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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 08 Feb 2012 :  04:13:28  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Steven is certainly the best placed to comment on this. I was only told that it had been put up as the the next Arcane Age product after Cormanthyr. When WotC decided to go in a different direction and stop that line of releases, the product was canned.

Steven, being Steven, had already done a lot of elven back story with Cormanthyr and so it was I think a natural extension to look at things like the Descent of the Drow and provide players with a chance to play "kewl drow" (or at the very least people from the future interacting with old-style drow). It no doubt would have provided a vehicle to flesh out the Ilythiiri, the drow pantheon in the Realms, the drow diaspora that followed that destruction of that realm and a host of other things.

Personally, I'm not sure it would have had the utility of Cormanthyr or the potential of Netheril, but Steven would have made it yummy!

Those were the days when lore was king and mechanics took a backseat. We lived by the FRA one-line statline mantra. And it was good. May we see those days again.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer

USA
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Posted - 08 Feb 2012 :  04:18:33  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Those were the days when lore was king and mechanics took a backseat. We lived by the FRA one-line statline mantra. And it was good. May we see those days again.
Amen brother. And sooner than you may think.

Brian R. James - Freelance Game Designer

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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 08 Feb 2012 :  04:49:49  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Those were the days when lore was king and mechanics took a backseat. We lived by the FRA one-line statline mantra. And it was good. May we see those days again.
Amen brother. And sooner than you may think.
Really? Do tell, Brian! Of course, you probably can't say anything more than "NDA" at the moment, right? Well, I suppose I can be patient... or try, at least... since being patient certainly is trying for me. I'll post my follow-up question for Brian in his own scroll... but I do have a question for George while I'm here: I'm curious as to what you've been working on Realms-wise lately. Anything you can share with us?

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Feb 2012 :  06:29:48  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I hear ya. My 2E era memories are like the golden days of D&D and would love to see a return to that. I always liked how 2E did stat blocks with a name, level, alignment and maybe hit points. Sweet, simple, about one sentence long and allows for more lore in the product.
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 08 Feb 2012 :  18:19:45  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Steven is certainly the best placed to comment on this. I was only told that it had been put up as the the next Arcane Age product after Cormanthyr. When WotC decided to go in a different direction and stop that line of releases, the product was canned.

Steven, being Steven, had already done a lot of elven back story with Cormanthyr and so it was I think a natural extension to look at things like the Descent of the Drow and provide players with a chance to play "kewl drow" (or at the very least people from the future interacting with old-style drow). It no doubt would have provided a vehicle to flesh out the Ilythiiri, the drow pantheon in the Realms, the drow diaspora that followed that destruction of that realm and a host of other things.

Personally, I'm not sure it would have had the utility of Cormanthyr or the potential of Netheril, but Steven would have made it yummy!

Those were the days when lore was king and mechanics took a backseat. We lived by the FRA one-line statline mantra. And it was good. May we see those days again.

-- George Krashos




I'm not sure what's still under an NDA anymore, nor can I find much more than a line proposal re: Arcane Age beyond the 4 products that exist.

Scanning my notes, I find Telantiwar was a 3rd choice for the next Arcane Age behind Shanatar and Ammarindar (as we'd done drow a lot at that point and needed more dwarf material, in my opinion at least).

As it is, I suspect most if not all of my notes, as George noted, got folded into Lands of Intrigue, Empires of the Shining Sea, and a few other places by me and most got subsumed and expanded (at least the notes I had) by Eric Boyd into Drizzt's Guide to the Underdark.

Still, quite the flashback here, folks; thanks, George, for the kind words--here's hoping we can coordinate a Gen Con reunion one of these years, but not this coming one alas.

Steven

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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 08 Feb 2012 :  18:29:24  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Steven is certainly the best placed to comment on this. I was only told that it had been put up as the the next Arcane Age product after Cormanthyr. When WotC decided to go in a different direction and stop that line of releases, the product was canned.

Steven, being Steven, had already done a lot of elven back story with Cormanthyr and so it was I think a natural extension to look at things like the Descent of the Drow and provide players with a chance to play "kewl drow" (or at the very least people from the future interacting with old-style drow). It no doubt would have provided a vehicle to flesh out the Ilythiiri, the drow pantheon in the Realms, the drow diaspora that followed that destruction of that realm and a host of other things.

