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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 31 Jul 2008 :  23:44:10  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
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Originally posted by Zandilar
The Harpers seem to have quite a lot of interest in Cormyr. How much is Cormyr's current benevolence is due to their interference? I'm sure they've had some effect.
Quite a bit, actually.

Vangerdahast, on his sweeping into Cormyr in 1306 and purging the War Wizards, received a great deal of help from the Harpers in rooting out the disloyal among the fold and learning who was truly loyal to the Harpers (and, therefore, could be implicitly trusted).
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It seems like they introduced her not that long ago, and now she's been got rid of... And they've gone back to a male Mage Royal. Myrmeen could have had a daughter, you know. *pouts*
Caladnei's is a far more tragic and poignant story than what's even been glimpsed thusfar in print. Given the chance and page-space to do so, I (and I'm sure, Ed, too) would love to explore Caladnei's story more deeply and get into the various details of her life and the end of her tenure as Mage Royal.

As for Ganrahast, that was actually my decision; if you like, you can blame that one on me. It could have gone either way, honestly, but I had far more interesting stories I could tell about a male heir to Vangerdahast's (and Caladnei's) mantle than a female one [This isn't a general statement about male characters being more interesting; in this particular case, there were too many stories too ripe for telling]. I promise: as soon as I'm able to tell any of them, I will.
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Right. I had a sinking feeling that was so. The ratio of men to women falls so close to 50/50 that it may as well be 50/50, and yet it seems nearly every person who counted in the Realms had male children...
Ahh, but you're making the assumption that the people that are mentioned are the only ones that counted. To use Cormyr as an example, since that's the topic at hand: what about Laspeera’s children? Dauneth Marliir’s? Krystin Lhal (Myrmeen's adoptive daughter)’s? Giogi and Cat Wyvernspur’s? Narnra’s? To say nothing of Glarasteer Rhauligan or Emthrara Undril, or poor Lareth Gulur of the Cormyr Saga. I am not saying that all of these children are male, or female, or even that those listed had children. But they're certainly important enough among Cormyr's "present-day" to be counted.

It's perfectly understandable to assume that the only important characters are those mentioned in the first pass about a region. I also think it's something of a mistake. Cormyr has a great many positions of tremendous power: Royal Sage Most Learned, Warden of the Eastern Marches, Court Wizard--which is officially a separate post from Royal Magician--Commander of High Horn, and several local Lordships, to say nothing of secret but no-less-important appointments as Highknights or War Wizards.

Cormyr, as currently presented, shows woefully few female characters. I won’t argue that point. But what is shown is not all that is. The skimming of the surface we’ve seen isn’t nearly the breadth or depth of Cormyrean femininity. There’s much more to be shown, and seen, if we get the opportunity for a little ‘peek and ponder’ in the Forest Kingdom.

More things to discuss with Ed in Indianapolis. Hmm…
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Zandilar
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Posted - 01 Aug 2008 :  01:01:35  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

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Originally posted by Garen Thal
Quite a bit, actually.

Vangerdahast, on his sweeping into Cormyr in 1306 and purging the War Wizards, received a great deal of help from the Harpers in rooting out the disloyal among the fold and learning who was truly loyal to the Harpers (and, therefore, could be implicitly trusted).


Ah... that does make sense. I feel as if Cormyr is probably a little "project" for the Harpers. One shining example for the rest of the Realms - at least until Lururar (did I spell that right?) was created... And even beyond that, I suppose. 4th Edition Realms would have us think of the kingdom as that shining example still.

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Caladnei's is a far more tragic and poignant story than what's even been glimpsed thusfar in print. Given the chance and page-space to do so, I (and I'm sure, Ed, too) would love to explore Caladnei's story more deeply and get into the various details of her life and the end of her tenure as Mage Royal.


Blah... You're not inspiring confidence here, you know. It sounds like something bad happens to her that ends her tenure (maybe the spellplague drives her mad, in part due to her closeness to magic as a natural wielder of it (a sorcerer), or perhaps it strips her magical ability all together. (I'm not sure which would be a worse end, to be honest. The latter would be like loosing a sense (particularly sight, hearing, or the sense of touch), and in my opinion that is a fate worse than death.)

