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Brimstone
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 :  05:52:48  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
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then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

but I'd wager that you might not see an answer there....
Why?

Ed's dealt with sensitive and/or private subjects before, as those quotes from Wooly just proved.

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createvmind
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Thanks for the archive lore, still hope I get a bit more, what do aquatic races do? Did have have Ranger/Druid/ Clerics of Nature learn spells that masked their smell but never saw actual print?
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Penknight
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I know that women in the real world like to use flavored lip gloss and all of that, and I was curious if in the Realms women had anything like that. I have a female elf/fey'ri NPC that uses berries to flavor her lips, and I was wondering if any mages or anyone specialized in making things like that for women, and if so, what is it called, please? Thanks!

Also, if it does exist, would clerics of Hanali likely be the ones that made if for the elven women? And are there certain flavors that are preferred by elfmaids?

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Menelvagor
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Posted - 19 Jan 2010 :  20:49:06  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
I'm back, with another slew of questions:
What exactly is the extent of the relationship between Aerilee Summerwood and the Spurbrights? Does this relationship continue in later years? And why did Aerilee go back to Silverymooon after what seems like a few weeks at the most (unless there's more time than I thought between the end of Swords of Dragonfire and the beginning of The Sword Never Sleeps)?
How many female Highknights are there in all of Cormyr during Azoun's time? What is their percentage of all the Highknights? And why does it seem that the two seen in the trilogy have both slept with Azoun? How many of the female Highknights have slept with Azoun?
What exactly was the relationship between Vangey and Laspeera during this time? She seems not to completely trust him, although he trusts her? Why is that?
Why is everyone certain Vangey is trying to rule Cormyr without the Obarskyrs, and is trying to personally get rid of them? For that matter, why does it seem that Vangey is trying to get rid of the Knights, even if it means killing them?
Elminster mentions to Khelben that Mystra has a reason for wanting him in Shadowdale, tells him that he cannot reveal it, and then lists some other reasons. What is that reason? And does it still exist after the Spellplague?
What are Khelben's plans for the Knights? On one hand, he gave them the Pendant of Ashaba. On the other, he's willing ot withdraw protection from them. Why is this? Does he simply see them as expendble pawns that can easily be replaced?
Azoun told Alusair that Vangey is 'too vital' to Cormyr, and therefore shouldn't be defied or annoyed. Surely that's not how the relationship between Cormyr's Monarch and his Royal Magician works - 'I need him, so I'll tolerate him'? Although this probably ties in with my question about the earlier relationship between Vangey and Azoun.
Why did Vangey listen to Alusair's reprimand by Filfaeril?
Tsantress mentioned she noticed Vangey meeting with folk that troubled her deeply. Who were these folk, and why was Vangey meeting them?
Urgh, that's it for now. And I'm not even halfway through! Still, at least I know I'll (barring NDA's) get answers.

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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Malcolm
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Posted - 20 Jan 2010 :  16:04:37  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Geez, Menelvagor, I dunno...if I was writing a Cormyr novel I'd not want Ed to give public answers to even half of those. Tell ME, as a writer, yes, but nail down specifics for everyone, no. Which leaves me thinking you'll be getting a lot of "Sorry, NDA" answers. Still, worth a try asking.
I can comment on one of your questions, about Azoun telling Alusair Vangey is too vital to be defied or annoyed.
This was discussed at a Gencon seminar, and Ed reminded everyone that fathers use things that happen to educate their children. So Azoun was telling Alusair that just because she's royal, she can't demote, banish, imprison, or have killed anyone who angers her or stops her from getting her way - - because those "anyones" can be far too useful to treat that way.
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Blueblade
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Posted - 20 Jan 2010 :  18:28:28  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
"Can't" meaning "musn't" in Azoun to Alusair, you mean, Malcolm?
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Malcolm
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Posted - 20 Jan 2010 :  20:50:01  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Yes.
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 21 Jan 2010 :  15:58:13  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Possibly, Malcolm. But I'd like answers to the more general questions, regarding relationships and attitudes. I think everybody would benefit from knowing how the relationship between certain people work, and general attitudes towards certain people in Cormyr.
Anyway, more questions: The answer will probably be NDA, and if not I'm certain the question has been asked, but who is the Lost Princess? And how is it that some nobles know of her, and what's her purpose?
Alusair was very surprised when Fee decided to spank her. I assume this means they didn't have much corporal punishment. So what kind of punishments did they use? Something like 'now you have to learn this and this'?
It was mentioned that the old symbol of the War Wizards was 'the dragon encircled by nine stars and then a circle of chain'. I assume 'the dragon' means the Purple Dragon of Cormyr. But what do the chain and stars represent? And what is the new symbol of the War Wizards?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."

