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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Posted - 15 Jul 2009 :  19:50:24  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Wait until you see my newest version of the FR map - there are quite a few more settlements in the area of the Tunlands then most folks realized (at least twenty, all canon).

However, with the growth (and integration) of the swamps in 4e, many of those may have been destroyed (and, of course, the Spellplague could have done a number on all of them... or not).

I noted that not a lot of 'settlement' happened in the Stonelands, despite Cormyr's best efforts in the 1300's. I suppose the proximity of the Shades and destruction of Tilverton have something to do with that.

BTW, since I just mentioned it... does 'New Tilverton' even exist? perhaps Brian James knows?

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 15 Jul 2009 19:52:10
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gomez
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Netherlands
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 :  08:33:42  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
Also, Cormyrans may have decided to settle closer to Sembia (since there now are a few independent cities as a buffer) or near Highdale.
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Markustay
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 :  15:35:58  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
AFAIK, there already were hundreds of tiny settlements along that border.

'Conquering' the Stonelands was a major initiative of Azoun IV, and one of the main reasons why he was so willing to give charters to adventuring companies. I guess after his death, that 'project' went on a back-burner.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Baleful Avatar
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 :  15:40:15  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Well, of course. No point settling in a place (the Stonelands) where you can't grow food, where there are no roads (and no near neighbors or supplies), and where monsters show up to try to make YOU dinner every few minutes.
When the alternative settlement areas have all that the Stonelands is missing.
Now, if there was a sudden gold strike or people started finding caverns full of gems that are easily reached by average folk, then settlement (at least temporarily) might happen.
Just reading Ed's descriptions of the terrain (bare rock ridges, deep ravines between, no level ground) make me not want to ever go near the Stonelands. Er, nearer than Eveningstar, at least.
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Blueblade
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 :  14:50:59  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
Yet another request for Cormyrean lore:
Are there any "mass" makers of nails, spikes, or other metal fasteners (screws? bolts? Do they exist in the Realms at this time?) circa the 1370s, in Cormyr?
Some sort of foundry/factory, I mean, as opposed to every smith hand-making what he needs "plus a few extra" for sale.
I didn't mean hinges or hook and eye catches, but now that I'm asking, I might as well include them, too . . .
Thanks!
BB
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Malcolm
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 :  14:52:54  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
I'd like to ride the coat tails of Blueblade's request: if there are such foundries or factories, is there one or more in Suzail? Can we know something about them (name, location, reputation, do they sell through other shops?). Please?
Thank you!
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Baleful Avatar
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 :  14:55:38  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
I, too, have another campaign-related request: does Suzail have any acting or dancing schools, circa the 1370s DR, that recently had a scandal or were mentioned in unsavory rumors of some sort? Yes, I can obviously make up my own, so Ed doesn't have to, but I didn't want to contradict canon if he already has something up his sleeve . . .
Thanks.
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Sage of Stars
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 :  14:59:51  Show Profile  Visit Sage of Stars's Homepage Send Sage of Stars a Private Message
Ed, have you seen any sign of the SONGS OF THE DYING EARTH tribute anthology to Jack Vance, that George Martin's co-editing? Supposedly an August release, but I haven't heard anything for some time. I know you wanted to pick it up. Subterranean Press, yes?

And for Realms relevance, everyone: Ed, I know about the upcoming "Realms of the" anthology; do you know of any other planned anthologies or collections to be published set in the Realms?
Thank you in advance for anything you can share, old friend.
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Markustay
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 :  15:50:17  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Baleful Avatar

Dear Ed and THO,
I, too, have another campaign-related request: does Suzail have any acting or dancing schools, circa the 1370s DR, that recently had a scandal or were mentioned in unsavory rumors of some sort? Yes, I can obviously make up my own, so Ed doesn't have to, but I didn't want to contradict canon if he already has something up his sleeve . . .
Thanks.

How about a producer of plays?

Check the adventure section of 2e's Draconimicon.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Zandilar
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  01:38:37  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

Just a quick question (with lots of explanations...) of relevance to my home brewed campaign, and maybe of interest to other people...

Just how far do you think Midnight/Mystra would go to hold onto existence?

Now I have two versions of the Realms, both of which I've managed to "save" Mystra in.