Personally, I'm not sure it would have had the utility of Cormanthyr or the potential of Netheril, but Steven would have made it yummy!

-- George Krashos




quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

I'm not sure what's still under an NDA anymore, nor can I find much more than a line proposal re: Arcane Age beyond the 4 products that exist.

Scanning my notes, I find Telantiwar was a 3rd choice for the next Arcane Age behind Shanatar and Ammarindar (as we'd done drow a lot at that point and needed more dwarf material, in my opinion at least).

As it is, I suspect most if not all of my notes, as George noted, got folded into Lands of Intrigue, Empires of the Shining Sea, and a few other places by me and most got subsumed and expanded (at least the notes I had) by Eric Boyd into Drizzt's Guide to the Underdark.

Steven



Personally, I would have gone with Imaskar as the third Arcane Age setting... but I guess the similarity to Netheril was thought to be too great; at least, that's the only reasoning I can think of. But hearing about Telantiwar, Shanatar, and Ammarindar does make me curious... and I agree with you, George; any Realms product by Steven is worth more than the cover price, regardless of its era. I'd prefer to have him work with the Realms he knows best, of course...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Feb 2012 :  20:36:18  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
An Arcane Age focused on the old dwarven realms would have really been cool too. Tethyamar would be really cool to learn more about as it's one of the dwarven realms that never has really received much coverage, as far as I know. I always found it strange that how it was so near the Dales and Moonsea, which have been covered rather well we don't know more about it. Makes a person wonder why and I bet there would be an awesome story there.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 09 Feb 2012 :  13:53:30  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
... but I do have a question for George while I'm here: I'm curious as to what you've been working on Realms-wise lately. Anything you can share with us?



Working on? Nothing of substance. My hobby predilections wax and wane over periods and my energies have been focused in other areas of late.

I'd long toyed with updating my Impiltur article for 4E but with the announcement of the next iteration, I've definitely shelved that project. I want to see where the Realms goes before I commit time and energy to further development work. I learned that lesson with my "Mantles" work which I finished on the cusp of the announcement of 4E ...

I do find that I need a kickstart though, so if anyone wants to ask any questions here about ... well, just about anything Realmsian, I'd be more than happy to do some weaving.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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xaeyruudh
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USA
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Posted - 12 Feb 2012 :  04:59:17  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

I do find that I need a kickstart though, so if anyone wants to ask any questions here about ... well, just about anything Realmsian, I'd be more than happy to do some weaving.

-- George Krashos





I believe I heard an invitation. So here's my interest. Before everything went kaboom there were some hints dropped here and there in 3e products that there were sarrukh under Faerun in various places (Oreme and Okoth, at least... others?) and they were awakening... not merely waking up to pee and then zonk out again, but actually reaching out to their minion-races, scrying on Faerun, etc.

This has become one of the major engines driving my personal campaign, which may never get out of the writing stage, but I'm naturally curious...

Was there an official design plan afoot? Were you involved, or would you have been interested? If so, how would you go about setting up their return?

Edit: I guess I should have noted... My Realms has remained in 3e --by necessity since 4e eradicated Mulhorand-- and I haven't kept up on 4e lore.

Edited by - xaeyruudh on 12 Feb 2012 05:18:41
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 15 Feb 2012 :  19:15:43  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

I do find that I need a kickstart though, so if anyone wants to ask any questions here about ... well, just about anything Realmsian, I'd be more than happy to do some weaving.

-- George Krashos





I believe I heard an invitation. So here's my interest. Before everything went kaboom there were some hints dropped here and there in 3e products that there were sarrukh under Faerun in various places (Oreme and Okoth, at least... others?) and they were awakening... not merely waking up to pee and then zonk out again, but actually reaching out to their minion-races, scrying on Faerun, etc.

This has become one of the major engines driving my personal campaign, which may never get out of the writing stage, but I'm naturally curious...

Was there an official design plan afoot? Were you involved, or would you have been interested? If so, how would you go about setting up their return?