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As for Ganrahast, that was actually my decision; if you like, you can blame that one on me. It could have gone either way, honestly, but I had far more interesting stories I could tell about a male heir to Vangerdahast's (and Caladnei's) mantle than a female one [This isn't a general statement about male characters being more interesting; in this particular case, there were too many stories too ripe for telling]. I promise: as soon as I'm able to tell any of them, I will.


Well I would probably disagree with your reasoning, because unless you're planning a romance* for the Royal Mage with a female member of the Orbarskyr family (or maybe a noble family, or perhaps an evil woman who tries to manipulate him or whatever), it only takes a small amount of stretching the imagination to be able to adapt a story to either gender. You obviously have an idea of this character, so I'm not going to remonstrate too much with you, but I want you to know that I am extremely disappointed. I predicted right from the start that the child would be male, and I've been proven right in this case. (You're supposed to surprise us from time to time, you know! )

* Any romance in Realms fiction/canon that is featured front and centre is, by stupid necessity, going to be heterosexual in nature. Personally, I think it would be great if there were any LGBT characters with major roles in the Realms that actually sees print, but I am not holding my breath that it will ever happen. I might forgive you Ganrahast if he turns out to be gay (actually, if he does turn out to be gay, I'll be lauding your courage).

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Ahh, but you're making the assumption that the people that are mentioned are the only ones that counted. To use Cormyr as an example, since that's the topic at hand: what about Laspeera’s children? Dauneth Marliir’s? Krystin Lhal (Myrmeen's adoptive daughter)’s? Giogi and Cat Wyvernspur’s? Narnra’s? To say nothing of Glarasteer Rhauligan or Emthrara Undril, or poor Lareth Gulur of the Cormyr Saga. I am not saying that all of these children are male, or female, or even that those listed had children. But they're certainly important enough among Cormyr's "present-day" to be counted.


None of those characters have seen much print in the current Realms. For exmaple, Narnra, the titular character of Elminster's Daughter, was barely featured in her own novel, let alone in other canon sources afterwards. Another example, Krystin Lhal first appeared in The Night Parade by Scott Ciencin, but has never been mentioned in any print source beyond Myrmeen Lhal's Heroes Lorebook write up since. The chances of either of them being mentioned again are minuscule now there's a 100 year jump. You have to convince me that's going to change, and as far as WotC goes - I'm very pessimistic.

The New Realms, or the Rorgotten Fealms as I've dubbed them, are not the old Realms, and WotC have gone to great pains to remind us of this at every turn, and with every change they make. All those characters may very well have children that populate the kingdom of Cormyr, and we'll see familiar surnames on characters that bear familial resemblance to previous characters, but it's also just as likely (or more likely in my opinion) that they'll all fade into obscurity, and we'll never hear of them again. (There may very well be exceptions, but I don't really expect them.)

I dare you, and Ed, and Wizards to prove me wrong. I assure you, that if I am proven wrong I'll be the happiest person in Melbourne (heh), and will sing the praises of the new Realms and how they've managed to keep the integrity of flavour even while changing things. But I'm fairly confident that time will bear my hypothesis out. The deaths of Mystra and Eilistraee have put you (you being everyone responsible for 4th Ed Realms) far in the red as far as it goes for me, there's a lot of ground that has to be made up for my mind to change on this.

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It's perfectly understandable to assume that the only important characters are those mentioned in the first pass about a region. I also think it's something of a mistake. Cormyr has a great many positions of tremendous power: Royal Sage Most Learned, Warden of the Eastern Marches, Court Wizard--which is officially a separate post from Royal Magician--Commander of High Horn, and several local Lordships, to say nothing of secret but no-less-important appointments as Highknights or War Wizards.


But it's not in print yet. It won't be for some time, and we can't assume it will ever see print. Especially if it's all hidden behind DDI. Some of us are not willing to subscribe to that service, and right now I'm one of them.

