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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  00:43:52  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  01:39:29  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I really doubt there is any Mage of power in Faerūn... perhaps even all of Toril*... that Elminster hasn't 'met' and evaluated. I say 'met' because it most-likely was in disquise, and the other mage was probably completely unaware that he had met Elminster.
I'd probably expand the scope of El's reach when evaluating other mages of power. We know he's a semi-frequent planewalker, and that the Old Mage likes to visit other worlds/planes, to explore, battle threats beyond, and such. So I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn that he's often evaluated the many other wizards of considerable power that he encounters during his extra-planar travels.

In fact, given the wide planar scope my Realms actually has, through the background lore I've written for my own PLANESCAPE games, I've already established this particular piece of lore for my own interpretation of Elminster.

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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  01:42:22  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Heh. Markustay, yes to El checking out mages in disguise, and yes to some of them tumbling to it and him knowing they know and so on, and YES to Mystra having Chosen outside Faerun.
About which I'll see just how much I can wheedle Ed into saying...
love,
THO

I'd like to add a bit to Markus's original question, milady, if I may.

Ed, I'd also like to hear more about any Chosen of Mystra who might reside [or, maybe, once did reside] beyond Toril itself, perhaps somewhere else out among the reaches of Realmspace?

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Baleful Avatar
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  02:44:48  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
My thanks to Garen Thal for that Cormyr answer. It was more than I actually expected to get, and I, too, am excited by the possibility of someone beavering away behind the scenes on our beloved Forest Kingdom.
Speaking of which: is Ed now working, or has he recently been working, on anything related to Cormyr?
(Hey, if I'm going to daringly ask questions, I'm going to be DARING, okay?)
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  02:47:11  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Purrrr. I LIKE daring men.
So I'm going to answer you in two ways: Ed can't tell you anything about what he's been working on recently, or is working on now.
I, however, have done some snooping, and I can tell you: yes.
Just that, no more.
Now, doesn't that set your daring mind at ease?
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  03:00:34  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, and while I'm being naughty, Wooly: I used to look really hot dressed as a school girl (that is, the sort that wears glasses and a school uniform). Now, I'm sufficiently matured/decayed that I look like a school teacher - - or perhaps like an aging porn star dressed up a school girl. Not so much hot as . . . lewd.
Which is (ahem) so out of character for me, and for this thread, that I think we'd better say no more about it.
So to bring this back to Realmslore, and to tease Baleful Avatar a little more, here's a sentence of Realmslore from Ed's pre-1986, never published notes (not covered by TSR/WotC's copyright, because it was never submitted to them, after they expressly said 'don't send any more, that's more than enough"), a sentence that should also be of great interest to Markustay and others interested in the Chosen:


Among the most seldom-seen of the Chosen were the sorceresses Taerele and Jalathleena, the first because she dwelt far to the east of Faerun and had little to do with humankind or other civilizations, being primarily concerned with repairing the Weave and learning to master its manipulation, and the second because she loved walking the multiverse, and pleaded with Mystra to take on the role of Mystra's 'procurer,' bringing back items, magic, enchanted items, plants, and even sentient creatures from myriad planes to Faerun and the lands around it.


So saith Ed. I'm thinking these notes date from around 1982, judging by what they're written in and Ed's handwriting (which deteriorated over his years of schooling, as he was forced to take notes faster and faster by various teachers who filled blackboards full of notes before class, all around the classroom, and slid them aside to reveal a second layer of note-filled blackboards, then started erasing the earliest boards in the sequence and continuing the notes . . . and their classes, writing hard and cramping as they did so, silently cursed. And sometimes not so silently, too.)
I've never shared this before because I thought it was too Tolkien-like (shades of the "blue" Istari who went east and right out of the story, never to be heard from again). Once TSR got hold of the Chosen and started treating them as comic book superheroes, I think Ed wanted to keep very quiet about various "other Chosen," too, to put the brakes on what was fast becoming an arms race - - but that's just my take on it; we've never actually discussed this, he and I.
So enjoy, scribes!
love to all,
THO

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createvmind
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  04:26:59  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Can we get any lore on anything of interest that you would have had Jalathleena bring back to Toril and where it would have been kept in your home game, creatures, plants, items, anything?
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  08:04:56  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
You say that they were among 'the most seldom seen'. But do the Chosen we know of know them? Or is it that some (Elminster) know and others don't?

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Markustay
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  14:48:29  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Good question, Menelvagor, and thanks for that tidbit, THO. I'm sure I'll use it somewhere.

And lewd can be... interesting... under the right circumstances.