Edit: I guess I should have noted... My Realms has remained in 3e --by necessity since 4e eradicated Mulhorand-- and I haven't kept up on 4e lore.



I, too, am interested in the awakening of the sarrukh... and my Realms is also 3e, less by necessity than by circumstance; my last Realms DM ran his campaign involving the children of the PCs from the first Realms campaign he played in, which was the last 2E Realms campaign I DM'ed (he moved to the other side of the country shortly thereafter, and 3E came out shortly after that), so we were already in 1400-ish DR with Halaster and no Spellplague, not vice-versa.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 10 Mar 2012 :  07:28:32  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was Eric's researcher for Serpent Kingdoms but only got input into the design process after the skeleton was in place - that skeleton being the sarrukh. As such, I didn't get any input into their 're-awakening'.

That said, I consider the sarrukh (and the yuan-ti) to be one of the most potential-laden power groups of the Realms. In my Realms, the sarrukh are master manipulators and have extremely longterm plans to control this or that, defeat that or this, and eventually pave their way back to a pre-eminent place in the power structure of the Realms. Their modus operandi includes magical control over groups and individuals who do their bidding unwittingly. They also have mastery over some unique portal networks (keyed specifically to reptilian creatures), control over various dragons (who don't know that they've been magically 'branded' at birth to be pawns of the sarrukh when the time comes - it is thought that some dragons have come to realise this over the centuries, and that their attempts to shed these bindings have included the pursuit of dracolichdom. This has brought some elements of the sarrukh network and the Cult of the Dragon into conflict over the years), and a plethora of magic items that have well-hidden secondary Art attached to them that can allow the sarrukh to take over anyone (i.e. mentally dominate as per the spell) in physical contact with them at any time (it is rumoured that one such item did the rounds in Waterdeep decades ago, where a hidden sarrukh - who may or may not have been a Lord of Waterdeep - used it for his own ends until the Blackstaff deduced the item's sinister powers and destroyed it, gaining only a small, frustrating insight into who or what was behind it).

In addition, I've always been of the view that individuals of the Ba'etith, the creators of the Nether Scrolls, exist to this day. In very different forms, and with greatly truncated powers, these creatures (not all of whom are sarrukh) 'ride' magic items, exist in spell wards and some mythals and some unique spell books and continue to have a presence and influence on those individuals who some in contact with them.

The sarrukh can potentially pervade all. Their mastery of the Art gives them the ability to turn up in any shape, way or form where magic is present (while their physical bodies lie in stasis far, far away) and so they remain a greatly under-exposed power group of the modern Realms.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Icelander
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Posted - 16 Mar 2012 :  17:33:39  Show Profile  Visit Icelander's Homepage Send Icelander a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hail thee, Loremaster Krashos.

Lest this missive disturb your weighty studies, pray regard it not as an exhortation to creative endeavours, but merely a query of what you may have at the forefront of your mind. I will hold an answer of 'I know not' as being perfectly acceptable and an invitation to insert lore of my own, reasonably secure that it contrasts not with established lore or the vision of one who is likely to have influence in any future lore on the Demonlands.*

With no further introduction, then, my query (several, but why quibbble?):

Impiltur is a place overflowing with knights. Some of these are presumably servants of churches. Are these knighted by simple clerical fiat or by a compact between certain churches/temples (say, the Triad) and the Crown?

Are there knights with titles granted by secular authorities as well?

If so, are they all created by the Crown (either Queen Regent or the Council in her name) or can such titles be inherited, granted by nobles or even other knights?

What are the legal consequences under Impilturan law of being a 'knight'** and by what title are you addressed?


*If the powers that be prove wise, at any rate.
**That is, can you build a castle? Can you keep a small retinue or even a large private army? Do you have legal privileges? Do these apply to religious as well as secular knighthoods?

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crazedventurers
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Mar 2012 :  18:10:52  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander

Hail thee, Loremaster Krashos.
With no further introduction, then, my query (several, but why quibbble?)

Ooooh excellent series of questions, I'll definitely second that post please. I know that the Triad Crusade saved/rescued the 'Old Impiltur' from evil and chaos and made it into the 'New Impiltur', and would be really pleased to see how Knights and Barons function within 'New Impiltur'.