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Cormyr, as currently presented, shows woefully few female characters. I won’t argue that point. But what is shown is not all that is. The skimming of the surface we’ve seen isn’t nearly the breadth or depth of Cormyrean femininity. There’s much more to be shown, and seen, if we get the opportunity for a little ‘peek and ponder’ in the Forest Kingdom.

More things to discuss with Ed in Indianapolis. Hmm…



Yes, but where? We've been told pretty much that we're getting two source books and an adventure for the Realms, and that's all. Any further information I'll need to subscribe to DDI to access. As I won't be subscribing (ever at this point), I won't see it. My mind can't be changed by information I don't have access to. (Not to mention the fact that at this point, I'm unlikely to buy the books - which leads to a circular situation which hurts my brain to think about this morning.)

If I ever do get my hands on it, it will be because I've broken the law and resorted to piracy. Which is to say, of course, never.

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.

Edited by - Zandilar on 01 Aug 2008 01:03:49
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 01 Aug 2008 :  04:26:06  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar
quote:
Caladnei's is a far more tragic and poignant story than what's even been glimpsed thusfar in print. Given the chance and page-space to do so, I (and I'm sure, Ed, too) would love to explore Caladnei's story more deeply and get into the various details of her life and the end of her tenure as Mage Royal.


Blah... You're not inspiring confidence here, you know. It sounds like something bad happens to her that ends her tenure (maybe the spellplague drives her mad, in part due to her closeness to magic as a natural wielder of it (a sorcerer), or perhaps it strips her magical ability all together. (I'm not sure which would be a worse end, to be honest. The latter would be like loosing a sense (particularly sight, hearing, or the sense of touch), and in my opinion that is a fate worse than death.)
The tragedy and poignancy of her story that I referred to are about her entire lifetime, not merely her time as Royal Magician (some of which is suggested in Elminster's Daughter). If I were to say more, I'm sure Ed would come at me with a whip, and as much as I enjoy that sort of thing, I should probably stop.

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As for Ganrahast, that was actually my decision; if you like, you can blame that one on me. It could have gone either way, honestly, but I had far more interesting stories I could tell about a male heir to Vangerdahast's (and Caladnei's) mantle than a female one [This isn't a general statement about male characters being more interesting; in this particular case, there were too many stories too ripe for telling]. I promise: as soon as I'm able to tell any of them, I will.
Well I would probably disagree with your reasoning, because unless you're planning a romance* for the Royal Mage with a female member of the Orbarskyr family (or maybe a noble family, or perhaps an evil woman who tries to manipulate him or whatever), it only takes a small amount of stretching the imagination to be able to adapt a story to either gender. You obviously have an idea of this character, so I'm not going to remonstrate too much with you, but I want you to know that I am extremely disappointed. I predicted right from the start that the child would be male, and I've been proven right in this case. (You're supposed to surprise us from time to time, you know! )

* Any romance in Realms fiction/canon that is featured front and centre is, by stupid necessity, going to be heterosexual in nature. Personally, I think it would be great if there were any LGBT characters with major roles in the Realms that actually sees print, but I am not holding my breath that it will ever happen. I might forgive you Ganrahast if he turns out to be gay (actually, if he does turn out to be gay, I'll be lauding your courage).
I can't speak to either my reasoning or my plans, unfortunately, particularly since if they ever come to light, WotC will have its say first. I would relish the opportunity to surprise everyone, but I'd need a bit more familiarity with the reins, as it were.

I will agree with you, wholeheartedly, that LGBT characters haven't really seen the light of day; even when such characters exist in the Realms, they do so very much "in the closet." I will also say--even at the risk of having any hopes of my own fiction work ever seeing print dashed upon the rocks of whatever code of ethics WotC is following now--that it's past time that changed. And not charicatures of such characters (effeminate nobles in pink tunics or ludicrously attractive women who are kinda-sorta bisexual until our favorite hero struts along), but real, fully fleshed-out characters, whose traits include more than just a note about their sexuality.