The first one is attached only to itself (and which other worlds or planes I decide to use if I ever run a game there), and Mystra knew her demise was imminent, so she went to Eilistraee for help (being the deity she's probably closest to given they share a Chosen) - Eilistraee gave up what was left of Vhaeraun, and Mystra was able to use that extra "stealthy" power to not be where Cyric was expecting her to be, and thus escaped death. (Mystra did replace the power she took from Eilistraee with some of her own, and afterwards she retained Vhaeraun's power in the form of an extra portfolio - Illusions, which Cyric lost.)

The second one, which is relevant to this question, is the Realms attached to my home brewed world of Cresan. Mystra knew her deminse was imminent, so she found a stray adventurer from Cresan (a changeling sorcerer called Harana, an NPC/Henchman), appealed to her, converted her from her original deity (Ah'an), then made her a Chosen. Harana was quite happy to help this foreign deity, and accepted (I am not entirely sure of Harana's motives, sometimes characters do things that surprise me when I let them slip off the leash). When Harana and the rest of her party were returned to Cresan, stuff happened - to cut a long story short a combined faction of demons and devils, and their hybrids, had tried to make the world into a NE plane and had almost succeeded. After seeing some pretty gruesome sights, Harana suddenly spoke up, but she was Harana no longer. Mystra had taken over. Her power had been placed within Harana for just this purpose, to bring her into Cresan and away from Cyric and Shar who would have almost certainly succeeded in killing her. Harana/Mystra cryptically blamed herself for what was happening in Cresan, then disappeared, leaving the party wondering what to do. Cutting another long story short, eventually the PCs came across Harana/Mystra battling Ah'an (a TN deity) for dominance over magic - which she wins. The reverberations in time and space from this battle had frozen the portal that was supposed to deliver the PCs to Cresan in time to avert the current crisis before it began, which caused the PCs to arrive when they did - too late to do anything about it. (But then they discovered an old friend who was able to teleport them back to the correct time by sacrificing herself and her power to do so - with the new deity of magic's help, of course.). Of course, with the time traveling you might wonder if Mystra was able to survive after all - yes, but she won't appear in Cresan for another three game years. (I am also in two minds as to whether or not the party will get Harana back. I think Harana and Mystra are too well integrated (especially given the impact of Mystra's battle with Ah'an), and have warned the party that they may be unable to "save" Harana. I liked Harana, but sometimes you have to let your darlings go. )

Of the two survivals, I think the former is probably more in character for Mystra, as it harms no one and manages to use friendship and stealth to thwart stealth and hatred. But I could see the second one working if Mystra felt she was that pressed and that in danger, and if she felt the Realms without her would suffer badly enough - the plan was to become a deity in another world so she could not be entirely defeated, and would leave the door to her coming back to the Realms once Cyric and Shar's attempt to kill her merely kills the avatar she left behind.

(Okay, enough working on this. Time to post. Hopefully people will be able to make sense of what I wrote. )

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Markustay
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  13:14:28  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Canonically, Mystra is/was closest to Wee Jas, part of Greyhawk's Pantheon (On Hallowed Ground). As an old GH DM, I probably would have used her instead of Eilistraee (sort of combining your two).

The second scenario, IMHO, is more suited to the "Lady of Mysteries".
Mystra 'eating' Vhaeraun's remnants is a bit... icky.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 18 Jul 2009 13:14:58
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer

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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  17:05:40  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

BTW, since I just mentioned it... does 'New Tilverton' even exist? perhaps Brian James knows?
New Tilverton was included in the map order for Backdrop: Cormyr, located just southwest of Castle Nacacia along the Moonsea Ride. Mike Schley, the cartographer, mentioned that someone at WotC asked him to remove it. So it does appear that New Tilverton no longer exists, but even if that were so I'd rather have it marked as a ruin than not appear on the map at all.