Cheers

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2012 :  04:08:42  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander

Hail thee, Loremaster Krashos.



Hi.

quote:

[navy]Impiltur is a place overflowing with knights. Some of these are presumably servants of churches. Are these knighted by simple clerical fiat or by a compact between certain churches/temples (say, the Triad) and the Crown?


Your answer (in some detail) can be found in "Champions of Valor" (p.88). The Knights of Imphras II are the only knightly order in official existence in Impiltur. By official, I mean sanctioned by the monarchy. The various holy orders of the Triad noted in the "Faiths & Avatars" book do not have an independent existence in Impiltur and if they want to exist in the kingdom, must also have membership in the Knights of Imphras II.

Other religious orders of knights for other faiths cannot openly exist in Impiltur. Many faiths have members of such knightly orders present in their temples and religious properties but they cannot openly parade outside of those areas in their knightly panoply. On at least two occasions in the last decade, members of the Helmite order of paladins known as the Vigilant Eyes of the God have marched from Tsurlagol to Lyrabar to petition the Crown to allow them to operate openly in the lands of Impiltur. Their requests have been politely declined and no action has been taken against them for their flouting of the law of the realms.

quote:
Are there knights with titles granted by secular authorities as well?


Oh indeed, the Crown knights lots of individual warriors. But that is exactly what it does - knight individuals. These knights are typically know as "Loyal Knights". There are no knightly orders in Impiltur save for the Knights of Imphras II. And it is only the ruling monarch that can grant a knighthood. The regency does so in the name of the reigning monarch (yes, Impiltur has always had a reigning monarch, just a really bad run in getting them from reigning to ruling lately) but in practical terms, it is the Council of Lords who give the okay in such matters - at least until King Imbrar II takes the throne. Loyal knights are prevalently leaders or retired leaders of the Warswords of Impiltur. Very, very few knighthoods have been conferred on individuals who have not hefted a sword for the realm.

It is thought that King Lashilmbrar toyed with the idea of creating additional orders of knights - tied too him personally through that ever-effective medium known as gold - but even he baulked at having to deal with the repercussions this would have caused in dealings with the representatives of the Triad faiths.

quote:
What are the legal consequences under Impilturan law of being a 'knight'** and by what title are you addressed?
**That is, can you build a castle? Can you keep a small retinue or even a large private army? Do you have legal privileges? Do these apply to religious as well as secular knighthoods?


Impiltur is old-fashioned in terms of matters of address for knights. It uses the word "orn" instead of "sir" (Orn being an old Jhaamdathi word for 'servant'. Ornar is the plural) which has been maintained since the earliest days of the kingdom.

The legal consequences of being a knight of Impiltur are that you have a right of appeal in all legal matters to the Crown (which in the current kingdom means nothing as the Lords Courts are run by the Council and the Council also calls the shots regarding anything to do with the Crown, so these appeal rights typically only serve to allow an aggrieved party to get a bit of publicity for their cause - all such appeals are traditionally proclaimed by a herald at Court in an open audience with the petitioner, the reigning monarch, the regent and any courtiers that are "at court". The Council has let it be known that such displays can be very disadvantageous to the future prospects of any such complainants); receive a nominal stipend from the Crown on an annual basis (typically in the order of 200gp a year); gain the ability to have a coat of arms approved by a Herald; and gain the right to have an armed retinue (limited to 20 warriors of any sort which must be all named and registered with the Crown and must wear appropriate livery (i.e. clothes/tokens that allow an observer to identify which knight of the kingdom they serve) when carrying weapons in general public). Loyal knights have a standing obligation to surrender their armed retinues to service in the Warswords if "requested to" (in the name of the king of course) by any Warsword of Vigilar rank or higher or any Warwand of the realm.

Loyal knights can build castles/keeps if they so choose, and are typically encouraged to do so in the Uplands or the Farwater where they act as a local bulwark against raiders and usually act in concert with Royal Constables to assist with matters of security.

Hope this has been helpful.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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crazedventurers
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Hope this has been helpful.

-- George Krashos



Aye most helpful George, always great to hear more detailed Impilturan lore.

