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Hawkins
Great Reader
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 Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 17:16:34
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Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 18:37:13
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But they are mentioning the Drow ...  |
"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
Elender Stormfall of Suzail
"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
Varl
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 18:49:47
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I am not even clicking on that, or any other WotC links for that matter...  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 18:51:00
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I am not even clicking on that, or any other WotC links for that matter...
Well, it doesn't say anything "upsetting", if that's what you're worried about. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 03:32:11
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I am not even clicking on that, or any other WotC links for that matter...
c'mon you know you want to. Its like looking at a bad car wreck as you drive by |
When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 04:21:58
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| Literally nothing ties this one to the Realms as opposed to any generic D&D world. |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 05:58:35
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I am not even clicking on that, or any other WotC links for that matter...
Well, it doesn't say anything "upsetting", if that's what you're worried about.
It does ... if you are told that something you dont like (Warlocks for me, who are simply too powerful and too boring and too much Sith-like and unstylish for D&D) is commonly practiced by a race you like. |
If you cant say what youre meaning,
you can never mean what youre saying.
- Centauri Minister of Intelligence, Babylon 5 |
Edited by - Pandora on 13 Aug 2008 05:59:14 |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
729 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:50:29
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I am not even clicking on that, or any other WotC links for that matter...
c'mon you know you want to. Its like looking at a bad car wreck as you drive by
Yeah, it's that morbid fascination we have with a dying Realms. I have personally downloaded each and every "Realms Excerpt" to my lore collection, even if I loathe doing it. *sigh* I think I should just go cold turkey, and totally ignore this -- and subsequent excerpts. |
Lost for words? Find them in the Glossary of Phrases, Sayings & Words of the Realms
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 17:28:01
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| The powers are neat... but I'm still annoyed the Shadow weave still exists. |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 18:00:00
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I haven't read the excerpts yet because and I have no time for it at the moment as it's about time for me to start my gaming session. But I will read them when I'm back home.
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Originally posted by SirUrza
The powers are neat... but I'm still annoyed the Shadow weave still exists.
But how can the Shadow Weave still exist? I thought it was bound to the Weave, and thus with the death of Mystra is destroyed. Does this mean that some deity took over Mystra's job and the Weave is still "alive"?
Damn I'm getting really curious about the new Realms and I have to downoad it as soon as possible (I'm afraid it's just isn't worth buying). |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 19:01:48
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Originally posted by Faraer
Literally nothing ties this one to the Realms as opposed to any generic D&D world.
Yeah, it pretty much reads like a regular core article. Nothing wrong with "core", but it doesn't feel like a Realms excerpt. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 19:03:27
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Originally posted by SirUrza
The powers are neat... but I'm still annoyed the Shadow weave still exists.
Yes and no. There's a "Shadow" source of power, but apparently it has no connection to Shar anymore. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 19:11:49
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by SirUrza
The powers are neat... but I'm still annoyed the Shadow weave still exists.
Yes and no. There's a "Shadow" source of power, but apparently it has no connection to Shar anymore.
Basic question: How can there be shadow without light? So if "the Weave" is gone the "Shadow Weave" should have gone as well. To get shadows you not only need light, but that light has to come from a direction and not come from "everywhere" (after "the Weave" got dispersed into a mist (?) as I would guess). So if there is a "shadow source" there should be a "light source" as well, but then I may be wrong because I am applying "real world logic and physics" to a magical world which can have anything the designers want ... even pink elephants which can fly. |
If you cant say what youre meaning,
you can never mean what youre saying.
- Centauri Minister of Intelligence, Babylon 5 |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 19:14:33
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| IIRC, Rich Baker stated that the shadow at first survived the destruction of the weave (by Shar's direct intervention, I presume), buter later also disbanded. The Shadow source power is something different. But I have no sources for that, sorry. |
"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
Elender Stormfall of Suzail
"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
Varl
FR/D&D-Links • 2ed Downloads |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 20:11:47
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Originally posted by Pandora
Basic question: How can there be shadow without light? So if "the Weave" is gone the "Shadow Weave" should have gone as well.
Great question, but in this case the Weave kinda is still there (it's the "Arcane" power source), it's just that no god has control over it anymore. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 00:23:04
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
IIRC, Rich Baker stated that the shadow at first survived the destruction of the weave (by Shar's direct intervention, I presume), buter later also disbanded. The Shadow source power is something different. But I have no sources for that, sorry.
Hmmm ... another theory:
If Mystra's survival was linked to the existance of the Weave, shouldnt Shar be linked to the Shadow Weave in the same way if she and "her Weave" were the "antithesis"? If the Shadow Weave "disbands", how could Shar have survived? I think I read somewhere that Shar "created" the Shadow Weave, so she could have disbanded it, but creating something so complex should be an investment of a major part of someones focus - kinda like a dwarven smith (cf. Bruenor ??) who creates one magical weapon and gives of his own personality in the process, but on a much bigger scale.
Both times the Weave got a "hiccup" (Karsus draining Mystryl, Time of Troubles) the goddess of magic died, so it would seem logical the same should happen to the controler of a second "weave". Maybe 4e Shar isnt the same as a 3e Shar though (would be logical too, since she is more powerful apparently). |
If you cant say what youre meaning,
you can never mean what youre saying.
- Centauri Minister of Intelligence, Babylon 5 |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 00:31:21
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Originally posted by Pandora
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
IIRC, Rich Baker stated that the shadow at first survived the destruction of the weave (by Shar's direct intervention, I presume), buter later also disbanded. The Shadow source power is something different. But I have no sources for that, sorry.
Hmmm ... another theory:
If Mystra's survival was linked to the existance of the Weave, shouldnt Shar be linked to the Shadow Weave in the same way if she and "her Weave" were the "antithesis"? If the Shadow Weave "disbands", how could Shar have survived? I think I read somewhere that Shar "created" the Shadow Weave, so she could have disbanded it, but creating something so complex should be an investment of a major part of someones focus - kinda like a dwarven smith (cf. Bruenor ??) who creates one magical weapon and gives of his own personality in the process, but on a much bigger scale.
Both times the Weave got a "hiccup" (Karsus draining Mystryl, Time of Troubles) the goddess of magic died, so it would seem logical the same should happen to the controler of a second "weave". Maybe 4e Shar isnt the same as a 3e Shar though (would be logical too, since she is more powerful apparently).
IIRC, the Shadow Weave wasn't a part of Shar as the Weave was Mystra. I think this was talked about in Magic of Faerun but I don't remember off hand.
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Ack! I seem to have too much blood in my coffee stream!
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