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sfdragon
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 :  17:57:28  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

A little bird (no, not Ed; he's anything but "little;" this particular bird is American, and dwells very near a seacoast) has told me there will soon be a major announcement regarding the Realms. Scribes, keep eyes peeled . . .
love to all,
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 :  20:55:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hmm, probably at Wizards, though the little bird lives near the seacoast where the sun rises, not the one whereover the sun sets . . .

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An east coast wizards warbler?

My that's a rare species indeed. Any clues as to when the announcement shall be made?

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Rare? I wasn't even aware that such a species existed. Mind you, I learn new things about the Realms every day, even without the 4e material...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

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OK, I have a question for the Sage Most Knowledgable (related to lore 3e and before):

Since the Realms is polytheistic in the sense that many people worship many deities, often equally (I may be wrong here), and not just that there are many different deities to worship, what happens to the souls of those who worship many deities in life, and not just one (this confuses me, because often in the novels worship comes in the form that the individual worships one specific deity of the many deities available; something that I like to think of "monotheistic polytheism if you please). It seems unfair that they would stuck in with either the Faithless or the False.

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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 :  00:00:13  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all.
HawkinstheDM, here's a quote from Ed's long-ago lore notes (sent to TSR back in 1987, I believe, after the "first flood" of Realms documents):


In the Realms, souls of dying humans (if not prevented from "drifting" by magic) go to the deity they are formally dedicated or bound to (their "patron deity"), if any.
Failing that, they go to the deity they were serving (performing a task, service, penance, or geas for), or obeying the clergy of, at the time of death.
Failing that, they go to the deity they have MOST served (worshipped, made offerings to, and participated in the rituals of) in life, if the did so deliberately (i.e. not if duped or if believing they were actually venerating another deity).
Only those who have renounced (directly, by word or resolve or in dreams, not necessarily in public before clergy, or by desecrating an altar or temple or repudiating clergy, though these "count" if not opposed by resolve, too) all faiths are considered "Faithless." Note: this does NOT mean not "believing in" the gods, this means not accepting that their influence is worthwhile or should extend to the person's self, or that their clergy should be obeyed.
In all cases except those dedicated to a patron deity (which obviously includes all clergy, paladins, hermits, and sworn servants) and those who perish while serving a deity, any greater god may decide, for the deity's own purposes, to force the drifting soul into another sort of body (reincarnation: rebirth as another species) or to be reborn as an innocent new human (a babe who remembers nothing of a previous life until future trauma, dreams, or the shock of polymorph or other magical contact "restores" some memories).
In the case of the dedicated and those who perish while serving a deity, only the deity they are dedicated to (regardless of deity type/status) can cause this reincarnation or rebirth (deity's choice), and can choose if the mortal is reborn knowing nothing of their previous life, or some important things (such as, ahem, which deity they are devoted to) of their previous life, with more memories to automatically begin to return to them, later in life.
Please note that there are magics that can ruin minds, making rebirth automatically "innocent" or even impossible, and there are magics that can limit the influence of deities on drifting spirits (such as the location of the dying person inside a consecrated temple - - not shrine - - of another, opposed deity). Deities who customarily work together (Mystra and Azuth, Silvanus and Eldath, et cetera) will never block the influence of a "friendly" deity for such purposes.
My intent in the home Realms campaign is that death (where raise dead magics are not involved) can be a great setback in an adventuring career, but not a total loss of character experience, but I appreciate that a publisher doing business in a strongly "literal" Christian marketplace may wish to handle such things differently, or omit rules mention of them altogether. That call must be yours.


So saith Ed, all those years ago. Obviously, slade (Dale Hensen) took a different tack when writing Realmspace, but I recall some Realms designers and editors saying at a GenCon not long after its publication that parts of that product were "non-canon" and so DMs should feel "very free, more even than when we just talk about the rules being guidelines" to ignore information on the afterlife that didn't fit with their own concepts, for the particular campaign.
I hope this is of help. A ticklish subject to some, obviously, and one hopes that mere game material will not cause dispute or upset among gamers except in terms of game utility and self-consistency.
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 24 Oct 2008 00:02:52
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 :  00:25:35  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hmm, probably at Wizards, though the little bird lives near the seacoast where the sun rises, not the one whereover the sun sets . . .

love,
THO



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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 :  00:57:36  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Obviously, slade (Dale Hensen) took a different tack when writing Realmspace, but I recall some Realms designers and editors saying at a GenCon not long after its publication that parts of that product were "non-canon" and so DMs should feel "very free, more even than when we just talk about the rules being guidelines" to ignore information on the afterlife that didn't fit with their own concepts, for the particular campaign.