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I'd probably expand the scope of El's reach when evaluating other mages of power. We know he's a semi-frequent planewalker, and that the Old Mage likes to visit other worlds/planes, to explore, battle threats beyond, and such. So I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn that he's often evaluated the many other wizards of considerable power that he encounters during his extra-planar travels.

In fact, given the wide planar scope my Realms actually has, through the background lore I've written for my own PLANESCAPE games, I've already established this particular piece of lore for my own interpretation of Elminster.
I stated multiple times on these forums how I used to run Greyhawk, until 'forced' to run FR for my brother-in-law and his friends (a group of teens wanting to learn the game). Since I was a proficient GH DM but knew very little about the Realms, I 'ported' over quite a bit, and my Elminster was one of those things I stole from my GH games.

You see, Tenser didn't die, son, he just went home...*

I married my two campaigns in other ways, like the fact that Mordenkainen is the real Khelbun Arunsun. I had a lot of fun putting all the things I loved about GH into FR, and looking back, I think it was kind of fitting that El was a member of the Circle of Eight (although I'd probably make him Serten now, if I were to revisit that storyline). Considering Mystra was Wee Jas' BFF, its not all that far-fetched.

I've also played with the idea of Elminster having been Merlin. Since that figure from folklore was known to "come and go as he pleased" and was often not to be found I thought it would work, and when I read that Ed's version of Elminster was very similar to the Merlin character in Excalibur, I thought it was an even better fit. I never used that plothook, though - I could never figure-out a way of using it without sending a party to medieval Earth... and that I wouldn't do.


*with apologies to Tommy Lee Jones for stealing his Elvis line.

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Edited by - Markustay on 08 Jul 2009 14:49:12
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  15:45:46  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Menelvagor, re. this: "Or is it that some (Elminster) know and others don't?"
Yes. That's it, exactly. As Ed put it to me:

Most Chosen know most of the other Chosen, but usually only work with a few of them, or work alone. Some Chosen aren't aware of certain other Chosen at all.

I'm thinking Ed will give us a few more hints about these Chosen, in the days ahead.
love,
THO
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edappel
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Brazil
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  18:41:49  Show Profile  Click to see edappel's MSN Messenger address Send edappel a Private Message
Hello again THO.
With the wish to Alan's message from Elminster, I asked Ed if he could send a greeting message to all FR Brazilians fans. I know that probably I'm asking too much, but even so I should try..
I already have Lee Byers, Erik and Rosemary's messages, they are kind of making some promotions to their books, but I think Ed could tell something more about the world itself and the distinguished value of the novels to the lore of the Realms.

I'm kind of making a "marketing" for all novels, after receiving some more messages, I'll compile them all and send to many comunitys and blogs around my country. (I feel so lonely being a FR novels reader around here... I'm even making a blog to put my reviews, trying to find another addicted reader like me)

Thanks again, and I don't wanna spend Ed's time with something unused.. But I really think it could help even him indirectly.

--- Ed Appel

*** I'm a brazilian FR fan. So, feel free to correct my writing mistakes to improve my english.

Edited by - edappel on 08 Jul 2009 18:43:17
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Blueblade
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  18:49:05  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Ed's a great guy. I'm sure he'll do that even if it didn't earn him a penny in book sales.
I suspect he was just angling for some more soft, sweet THO "persuasion."
Ahem, speaking of which: Dear Ed and THO, in Cormyr circa 1370s, how socially acceptable is it among the common folk for seduction (or the withholding of intimacy, even among wedded couples) to be used to get someone to do something or not do something. Is it frowned upon? Or . . .?
(This is for campaign purposes.) Thanks!
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 :  20:13:01  Show Profile  Visit BEAST's Homepage Send BEAST a Private Message
Thank ye kindly for the Emelyn info, THO/Ed. I reckoned as much, but now I have more than just my personal suspicion. :)

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Markustay
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Posted - 09 Jul 2009 :  15:21:12  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
@Blueblade - you're poking a stick into the core of human nature - using whatever you have available to get what you want.

And we all know what the "oldest profession" is...

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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rjfras
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Posted - 09 Jul 2009 :  21:20:47  Show Profile  Visit rjfras's Homepage Send rjfras a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

@Blueblade - you're poking a stick into the core of human nature - using whatever you have available to get what you want.

And we all know what the "oldest profession" is...


now what did the hunters and farmers ever do to you?
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Markustay
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Posted - 09 Jul 2009 :  22:26:11  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Aside from food, there was other... stuff... they were 'hunting' and 'gathering'.

How does that old saying go? "The mightiest hunter gets the most tail"?

And the best tail gets the mightiest hunter. Using ones... assets... has always been a way to get something you wanted but were unable to obtain on your own. A cavewoman had to do what a cavewoman had to do, and all that.