A person is more than their sexuality, though, so including LGBT characters just for the sake of showcasing that identity is counterproductive; what the Realms and its audience need are LGBT personages that are truly characters, flesh-and-blood beings of real motivations and wants and virtues and failings. Heroes, and villains, too, so that no one can ever say that this character or that one over there was brought in just for the sake of being able to say "there, we have a gay character. Happy now?" Worse would be to have a single character alone, standing as the standard bearer for an entire identity group, lionized or villainized (or both!), that everyone can point to and say "WotC and the Realms authors think that every LGBT person is X, Y or Z."

In truth, there are only two legitimate reasons to put LGBT characters into print in FR: because there are LGBT people who live in the Realms, and because there are LGBT people who read about the Realms. To deny either fact is, frankly, dishonest. And it's insulting, both to the audience (whom WotC would be "protecting"), and to the LGBT community.

There were plenty of characters in the 3E Realms that they could have done this with. Hell, there were more than a few just in 3E Cormyr that fit the bill (recall previous discussions about Myrmeen, Alusair and Caladnei). But they didn't, and part of the shift to 4E meant that many of those characters were washed away. Those characters were lovingly crafted by Ed over the last 40 years, 20 of them with the help--some public, some less so--of friends and colleagues and fans. I doubt very much that the 4E Realms will need that long to get its feet under it, but it's going to a few months, at least, to let everyone get their bearings, to let WotC realize that FR fans aren't really satisfied with the paucity of coverage and possibly do something about it, and to let FR creators (many of whom haven't seen much more of the 4E Realms than what's on the WotC site) take the lay of the land before they can convince anyone of anything.
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I dare you, and Ed, and Wizards to prove me wrong. I assure you, that if I am proven wrong I'll be the happiest person in Melbourne (heh), and will sing the praises of the new Realms and how they've managed to keep the integrity of flavour even while changing things. But I'm fairly confident that time will bear my hypothesis out. The deaths of Mystra and Eilistraee have put you (you being everyone responsible for 4th Ed Realms) far in the red as far as it goes for me, there's a lot of ground that has to be made up for my mind to change on this.
Nothing, but nothing, would make me happier, Zandilar. Where I sit, there is very little control I have on the Realms as they develop; at best, I get to add a bit of flavor here and here and make the dish more tasty. I am still waiting for my chance to stir the pot a bit.

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It's perfectly understandable to assume that the only important characters are those mentioned in the first pass about a region. I also think it's something of a mistake. Cormyr has a great many positions of tremendous power: Royal Sage Most Learned, Warden of the Eastern Marches, Court Wizard--which is officially a separate post from Royal Magician--Commander of High Horn, and several local Lordships, to say nothing of secret but no-less-important appointments as Highknights or War Wizards.

But it's not in print yet. It won't be for some time, and we can't assume it will ever see print. Especially if it's all hidden behind DDI. Some of us are not willing to subscribe to that service, and right now I'm one of them.

I imagine that the Secrets of the Forgotten Realms seminar at Gen Con are going to be about just this topic. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but my guess is that fans are not as enthusiastic about the three-books-and-out philosophy as WotC are. It's something I sincerely hope they reconsider.


Despite the length of the above, Zandilar, I don't think you and I fundamentally disagree on things. Please believe me when I say that I understand your frustration and disappointment, even when it seems as though I am a part of the cause. If you'd like an individual to blame for the lack of female characters in the Cormyr article, please blame me: some specific personages (male and female) were added at my request, but it's clear I didn't rally strongly enough for a greater female presence.

FR has never suffered for its share of female heroes and villains and crowned heads; from the Seven Sisters to the Knights of Myth Drannor to Zaranda Star to Scyulla Darkhope, to the Ladies Four of late-3E Cormyr (Alusair, Laspeera, Myrmeen and Caladnei), they've long been around. I doubt very much that, the recent Cormyr article notwithstanding, the case is very different today. I fervently hope for the opportunity for me, and Ed, and anyone else who cares to do so to showcase all the wonder and splendor of Cormyr that we can, and the glorious variety of characters that live there: male, female, heterosexual and LGBT, human and nonhuman, woefully mortal and tragically ever-living, and every shade of in-between that there is.