Cheers

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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coach
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USA
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"I do find that I need a kickstart though, so if anyone wants to ask any questions here about ... well, just about anything Realmsian, I'd be more than happy to do some weaving."

Has anyone attempted a Damaran lineage of monarchs of the kind listed in the GHotR? 'Twouldn't be that long of a line methinks

1075 – Damara became a kingdom, with the founding of Heliogabalus by Feldrin Bloodfeathers (RoF p89)
1075-???? Feldrin Bloodfeathers
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????-1347 Virdin Bloodfeathers
1347 – King Virdin Bloodfeathers of Damara is killed at the battle of Goliad (RoF p89) (GTotR p116,118) (CotR p37)
1347-1359 - no monarch, kingdom at war
1359 – Zhengyi is destroyed. Damara united under Gareth Dragonsbane (FRCS p271) (RtR p18) (GHotR p144)
1359-???? King Gareth Dragonsbane (Bloodfeathers line by marriage to Lady Christine)

Bloodstone Lands Sage

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Thauramarth
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quote:
Originally posted by coach

"I do find that I need a kickstart though, so if anyone wants to ask any questions here about ... well, just about anything Realmsian, I'd be more than happy to do some weaving."

Has anyone attempted a Damaran lineage of monarchs of the kind listed in the GHotR? 'Twouldn't be that long of a line methinks



The Northern Journey Project (in Part 7, Book 1 "The Bloodstone Story") lists thirteen kings, up and including Virdin Bloodfeathers. Not sure how official or near-official (it explicitly acknowledges several Realms Grandees, including severaal which are active here, in the Keep, but including the George Krashos). It's available from the Keep's main main (Campaign Journals -> Northern Journey).

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George Krashos
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I have great respect for the Northern Journey project and consider it one of the greatest magnum opuses of the Realms. While their vision for Impiltur and the Demonlands differed greatly from mine, they nonetheless provided a fantastic campaign backdrop. I would say you are in safe hands adopting their Damaran monarchs.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Hello George,

I'm a big fan of Cormyr, but lately Impiltur keeps popping up in my head. So I have some questions about Impiltur that I'm hoping you can answer:

I see in the write-up for Impiltur on page 202 of the FRCS that Impiltur is the “Forgotten Kingdom” in the minds of Faerunians living elsewhere.

As a sort of far away place, this got me to wondering if things might also work in reverse.

So, regarding the Twelve Lords of Imphras II: have any of these lords have ever been exiled from Impiltur and made a new life for themselves somewhere else in the Realms?

Cormyr, perhaps?

Thank you in advance for your time.

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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Hello George,

I'm a big fan of Cormyr, but lately Impiltur keeps popping up in my head. So I have some questions about Impiltur that I'm hoping you can answer:



Well of course Impiltur keeps popping into your head. It's a WAY better place than Cormyr. @Garen Thal.

quote:

I see in the write-up for Impiltur on page 202 of the FRCS that Impiltur is the “Forgotten Kingdom” in the minds of Faerunians living elsewhere.

As a sort of far away place, this got me to wondering if things might also work in reverse.

So, regarding the Twelve Lords of Imphras II: have any of these lords have ever been exiled from Impiltur and made a new life for themselves somewhere else in the Realms?

Cormyr, perhaps?

Thank you in advance for your time.



The Twelve Lords of Imphras II have all stayed in the kingdom and been loyal servants of the regency. Some have died off and been replaced by other family members (I think I set out the roster in my Impiltur article in Dragon#346), but none have been exiled. Well, not as of 1372 DR ...

I had planned for more changes for Impiltur with the accession of the new young king, and my article (very) obliquely points to evidence that Soneillon had started to wrap her tendrils around some prominent members of the Impilturian rulership - including Queen-Regent Sambryl herself.

I also liked the idea of Imbrar II doing a "clean out" when he finally assumes the rulership on his 18th birthday, involving the demotion of many of the Lords of Imphras II to administrative, titular roles. The idea was that this would have put a few noses out of joint and, coupled with Soneillon's manipulations, caused considerable tumult in the kingdom, inlcuding possibly civil war. That would all be against a sub-text of "When paladins go bad, for all the best reasons".