Brian R. James - Freelance Game Designer

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  17:38:02  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, Wooly! Ed tells me there's something wrong with his Yahoo account right now (in general, not just with messeages from you), so he'll get back to you ASAP. Which I presume means he knows he's got a message from you, he just can't get the account to either show it to him or to let him reply.
To all other scribes, I do have an Ed lore reply to share with you, in just a moment when I can get it downloaded.
love,
THO
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  18:17:56  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Ed and THO,

Thanks for the quick replies re: my most recent inquiries. Shortly thereafter, I was able to track down that elusive Dragon #51 online, in NM condition from a reputable used-RPG dealer I've ordered from in the past. I paid a pretty penny for it, but it's worth it. I found a couple of other titles I was looking for; they made the shipping charges to Western Canada worthwhile.

Hopefully something will be made available soon re: my two Hasturian questions (and no, they are not to be named until they can be answered, however vaguely, with something other than "NDA"; if *I'm* getting tired of seeing my questions rephrased by me in an effort to squeeze out the slightest bit of an answer, I can only imagine how the rest of CK feels...).

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  18:23:30  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
As promised, lore from Ed, this time in reply to a query from Raelan back in early March of this year: "Hi, Ed. I've been wondering a few things regarding the Mad Mage of Undermountain for some time. He's always been a rather enigmatic figure in the Realms, and I'd like to know a bit more, both for my own edification and for the purposes of using some of his ongoing works when running a game.
Would you be willing to offer a conjecture as to what Halaster would've been doing with with his post-Elminster in Hell life had he not died and the Spellplague never happened? What would his goals have been; what type of plots would he have been engaged in; how would his interactions with his apprentices, associates, and people in general have changed; and would he descend into madness once again as a result of the influence of the enchantments of Undermountain? Did he have machinations in motion at the time of his canonical death that you could go into and extrapolate upon as if he hadn't been killed?
Any and all info would be appreciated. :)"
Ed replies:

Halkaster's problem was madness induced and exacerbated by Weave overload; he was trying to maintain too many wards and "hanging" spells (waiting to be triggered) and scrying ports and gates/portals - - at the same time as he suffered spell backlashes and mind damage from spell-duels. For a time he was just paranoid, then he was "wild-mad," and for a time thereafter he was sane inside Undermountain (i.e. within all his wards), but mad outside Undermountain. Then it became vice-versa.
In ELMINSTER IN HELL, Mystra didn't "cure" his insanity; she increased his Weave-handling ability by a LOT. Allowing him to recover control of himself.
So, Halaster would still be as whimsical/unpredictable to most humans as, say, Elminster is . . . but quite lucid and farsighted and cunning. He would still be paranoid - - and now able to travel freely and function freely wherever he was. Meaning he'd set out to see to "unfinished business" (like getting even with the Twisted Rune, and resuming all of his long-neglected projects outside Undermountain - - which include mending fences with some of his apprentices, moving to influence the rule of certain city-states and countries where he desires to operate, such as Amn and Tethyr, and take a few revenges on others besides the Rune).


So saith Ed. Being as general as possible in his reply, I see. Quite possibly due to not wanting to hamper some developments in the "home" Realms campaign [[insert chords of doom here]]
love to all,
THO
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Jakk
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  18:57:37  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Mmm... tasty Halaster-lore... I had assumed much of this, and the rest fits in nicely with my plans for the Mad Mage...

Edit: In my campaign, Mystra is CN, not CG. Her near-demise at the hands of Shar unhinged her somewhat, ironically rebalancing the moral scales of magic in the process. Magic itself is neither good nor evil, and as such neither should be the god who oversees it. Besides, it works better for my aforementioned plans for Halaster. That's all for now; this is still a details-in-progress project.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 18 Jul 2009 19:04:32
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createvmind
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  19:39:32  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello All,

Ed what would you say are the properties of this 'permanant darkness" over Tilverton and what creatures would now make this area their home in your mindseye. I'm assuming undead who shun light would flock to this area if it was not harmful to them. Also is this a sustaining magic effect, is it actually eating away at the weave surrounding it or perhaps anchored within the weave itself?

Another question is would surviving Phaerimm be able to subsist off of this area, would it have the 'meat; of a mythal or be more like 'chinese food', tasty but leaving phaerimm craving for something more substantial?

Thanks
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  20:55:33  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Wait until you see my newest version of the FR map - there are quite a few more settlements in the area of the Tunlands then most folks realized (at least twenty, all canon).