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Rhewtani
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I'm suddenly wondering if they used whipping boys.
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Blueblade
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Posted - 21 Jan 2010 :  19:34:32  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Re. the War Wizards' symbol: yes, the dragon is Cormyr, and just as obviously, the nine stars represent Mystra (magic).
From what Ed's said at GenCon seminars in the past, an unbroken chain denotes rulership/policing/defending/guardianship (and in this case, its position/location ties the guardianship to Cormyr and magic), whereas a broken chain means escape from servitude/slavery/dominance by someone/something else (such as orcs).
So this would represent the Wizards of War as defending Cormyr with magic.
Right, THO? Ed?
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 21 Jan 2010 :  19:37:32  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
EXACTLY right, Blueblade. I couldn't have put it better myself.
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THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 21 Jan 2010 :  23:29:37  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
createvmind, I've always assumed that the subsea races wouldn't have menstrual cycles that result in blood actually being released, since that would be obviously counter to survival in the water in ways that it isn't in the air. That's for those races (like aquatic elves) who are built along human lines, as opposed to other races like locathah, shalarin, and morkoth who breed in other ways.

For instance (provided I'm remembering my high school biology correctly), an earth cat goes through menstrual cycles (the thickening and thinning of the uterine walls), but the blood is all reabsorbed at the conclusion of the cycle. I would imagine something similar happens with sea elves and merfolk, though I can't remember if merfolk give birth to live young or breed like fish.

For that matter, it's also an option for non-human air-breathing races. Certainly any race based on cats, but really you could do it with a lot of demihumans. Another interesting tack would be for those humans infected with lycanthropy to switch from a regular menstruation cycle to one like their animal aspect. Since lycanthropes already have ties to the moon, it would be plausible, and would give an infected woman a clue (or a completely-unrelated scare).

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Sigh... And now 4e as well.

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 :  13:22:33  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Aysen, from my understanding (based on many chats with Ed, though several years ago, now), your supposition about Roldo is entirely correct.
However, all that is left in the published novel, thanks to the drastic shortening it had to undergo, are the hints you've mentioned.
I believe Elaine did most of the initial "drawing the characters" of the nobles as part of her lead role of plotting the novel, so Roldo and his "marriage of convenience" is probably her idea.
On the other hand, Roldo and ANOTHER, now entirely missing from the book due to the shortening, young noble MAY have been "telescoped" together in the editing, and this now-vanished noble may have originally been the "openly gay" character.
I'm not sure how overt any homosexuality would have been, in the unshortened mammoth first draft, because TSR/Wizards Realms books have tended to follow the "sexual matters if germane to the plot, absent if not" approach. I'm sure there would have been scenes that made the personal feelings of any gay character(s) clear, but I doubt they would have been "sex scenes" as North America generally uses that term....

We should also bear in mind that "suggesting but not confirming" is a technique that Ed, Elaine, and many other writers like to use in storytelling, for some things but not others. This may have ended up being the way this was handled, even if it wasn't initially intended to be this veiled. Having to cut more than a third of a book means a LOT of stuff had to go.
love,
THO



THO is quite correct--there were no explicit scenes depicting Roldo's sexual orientation in the uncut version, not even dialogue or internal monologue that confirmed it. My feeling was that this was an issue the Gemcloaks more or less understood, but did not discuss.