Only time will tell whether we get that chance.

I'll stop hijacking Ed's thread now.
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sfdragon
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the time portal is still active,
mr. baker said there were three ways to do it back a few months......

but I fear that even if Mr. Greenwood thought about following through with one or more of them, it would be under a NDA as well as WWL2K(wouldnt we like to know).


like a few of my questions themselves are nda.
ick social regalias, ick If I had a char in cormyr become a Noble, I think I would pass, I hate social gatherings...

did they ever clear the orcs out of arabel after the devil dragon incident???

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
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Elfinblade
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Norway
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Mr.Greenwood stated
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Then I'd spotlight Durnan and Halaster


Ahh Halaster. That reminds me, after the whole 100 years jump in time (which i am not at all comfortable with but thats a whole other matter) what ever happened to Halaster? Did he lose his longevity after the incident with Mystra when she took away his madness (or so it seemed), did he survive that initial incident and died of old age? Or is he still around causing mischief or even having embraced goodness 100 years later? Last time i asked about Halaster it was NDA, and i realize the possibility of it still being NDA, but i`ll give it another shot since it`s been a year or two.

-Stig-
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Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Elfinblade

Mr.Greenwood stated
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Then I'd spotlight Durnan and Halaster


Ahh Halaster. That reminds me, after the whole 100 years jump in time (which i am not at all comfortable with but thats a whole other matter) what ever happened to Halaster? Did he lose his longevity after the incident with Mystra when she took away his madness (or so it seemed), did he survive that initial incident and died of old age? Or is he still around causing mischief or even having embraced goodness 100 years later? Last time i asked about Halaster it was NDA, and i realize the possibility of it still being NDA, but i`ll give it another shot since it`s been a year or two.

-Stig-



Halaster was killed off in the Expedition to Undermountain module. Hopefully, his death won't be permanent, but with WotC's move away from non-money making icons, it's likely that we won't see any more of him.

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Blueblade
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sfdragon, yes Arabel was purged of the Devil Dragon's forces, and reclaimed by Cormyr. If I remember rightly, some of the how and when of that has been discussed in this thread (or maybe last years' version of it).
And Garen Thal: great points, well said, hear hear!!
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Malcolm
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So you're going to be talking to Ed at Gencon, Garen Thal? Will this be a private discussion, or can interested scribes sit around and listen? (Please?)
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Broken Helm
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A question for Ed: if a merchant in Waterdeep wants to send a simple message (like: "Yes! Buy it!" or "No, don't do it!") to a merchant or family member in Suzail, and the message can be sent verbally rather than written down as an item to be hand-delivered, who could he hire to deliver it? How much would the fee be, and paid how? (Upon delivery? If not, what's the incentive to actually deliver it?) And how fast would it get to the intended recipient, barring mischance?
Thanks!
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Baleful Avatar
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Canada
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Hi, Ed and THO,
A quick Cormyr question. If an Obarskyr royal wa strolling in the Royal Gardens in Suzail, alone or with a guest, would there be bodyguards near?
If yes, HOW near? Able to voerhear, or discreetly "just" out of earshot of normal converse?
Thanks!
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 02 Aug 2008 :  01:51:19  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
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Originally posted by Malcolm

So you're going to be talking to Ed at Gencon, Garen Thal? Will this be a private discussion, or can interested scribes sit around and listen? (Please?)
If I'm meeting with Ed in a public forum (sitting around the WotC booth, for example, or in a group of lovely young gaming girls), feel free to join in. If we're in a corner seeming to try and get a private word in, though, that's probably what's going on. Feel free to step up and say hi, of course--it's always an entertaining sight as fans and friends do the "close enough to be noticed/not close enough to be rude" dance while talking to Ed--but please remember that Ed is a VERY busy man at Gen Con (this year even more than most), and may need to be on the run at any moment.
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 02 Aug 2008 :  01:56:44  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Broken Helm