So, after 1372 DR, there is the possibility of one or a few former Lords of Imphras II retiring or being retired and electing to travel to Cormyr, either in an official ambassadorial role, or as a trade envoy, or just for familial reasons (whilst space has never allowed it, a considerable amount of cross-pollination between the Heltharns and the Obarskyrs/Silvers has occurred over the years).

Hope this has been helpful. Keep the questions coming!

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I had planned for more changes for Impiltur with the accession of the new young king, and my article (very) obliquely points to evidence that Soneillon had started to wrap her tendrils around some prominent members of the Impilturian rulership - including Queen-Regent Sambryl herself.
Could you possibly elaborate further on Soneillon's manipulations of Impiltur's ruling body in the late 1370's period, Krash?

I've lately been drafting a rough plot for my first Impiltur campaign [finally!], scheduled for early next year, and the reference to your article reminded me of something I'd been meaning to ask you.

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Krash, I found this scroll-query floating in the ethers, between shelves, courtesy of scribe Khondar:-
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Found a topic on the old Realms-L list where you had put together a history for Tethyamar - and was wondering if you had anything else on the subject that you'd be willing to share.

Was working on a topo map for my use of Tethyamar some time ago - and a recent inquary about it has got me wondering again...

Did you ever do anything on the clans of Tethyamar - which clans or how many served the Iron House? Or anyting at all on the subject would be welcomed.

Be really nice to get some new (even if it's not official-new-car-smellin'-cannon) lore on Dwarves - Stout folk get little attention now-a-days.

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We managed to shoe-horn my take on Tethyamar (suitably massaged and improved by Eric Boyd - he's good at that) in a sidebar in ... umm ... oh heck, can't recall if it was Champions of Ruin or Champions of Valor. I also added a bit more Tethyamar lore in GHotR in one of my lore pieces.

I'm firmly on the record as stating that dwarves need more love in the Realms. I hope that 5E sees some hugs head their way.

As for some clans of Tethyamar, I'd say that there weren't a whole heap as most of the "offshoots" from the big dwarven realms were one or two clan affairs (i.e. Mithral Hall). The Iron House was obviously the "royal family" of Tethyamar and seemingly didn't just adopt the clan name for the ruling family, or sought to differentiate itself from the clan or clans that spawned it. As to why, I lean towards an explanation that saw Tethyamar founded by two clans (I'd go with Quarrymaster and Stoneaxe) from Oghrann, with the realm initially electing its leader. That leader Thordbard, relinquished his clan name and proclaimed the founding of the Iron House, which is not a clan, but both the descriptor for the ruling family of Tethyamar and a collective alternative descriptor for the dwarves of the realm ("I am Dorn of the Iron House" is a dwarf of Tethyamar; "I am Dorn, servant of the Iron House" is a dwarf of the line of Thordbard and part of the royal household).

In dwarf lore provided to me many moons ago by Ed, he noted that such arrangements were not uncommon in dwarven history and society and noted that King Harbromm of Citadel Adbar was one such "elected" king (Harbromm being clanless due to some undetailed indiscretions in his youth, but "making good" in his later years).

Hope this has been useful.

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Thanks for the info! Much appreciated.

As for the Northern clans, listed in Dwarves Deep, that are not associated with a kingdom (i.e. FoeHammer, BlackHammer, StoneShoulder, ect.) - has there ever been anything put together on which clan formed witch kingdom?

Also - any dwarven info that you'd be willing to share would be greatly appreciated - and put to good use by this DM
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You're welcome.

Foehammer, Blackhammer and Stoneshoulder haven't received any love that I'm aware of. Elaine Cunningham introduced us to some of the Stoneshafts in her novel "Thornhold", but they're not the same.

I did however provide some dwarf lore on p.9 of this thread that you might find useful. Recently I've been working on some stuff with Eric Boyd which has touched upon a bit of dwarf lore but that might not see the light of day for a while. I also had an unpublished Dragon article way back decades ago that was titled "Khanor's Prayer Stones" which dealt with new dwarven priest spells of the North, which I ended up putting on the Realms-L. I don't have a copy as it was written on a now dead MAC. I've tried to find it on the internet, but no luck so far. I've always wondered if some FR magpie had kept a copy somewhere ...

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