I learned many things from writing this book with Ed, and one of them was NEVER write a book to the outer limits of the established word count. The draft we turned in went right to the edge of the word count range established in the contract, and we were asked to trim the word count substantially--not just once, but twice. I'm currently working on a book that also had a fairly wide word count, and before things went too far I double checked with the editor to see what she REALLY wanted. Because it's not just a matter of a little nip and tuck, maybe cutting a scene here and there. A 90K-word book and a 110K-word book are very different animals. The difference between 110K and 160K, even more so. Pacing, subplots, the number of characters, the passage of time, and many other storytelling elements are profoundly dependent upon story length. And if a scene is easily cut, that usually means it wasn't important in the first place. Removing parts of a story require reshaping the entire story. Ed did most of the heavy lifting on the reduction/rewrite, but even so, it's not an experience I'm eager to relive.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 :  13:31:15  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Aysen

Based on certain phrases and interactions with characters in a few chapters of the book, are Roldo Thongolir and/or his wife Sarintha Thann bisexual/gay/asexual? Theirs is an arranged marriage, hastily assembled in the wake of him becoming family heir after the Deepwater War, and under pressure to be a financial (if not filial) success. For these types of marriages mutual attraction is not a requirement, and Roldo admits theirs is not one of passion.

When Roldo and Korvaun Helmfast discuss the marriage and honeymoon, Korvaun offers the delicate observation that the marriage will work out, "as they find enjoyment in mutual interests."


This may come as a shock, so prepare yourself: I intend to give this question a straight answer. (No pun intended.)

Yes, Roldo is gay. Sarintha is not, but she is pragmatic and the marriage of convenience suits her. They are not the first nobly born couple, in fantasy or in real life, who marry against personal inclinations because it is expected of them. Korvaun's statement does NOT reference sexual preferences or practices; he is speaking only in general terms.

quote:
In a scene between Roldo and Asper, Roldo declines the ownership of a slipshield, fearing that the device's shapechanging ability would sorely tempt one who is used to living behind a mask, and pretending to be someone else. Ed, in that scene is Roldo speaking generally or specifically about himself, and if so, does that refer to his sexual preference, or to the fact he is striving to mask the unexpected burden of being the Thongolir heir behind the "noble wastrel facade"?


Yes. It was our goal to depict Roldo as a complex person--an honorable man, a dutiful son, and a loyal friend. He is also gay, but the story is not ABOUT him being gay. A main theme in the novel is the complexity of family and friendships. Another theme is secrets/masks, including hidden identities. Roldo reflects all of these things. I hope readers feel that he dealt with the circumstances of his life and culture with grace and dignity.

Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 22 Jan 2010 13:32:09
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Nicolai Withander
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 :  16:39:43  Show Profile Send Nicolai Withander a Private Message
Hello Ed and THO...

I was just wondering, and this question may very much have been asked a milion times before, but im gonna ask it anyways.

The characters like Elminster, Volo, the chosen and so forth are thise character from gaming sessions from whece this game started, or are this just made up for novels and game material.

And if these NPCs was once PL whome did Ed and THO play?

Thx for any answer!
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 :  23:04:57  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

Hello Ed and THO...

I was just wondering, and this question may very much have been asked a milion times before, but im gonna ask it anyways.

The characters like Elminster, Volo, the chosen and so forth are thise character from gaming sessions from whece this game started, or are this just made up for novels and game material.

And if these NPCs was once PL whome did Ed and THO play?

Thx for any answer!



Here's a bit from Ed about the Seven Sisters, which should answer part of your question:

quote:
1) Storm was the first of the Seven I created. An image of her harping by a fireside on the verges of the High Forest on a winter evening, with snow softly falling, but her harp music fueling a spell that kept snow and cold at bay JUST around the fire, for the exhausted, wounded Harpers sleeping around her.
Along comes a band of brigands, who feather her with arrows from afar. In agony, she uses her blood to work a magic that heals her, but her pain sends echoes (through the Weave, though I hadn't named it then; Julia Martin came up with that name, years later), The Simbul feels them, and - - wham! - - teleports in to take panther form and gleefully slash and savage the brigands apart.
That was my first glimpse of the Seven Sisters. I knew there were more, because almost immediately another scene came to mind: a Zhent triumphantly (and mistakenly) reporting to his superior that he'd slain one of the Seven. Said superior reacting in disgust: "you idiot. They'll be after us now. Even if you somehow killed them all, there are more. There are ALWAYS more."
It was a year before Laeral, Alustriel, and Dove got their names, and walked into stories. This'd be 1967-ish.