A question for Ed: if a merchant in Waterdeep wants to send a simple message (like: "Yes! Buy it!" or "No, don't do it!") to a merchant or family member in Suzail, and the message can be sent verbally rather than written down as an item to be hand-delivered, who could he hire to deliver it? How much would the fee be, and paid how? (Upon delivery? If not, what's the incentive to actually deliver it?) And how fast would it get to the intended recipient, barring mischance?
Thanks!
Merchants don't tend to make such arrangements unless they can find someone already on their way to place in question. It's a long trip overland to get from Cormyr to Waterdeep, and in many cases (at least in 3E terms) probably cheaper and definitely more convenient and faster to employ a sending spell or similar magic. The savings involved in a non-magical messenger are nothing compred to shaving tendays off the transit time.

That said, such messages are usually accompanied by a small, sealed note telling the receiving agent how much to pay the messenger (and, in many cases, is given a return message for the original merchant). No one gets paid pre-delivery, to go and report to the Watch, a rival, or the Zhents.
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dfemling
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Good day Ed and the Lady THO, i have a quick one that is really a stab in the dark question! Is Susprina Arkhenneld the mother to Kyriani (Agrivar)? The reason why i ask is that i was looking back in the powers and pantheons on page 157, stating that Kyriani's mother was a drow sorceress from shadowdale. I remembered your response that Susprina Arkhenneld is related to Calimar Arkhenneld of Sshamath. Thanks for all the lore, and I understand if this one is NDA:)
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The Hooded One
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Hello, all! Good news!
The Wizards of the Coast website should shortly sport the 2007 Spin A Yarn story, which is well over 11,000 words long, is entitled "The Weaver of Dreams," incorporates ALL of the GenCon audience suggestions that didn't include direct mentions of real-world places, trademarks, or racial groups, and (if it survives the editing) includes something that should please Zandilar.
Or so Ed tells me.
Wheeee! And so forth!
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 02 Aug 2008 20:54:14
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Garen Thal
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello, all! Good news!
The Wizards of the Coast website should shortly sport the 2007 Spin A Yarn story, which is well over 11,000 words long, is entitled "The Weaver of Dreams," incorporates ALL of the GenCon audience suggestions that didn't include direct mentions of real-world places, trademarks, or racial groups, and (if it survives the editing) includes something that should please Zandilar.
Or so Ed tells me.
Wheeee! And so forth!
love to all,
THO
So Ed didn't go with our original suggestion of "Lhaeo in Fishnets: A Love Story?" (it would have involved a ship and actual fishing nets, for you dirty-minded folks). Shame!!
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello, all! Good news!
The Wizards of the Coast website should shortly sport the 2007 Spin A Yarn story, which is well over 11,000 words long, is entitled "The Weaver of Dreams," incorporates ALL of the GenCon audience suggestions that didn't include direct mentions of real-world places, trademarks, or racial groups, and (if it survives the editing) includes something that should please Zandilar.
Or so Ed tells me.
Wheeee! And so forth!
love to all,
THO

Neat. [Count Dooku voice]"I've been looking forward to this!"[/voice]

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Markustay
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Posted - 03 Aug 2008 :  02:53:55  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
First, a question, inspired by some of the above:

I occurs to me that in a magical world, one need not think in terms of 'traditional couplings' when it come to children. In fact, it's entirely possible that Elminster himself is a mother!

So, oh wise one of the Verdant Wood, have there been any children in Faerűn that had parents of the same sex?

It would also make for one helluva a story for Caladenai - if it didn't violate WotC's new 'morality cluase'.

<note to self - E-mail Gay rights groups at earliest convenience>

quote:
Originally posted by Baleful Avatar

Hi, Ed and THO,
A quick Cormyr question. If an Obarskyr royal wa strolling in the Royal Gardens in Suzail, alone or with a guest, would there be bodyguards near?
If yes, HOW near? Able to overhear, or discreetly "just" out of earshot of normal converse?
Thanks!
Ohhh... ohhh! One I think I can answer. I believe it was in the Cormyr series (naturally) wherein King Azoun had hand-picked gaurds amongst his personal gaurd that had volunteered for occassional 'mind wiping' to protect "secrets of the Crown". I believe Azoun used this to sneak in and out of the castle (a lot), but I could see a more utilitarian purpose. If these gaurds were always the ones chosen to be 'in a garden' or wherever when the Royals were have private convesations, then it would be the simple matter of uttering a secret 'key' word or phrase at the end to wipe the gaurds clean.