However, with the growth (and integration) of the swamps in 4e, many of those may have been destroyed (and, of course, the Spellplague could have done a number on all of them... or not).
<snip>



And how long will we have to wait to see that map, Mark? And I hope you're keeping 4E changes to a separate version of the map... as much as I've resigned myself to the reality of 4E, that doesn't mean I like the geography any more... apart from the undesertifiation of Anauroch.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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althen artren
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  22:58:07  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message

Ed:
Dove-tailing (and what a tail she has too)...

Could you try and mechanically/functionaly explain the "increase
of Weave-handling ability" you mentioned a couple
of posts ago with Halaster. That caught my
attention a lot.
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 :  23:11:56  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Ooh! I second the request from Althen. I'll maybe work on my own explanation while we're waiting; it's a weekend, after all...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Zandilar
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Australia
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Posted - 19 Jul 2009 :  00:44:08  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Edit: In my campaign, Mystra is CN, not CG. Her near-demise at the hands of Shar unhinged her somewhat, ironically rebalancing the moral scales of magic in the process. Magic itself is neither good nor evil, and as such neither should be the god who oversees it. Besides, it works better for my aforementioned plans for Halaster. That's all for now; this is still a details-in-progress project.



Mystra's never been CG, 1st Ed Mystra was LN, while post Time of Troubles (2nd Ed and 3rd Ed) Mystra was NG. The very first incarnation of Mystra (Mystryl) was CN, so it's a fitting alignment... A return to her roots, of sorts.

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 19 Jul 2009 :  01:50:34  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

Heya,

<snip>

Mystra's never been CG, 1st Ed Mystra was LN, while post Time of Troubles (2nd Ed and 3rd Ed) Mystra was NG. The very first incarnation of Mystra (Mystryl) was CN, so it's a fitting alignment... A return to her roots, of sorts.



That's right... my bad. I have a tendency to overlook NG as an alignment; in any case, it certainly doesn't fit the deity of all magic, imho... anyway, so as not to hijack this scroll any further, I have (sigh) yet another question for Ed, entirely unrelated to my previous ramblings.

Ed, is there anything you can tell me about the whereabouts of the Artblade between its first disappearance with Zaos Durothil in 450 DR and its return with Josidiah Starym? I know its current status is NDA in the realm of NDA, kept concealed by NDA until NDA happens, but I'm hoping that some light can be shed on its more distant past. Thanks in advance for whatever other than NDA you can tell us.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Markustay
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Posted - 19 Jul 2009 :  02:11:06  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
@BRian J. - Thanx for the response; I remember you saying something to that effect, but I wasn't sure if you learned anything new since that article was released.

quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

And how long will we have to wait to see that map, Mark? And I hope you're keeping 4E changes to a separate version of the map... as much as I've resigned myself to the reality of 4E, that doesn't mean I like the geography any more... apart from the undesertifiation of Anauroch.

The new one is in a more useful format, with an index. Its a pdf Atlas, fully referenced. There will be seperate layers for everything so DMs can print-out what they want (and what they don't want their players to see).

I do plan a "4e layer"... eventually.

Since that's an eventually tacked-onto my already Sage-like () concept of time, thats like me saying you'll see it the day after forever.

But seriously, more gets done each day... I'm hoping the wait will be worth it.

Anyhow, just to keep this on-topic, I too would like to know what was meant by an 'enhanced' Halaster (increase use of Weave-hamdling). It almost sounds like she made him a Chosen... almost...

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 19 Jul 2009 02:14:40
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Jakk
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Mmm... yummy... so does this mean that the original image-file map is history? Or is it still around in some form as a source to work from? And in your continued search for locations of places, were you able to locate all of the mythal cities? (Apologies to Ed and the mods for cluttering up Ed's scroll; it stops now. Mods: If you want to excise this map-chatter and place it in a new scroll, please do so; I can see it growing based on what Mark has most recently said here.)

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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The Sage
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Candlekeep currently doesn't have the function for allowing discussions to be split into new scrolls, unfortunately. 'Tis coming with Candlekeep 2, though.

In the meantime, if both you and Markus wish to continue with this mapping chatter, I'd suggest you open a new scroll on the General Forgotten Realms Chat shelf.

Now, back to questions for Ed of the Greenwood...

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