Were the afterlife bits the only non-canon parts, or were there others? Because as much as I like Spelljammer and that particular product, I don't like it nearly as much from an FR standpoint.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 :  01:16:32  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Wooly, I recall audience members asking more than a few questions at that seminar, trying to get the panelists (TSR staffers all) to be more specific, but no one would get specific (obviously under orders not to; I recall some of them looking along the table at Bruce Heard, obviously to get signals from him as to how far they could go and what they could say). So I'm afraid I can't get more specific, because they didn't. Sorry.
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THO
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Jamallo Kreen
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I have several d20 books about the fiends and the Bad Places of the afterlife (e.g. Hell) and am curious if Ed makes allowances for the selling of one's soul to a Bad Thing, who may then process it or reprocess it into a minor demon or devil (or have it for lunch, to the total undoing of said soul)?





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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 :  02:18:06  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
(this confuses me, because often in the novels worship comes in the form that the individual worships one specific deity of the many deities available; something that I like to think of "monotheistic polytheism if you please)
It's called henotheism. What novels do you you find it in?
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Kamuraki
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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 :  03:21:24  Show Profile  Visit Kamuraki's Homepage Send Kamuraki a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

I have several d20 books about the fiends and the Bad Places of the afterlife (e.g. Hell) and am curious if Ed makes allowances for the selling of one's soul to a Bad Thing, who may then process it or reprocess it into a minor demon or devil (or have it for lunch, to the total undoing of said soul)?



Yeah, and what about financing your soul? Can demons take out a mortgage on your soul? Can you repossess your soul if the demon fails to live up to his side of the bargain?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 :  03:41:53  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Heh. Wooly, I recall audience members asking more than a few questions at that seminar, trying to get the panelists (TSR staffers all) to be more specific, but no one would get specific (obviously under orders not to; I recall some of them looking along the table at Bruce Heard, obviously to get signals from him as to how far they could go and what they could say). So I'm afraid I can't get more specific, because they didn't. Sorry.
love,
THO



Ah, well. Just knowing that parts of it are not considered canon makes me feel better, because I've never entirely liked the fact that I didn't considered that book Realms-canon.

Still, it lacked the glaring canon contradictions of Krynnspace. That supplement made me wonder if the Spelljammer books that were written to connect to other settings were being written without knowledge of those settings.

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Oh, and adding to my ever-growing queue, with four unrelated (and likely to be tackled at separate times) queries...

What kinds of fae did Ed's version of the Realms have?

Are there Realmsian versions of Walpurgis Night? Not necessarily days when the boundary between the dead and the living was weaker, but days when any particular planar/metaphysical boundaries were weaker.

Can you tell us more about the hargaunt? We know it's a kind of symbiote and that it allows its wearer to change appearances (and apparently blocks magic from revealing that), but what else can you tell us about it?

And last... Page 68 of Swords of Dragonfire listed some items I didn't recognize from elsewhere, and I was wondering if you could say anything about them. The quote:
quote:
Darlock's six tasked spirits
The Crown of the Slayer
The Hunting Blade
The Door Into Nowhere
The wandering cloaks of wyvernshape
And dead Emmaera Dragonfire
Who left so many silent flying swords
To guard her enchanted bones


As always, thank you for your time!


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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Heh. Wooly, I recall audience members asking more than a few questions at that seminar, trying to get the panelists (TSR staffers all) to be more specific, but no one would get specific (obviously under orders not to; I recall some of them looking along the table at Bruce Heard, obviously to get signals from him as to how far they could go and what they could say). So I'm afraid I can't get more specific, because they didn't. Sorry.
love,
THO



Ah, well. Just knowing that parts of it are not considered canon makes me feel better, because I've never entirely liked the fact that I didn't considered that book Realms-canon.

Still, it lacked the glaring canon contradictions of Krynnspace. That supplement made me wonder if the Spelljammer books that were written to connect to other settings were being written without knowledge of those settings.