The gaurds would have to agree to this initially when approached, and each time it was used they would remember what they had agreed to, but then wouldn't remember until the next time they were called upon (to forget). I remember this because it struck me as the sincerest form of devotion to Cormyr and the crown.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 03 Aug 2008 03:12:09
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 03 Aug 2008 :  03:40:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all. I bring two swift responses from Ed:

To Markustay: Correct. These guards are used whenever "close-in" escorts are desired. When Obarskyrs speak to each other, however (at least during the reigns of Azoun IV and the Steel Regency), guards tend to keep "just out of quiet-voice earshot" in a large ring, moving with the strolling conversers. (A habit that arose out of Azoun's propensity for making love to Filfaeril on all sorts of handy surfaces in the Royal Gardens; the ring just turned to face away from the royal couple and stayed stationary, until matters were, ahem, back to strolling.

To Garen Thal: Correct on the "sending messages" reply, and as for "Lhaeo In Fishnets: A Love Story," I can promise you that (if it survives the editing; if for any reason it doesn't, I'll e-mail you a copy of the original version), a certain character picks up a copy of that exact work during the story, and reads out its title, too! When you see some of the characters in the story, you'll see why I couldn't resist using them and the setting I did, and foregoing Lhaeo for this time around.
HOWEVER, the 2008 Spin A Yarn is not much more than a week away . . .


So saith Ed, Creator of the Realms and Much of Its Twisted Deviancy.
love to all,
THO
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sfdragon
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Posted - 03 Aug 2008 :  07:48:46  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
I have a question, but Im not sure it could be answer in any since ....

Does Ed think wotc would let him write an alternate what if novel that placed alusair as the ruler of cormyr?

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Edited by - sfdragon on 03 Aug 2008 07:49:11
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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 03 Aug 2008 :  15:33:55  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

I have a question, but Im not sure it could be answer in any since ....

Does Ed think wotc would let him write an alternate what if novel that placed alusair as the ruler of cormyr?

Before or after they review the FRCG's sales figures?
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CylverSaber
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Posted - 03 Aug 2008 :  17:02:35  Show Profile  Visit CylverSaber's Homepage Send CylverSaber a Private Message
Question for Ed;

It's been reported in several forums that the doom Halaster was seeking to prevent in Expedition to Undermountain was in fact the Spellplague. Was this the intent when the adventure was written, or was it decided to establish a connection after the fact?

I ask this because the references to the impending doom in EtU don't match up very well with the Spellplague. On page 8, it describes, "This disaster takes the form of a convergence of powerful arcane power moving in slow, inexorable unison with Undermountain. This arcane power moves into the same physical space as the dungeon Halaster has overseen, guarded, strengthened, and modified for so long. (His visions convey nothing of the nature of this arcane power, or the why and how of its movement.) Since Undermountain literally glows with numerous wards and countless localized spells, an explosive collision of these magics with the approaching arcane power would result in the collapse and destruction of most of Undermountain—in turn causing the city above to fall into the vast dungeon beneath, killing thousands upon thousands."

Obviously, nothing like this happened, and Waterdeep is relatively unscathed. Further, it seems that the collapse of the Weave wouldn't be a "collision" between some separate source of arcane power and Undermountain's magics; wouldn't it simply be Undermountain's magics going haywire all on their own?

Also, on page 188, it's said, "Recently, he performed a great service for a goddess of magic. To reward him, she stabilized his mind, which allowed him to devote almost all of his time to his master spell." Wouldn't both Mystra and Halaster know that no spell could stop the collapse of the Weave itself, especially if the goddess of magic has been killed?

Lastly, on page 193, it's said, "So, what was the doom that Halaster foresaw and tried so hard to defend against? We leave that mystery for DMs to determine, since they know best what might be a true and terrible threat for their campaign. Check out the upcoming Elder Evils supplement for ideas that may inspire a follow-up adventure to the events that took place in Undermountain."