And another relevant bit:
quote:
Wooly Rupert, Elminster and the Seven Sisters were ALWAYS Chosen of Mystra as they came into personal focus (in other words, by about 1972 I knew what a Chosen of Mystra was, some of the identities of the Chosen, and a lot about Mystra herself; I hadn’t figured out who the Seventh Sister was, and in fact left that for Steven Schend to deal with, much later, but before there ever was a D&D game, I knew that a select circle of powerful folk, many of the ladies being sisters who had silver hair and were ‘almost’ daughters to Mystra, were ‘special’ servants of hers, called the Chosen).


As for THO's character(s), that is known only to her, Ed, and the other members of their gaming group. It's a question that's been asked more than once, but it's one that the lovely Lady Hooded One has to decline answering.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

As for THO's character(s), that is known only to her, Ed, and the other members of their gaming group. It's a question that's been asked more than once, but it's one that the lovely Lady Hooded One has to decline answering.
Yes, as I've said elsewhere, the Lady Hooded One has told us, previously, that she is actually one of Ed’s players who participates in his campaigns as one of the Knights of Myth Drannor. But the Lady Hooded One has kindly asked that we do not question her as to which Knight she plays, and thus, won't say anything more on the issue.

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sfdragon
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I wonder if her Most High Ladyship THO would tell us how many character's she has played in ED's games.

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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The Hooded One
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Of COURSE she will.
Three.
One most of the time, and two others briefly.
Also: Ed's campaigns have always had another feature: if your PC gets killed or rendered senseless early in a play session, Ed gives you one of the NPC Knights (Mourngrym was one, Eressea Ambergyles another, and there are more) to play until your PC is "back up." So I've played six or seven other characters, VERY briefly, over the years.
love at all,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 :  03:46:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Elaine, thank you very much for providing more for us all about CITY OF SPLENDORS. Which Ed still wishes could have been 200,000 words long, even if it had to be split into two fat volumes.
As he put it to me once: "Elaine spun this marvellous plot, and as the writing unfolded we didn't have space to show more of the nobles, or the Amalgamation (and the man who headed it for so long), or the Warrens. Still, we sure tried, and at least went down fighting to put more and more and more in. I still wish we hadn't had to chop - - and that last edit I did REALLY hurt. Sigh."
Though as I've told him more than once, even the slimmed-down published version is a great read and a fascinating one. It has an expansive FEEL, that spurs you to wondering about this or that place or character or back story that the reader gets hints of, and knows there was more about. In short, it feels "real." As if we got a fast run and glimpse through a city that has a lot of depth we can tell is there, but didn't get to see.
The two of you really did make Waterdeep come alive.
(This new series of "Eddie Presents Waterdeep" standalones does too, but only through the cumulative effect of reading several different novels by different writers looking at different characters, each taking its own viewpoint.)
love,
THO
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Nicolai Withander
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ok... thats was very cool reading. But Elminster is he a former player character or has he always been a NPC?
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The Hooded One
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Elminster has always been a Non Player Character. Who actually appears in our Realmsplay, with Ed as DM, very seldom. He's more "someone you're aware of the existence of" (like the head of state of a distant country) than he is someone onstage, directly interacting with PCs.
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THO
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 :  16:47:57  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade:
the nine stars represent Mystra (magic).

I suspected this, but Mystra is represented by seven stars, no?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."
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The Red Walker
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert


And another relevant bit:
[quote]Wooly Rupert, Elminster and the Seven Sisters were ALWAYS Chosen of Mystra as they came into personal focus (in other words, by about 1972 I knew what a Chosen of Mystra was, some of the identities of the Chosen, and a lot about Mystra herself; I hadn’t figured out who the Seventh Sister was, and in fact left that for Steven Schend to deal with, much later, but before there ever was a D&D game, I knew that a select circle of powerful folk, many of the ladies being sisters who had silver hair and were ‘almost’ daughters to Mystra, were ‘special’ servants of hers, called the Chosen).



Wow! I never new that Wooly Rupert was a Chosen of Mystra........but if Ed says so....

I don't know if I should congratulate him or offer condolences

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John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963

Edited by - The Red Walker on 23 Jan 2010 20:24:10
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