of drawing back the old Realms fans who seem to see post-SP events in a rather bad light.


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    Kentinal
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    Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  05:02:03  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message
    quote:
    Originally posted by The Sage

    quote:
    Originally posted by dennis

    1.Is Mystra's Ban permanent, existing even though she's destroyed?
    Hmmm. I seem to recall this being "officially" answered *somewhere* -- though maybe not by Ed.

    I'll check my own archives.



    Oh this is a fun one that had some discussion in the past, even on the Boards not to be mentioned.

    In many ways the ban no longer existed because of Epic magic introduced in 3rd Edition. There was no spell higher then 9th level, however High Elven Magic and a spell that used to be 12th level (IIRC) became usable under Epic Magic rules.

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