Indeed. Thankfully, we have Trampas "DragonHelm" Whiteman's efforts over at the DL Nexus which help to work out a few of the more glaring contradictions that exist in Krynnspace.

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Additionally, I've kinda got a new query forming that'll likely add to my own backlog. The problem is, it is somewhat personal in nature, but does also touch significantly on Realmslore -- particularly the issue of religion/belief. I may just email it direct to Ed, my Lady, and you can judge whether I should share it with the rest of the scribes here at Candlekeep [or at least the part that's relevant to the Realms].

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Well met!

While poking through Dwarves Deep I chanced upon the name of (Fallen) King Javilaharr "the Dark" Snowsord and I began to wonder: are there any human traditions about a long-lost, long-prophesied heir to some lost kingdom, someone of "royal" descent who is considered by traditionalists to be the True King of their lost kingdom? {Whatever happened to L____, anyway? Tethyr has a Queen, but where's You-Know-Who?) Are there any "Kings Across the Water," deposed but still believed to be the rightwise king? Are there any human traditions about once and future kings or hero-kings who lie "sleeping" until their country needs them?

(Monarchism is so infectious. It's time to take a sniff of the old Liberty Tree, I reckon!)




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{Whatever happened to L____, anyway? Tethyr has a Queen, but where's You-Know-Who?)

Tethyr has a King and Queen. Guessing the identity of the King is left as a exercise for the reader.

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A little bird (no, not Ed; he's anything but "little;" this particular bird is American, and dwells very near a seacoast) has told me there will soon be a major announcement regarding the Realms. Scribes, keep eyes peeled . . .
love to all,
THO



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Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
While poking through Dwarves Deep I chanced upon the name of (Fallen) King Javilaharr "the Dark" Snowsord and I began to wonder: are there any human traditions about a long-lost, long-prophesied heir to some lost kingdom, someone of "royal" descent who is considered by traditionalists to be the True King of their lost kingdom? {Whatever happened to L____, anyway? Tethyr has a Queen, but where's You-Know-Who?) Are there any "Kings Across the Water," deposed but still believed to be the rightwise king? Are there any human traditions about once and future kings or hero-kings who lie "sleeping" until their country needs them?

(Monarchism is so infectious. It's time to take a sniff of the old Liberty Tree, I reckon!)



You mean Lhaeo? Well he cast off his disguise (which is now inhabited by one of Elminster's female apprentices, shapeshifted of course), and married Zaranda Star... So he's now the King of Tethyr. (An unsatisfactory ending for both their stories for me, I'm afraid... but I won't go into that here).

I can think of one example where heroes (knights I think they were) were sleeping waiting for the nation's time of need... It was in Cormyr. (Highlight for spoilers): They were all unceremoniously slain in their sleep/stasis by Ghazneths or the Devil Dragon's minions during the Cormyr series (I think it was in Beyond the High Road).

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A little bird (no, not Ed; he's anything but "little;" this particular bird is American, and dwells very near a seacoast) has told me there will soon be a major announcement regarding the Realms. Scribes, keep eyes peeled . . .
love to all,
THO





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This question goes back to the games people play in Faerun. Were any specific games made popular or invented in Netheril.....correction, Ancient Netheril???

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

A little bird (no, not Ed; he's anything but "little;" this particular bird is American, and dwells very near a seacoast) has told me there will soon be a major announcement regarding the Realms. Scribes, keep eyes peeled . . .
love to all,
THO



Ho hum... Just guessing, not endorsing, nor demolishing... Mayhap now that D&D as a system has become very similar to MMORPG rules, the Realms MMORPG is about to be launched?

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Hmmm. Reading Zandilar's last post prompts a question: Ed, is there anything more you can tell us about the doings of that apprentice who's pretending to be Lhaeo?
Zandilar, I know you're right about that, but I've forgotten where that lore about the apprentice standing in for Lhaeo appeared. Can you or anyone remind me?
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Ed or THO, if liches can learn new things/remember new people they met after they became liches (and what happened at those meetings), can they learn new magic - - and can they forget things? If they were already elderly/forgetful at the time of achieving lichdom, does their confusion/senility/forgetfulness continue, and even accelerate? Or not?
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