Applying this to the Realms, someone like The Shadowsil managed to recieve training by both Elminster and Manshoon... obviously she had some mighty fine assets.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 09 Jul 2009 22:26:56
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 10 Jul 2009 :  01:53:29  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ahem.
Some of which are what you were thinking about, yes, but more importantly (as Ed revealed in play with the Knights, long ago) because The Shadowsil had a natural "wild talent" to pluck energy from the Weave and use it to briefly (as, in, one or two spells a day, tops) "boost" her spells (not give her extra spells, but increase the power of the spells she was casting). So Elminster didn't want her wandering the world without training . . . and Manshoon wanted to exploit her powers. She in turn wanted power, importance, and respect, so she went to one wizard after the other to get it.
With ultimately tragic results, as you know...
Ed has built thousands of little "life tales" like that into the Realms.
love,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Jul 2009 :  03:26:34  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ahem.
Some of which are what you were thinking about, yes, but more importantly (as Ed revealed in play with the Knights, long ago) because The Shadowsil had a natural "wild talent" to pluck energy from the Weave and use it to briefly (as, in, one or two spells a day, tops) "boost" her spells (not give her extra spells, but increase the power of the spells she was casting). So Elminster didn't want her wandering the world without training . . . and Manshoon wanted to exploit her powers. She in turn wanted power, importance, and respect, so she went to one wizard after the other to get it.
With ultimately tragic results, as you know...
Ed has built thousands of little "life tales" like that into the Realms.
love,
THO



That's a nifty ability...

It also brings to mind some of the innate talents mentioned in Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work , now available from the Wizards downloads page), or Naoni Dyre's ability to weave anything into cloth...

All of which of course begs the question, O Lovely Lady Hooded One, can you or Ed share some more of these interesting wild/innate talents?

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Markustay
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Posted - 10 Jul 2009 :  03:44:40  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Which means Ed invented meta-magical Feats before WotC did.

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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Jul 2009 :  06:03:24  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ed has built thousands of little "life tales" like that into the Realms.
Indeed. And this Shadowsil tidbit has me hungry for more.

Any chance, Ed, that you can share a few more little "life tales" for other NPCs, even if only briefly?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 10 Jul 2009 :  16:19:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi.
"Which means Ed invented meta-magical Feats before WotC did."

But of course. Ed has invented or created SO much for the D&D game. . .
love,
THO
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 10 Jul 2009 :  17:00:20  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
The recent mention of the Shadowsil raises in me this question: Is there a place with a complete story of the Shadowsil (or at least as complete as written in published books)? Or a list of books she sppears in?

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 10 Jul 2009 :  18:45:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all.
No, Menelvagor, I'm afraid there isn't. I DO think there are some short glimpses not yet published in official Realmslore, plus what was seen in THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS and SPELLFIRE and one other book that I'm blanking on at the moment. Sorry.
love,
THO
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Zandilar
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Posted - 11 Jul 2009 :  00:31:34  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

When I was casting around for ideas for names for my Death Knights in WoW, I decided on Shadowsil and Ashemmi. Shadowsil has since gone on to become my main character (before Death Knights I was a die hard Hunter player). I know, how unimaginative of me.

Buuuuut I did actually have two (multi-part) questions...

Question the first: A centaur arrives in Neverwinter in the company of a pair of adventurers. Where would said centaur find accommodation, and what form would it take? How would she be received by the watch and by the townsfolk?

Question two: The centaur wishes to be trained by an itinerant priestess of Sharess who is currently residing in the city. One of the adventurers is this priestess's protege. The church doesn't have a formal presence in the city, nor a building of its own (which is why the centaur needs to find her own accommodations) - but I suspect that the protege is planning to establish one at some point when she has enough money to do so. What hoops would the protege (who is well regarded by some amongst the powers that be, and has a small amount of fame in the city itself for spoiling a plot by Aurilites to bring winter to Neverwinter) have to jump through in order to gain permission to set up a temple to Sharess within the city limits? What part of the city would the temple be permitted to be built and/or set up in?

Yes, this does concern an on-going game, but there's no real rush for answers. I'm sure we can make it up as we go along, so I ask more out of curiosity than anything else.

Zandilar
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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.

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Jakk
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Reviving two old topics here...
1) Has the identity of the mysterious Cormyte author been guessed and/or revealed? (I hope I'm using the correct adjectival form here.)

2) Has that equally mysterious and long-delayed announcement pending from Back East been made yet?

That's all; any other questions I have, I suspect I've already asked them, and either way the answers are all bound up in NDA red tape.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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