This suggests that the threat wasn't of such Realms-Shaking importance that it needed to be firmly defined (or that it would even necessarily occur). And the suggested Elder Evils supplement as a follow-up doesn't contain anything Spellplague-related. So, was the idea of connecting the events of EtU to the Spellplague an after-the-fact decision?

Edited by - CylverSaber on 03 Aug 2008 17:05:23
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Malcolm
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Posted - 03 Aug 2008 :  22:17:13  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Oh, no, not a "What If" Realms split. If we go down that road, my poor piggy bank won't be able to keep up, to say nothing of my brain!
(How Ed keeps track of even half the Realmslore he generates, I don't know.)
Which means, of course , I'm here to nudge him to add to it again.
Weddings of non-noble, non-rich, non-military "just plain folks" citizens of Suzail, Ed and THO: do the happy couple wear anything that someone far down a street could recognize as identifying them as "bride" or "groom" or whatever the in-Realms terms are? What are honeymoons like? Any other customs (parades, feasts, gifts) you can tell us about?
Thanks!
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Blueblade
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Posted - 03 Aug 2008 :  22:20:38  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
I have a question that I want to ask now, but not have answered until the FRCG is released (if it answers me adequately, just say so, once the book is out).
How violent are the "swapping out" of some Faerunian lands with territory from Abeir?
(What I'm really asking is: could a non-PC, non-hero, non-magically-gifted shopkeeper, shepherd, or fisherman out in a boat live through some of these titanic events? Run around as their familiar surroundings disappeared, but somehow survive?
Thanks in advance,
BB

Edited by - Blueblade on 03 Aug 2008 22:21:34
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 04 Aug 2008 :  03:12:53  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. This time I bring you another brief Realmslore reply from Ed, this one to these queries and speculations from Markustay: “First, a question, inspired by some of the above:
It occurs to me that in a magical world, one need not think in terms of 'traditional couplings' when it come to children. In fact, it's entirely possible that Elminster himself is a mother!
So, oh wise one of the Verdant Wood, have there been any children in Faerűn that had parents of the same sex?
It would also make for one helluva a story for Caladnei - if it didn't violate WotC's new 'morality clause'.”
Ed replies:



Markustay, it’s MORE than entirely possible that “Elminster himself is a mother.” However, NDA on who, how, when, where, and offspring.
And yes indeed, there have been children born to parents of the same gender. This is rare, and it is also NDA (sorry).
It would indeed “make for one helluva a story for Caladnei,” but as it happens, her story is different. And (ahem) NDA.
Sigh. There are times when “NDA” just has to come out of my mouth more often than any other word, acronym, or phrase. Sorry again, to all.



So saith Ed. And there you have it; another NDA by Ed regarding NDA and NDA, when what he’d REALLY like to say is NDA NDA NDA NDwheeA . . .
love to all,
THO
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Markustay
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Posted - 04 Aug 2008 :  04:01:15  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Nice.

I do have a doozy of a Geographic question (several related ones, actually), but I'll save it for a few days, seeing as how quickly I got that last response.

Instead I present another answer; this one for CylverSaber:

The Undermountain adventure, you will note, was written WITHOUT the Forgotten Realms logo, and is therefore 'Core'. Now certain events were extrapolated out of that and added to the GHotR as canon, but the adventure itself was written from the perspective that a person could drop it into any setting, with a few minor alterations.

Ergo, the 'doom' Halaster forsaw was left generic enough for any DM, not just an FR one, but when 'translated' into FR terms, what he saw coming was an Arcane disaster that would cripple Undermountain's mythal, and he took certain steps to prevent that. He did not know the details of the disaster, or that Mystra would die, because if he did, he would have most certainly warned her.

BTW, the details about Mystra curing Halaster can be had in the very excellent Elminster in hell.

Lets just say even Asmodeus found the level of Halaster's madness 'stunning'.

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Edited by - Markustay on 04 Aug 2008 04:04:05
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