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Hoondatha
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Posted - 03 May 2008 :  06:04:43  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Wow, thanks Ed! Talk about speedy turnaround. I appreciate it. One of the reasons I asked was I have a Mulhorandi woshipper of Anhur wandering the North in one of my games, looking for anything and everything he can take back home to Mulhorand to help fight Thay. Since it's stated several times that Mulhorand is an agricultural powerhouse that's kept from that status through inefficient farming techniques, he's starting to think that he needs to bring home some northern farmers to go mano-a-mano (as it were) with the Thayan growers.

So, if he manages to lure away a couple of Tolgar's underpriests, do you think they'd be able to help Mulhorand agriculturally? I'm already chuckling gleefully over the MASSIVE amounts of court intrigue they'd be facing, so I'm asking primarily from a technological/magical standpoint.

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Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 03 May 2008 :  15:30:32  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Off this goes to Ed, but I know what I'd say, if I was your DM:

I'm sure they can help agriculturally, if you can keep them un-assassinated.


love,
THO
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createvmind
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Posted - 03 May 2008 :  16:54:38  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Seem to have lost my post, here we go again.

My druid pc wanted to wildhspae from one form to another without reverting to natural form, can he do that and if yes is there any risk he takes in being subsumed by these more primivite, animalistic forms? I've never read this happening in any faerun novel that I can recall or it being mentioned in scourcebooks, help please Hooded Lady/ED?
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Verghityax
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Posted - 03 May 2008 :  22:10:38  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message
Dear Ed of Greenwood and lovely Lady Hooded One,
A long time ago (half of a year or so) I asked Ed about mapping of certain places in Elturel and Iriaebor but they were under NDA due to some legal troubles and license that TSR sold to some company. With Ed's kind permission I'm back to pester him with my query again. Has anything gotten clearer in this matter or NDAs still prevents Ed from passing any lore? Thanks in advance for your answer
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 03 May 2008 :  22:32:51  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message
Well met Ed and THO:



The resent issue of Kobold Quarterly spawns a couple of unrelated questions in my mind. The first, spawned by the Adriel article is this:

Are there any powerful "free agent" celestials working in the Realms, or do all of the celestials tend to work for various gods of good and/or order to do their work? Are there any notable celestials that work for a god, or a group of gods, that still has a bit of a reputation as a maverick among those "in the know" about celestial goings on?

And the second question, spawned by the abiogenesis article is kind of self evident. Does abiogenesis occur in the Realms? I know in most cases the Realms seems to work pretty much like the "real world" in that mammals work differently than reptiles, disease is something that can be avoided by cleanliness, etc., but is there any "loophole" for abiogenesis, and if there is, what causes it?

Thank you both for your time.

"Because philosophy arises from awe, a philosopher is bound in his way to be a lover of myths and poetic fables. Poets and philosophers are alike in being big with wonder."--Saint Thomas Aquinas

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Charles Phipps
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  00:40:43  Show Profile  Visit Charles Phipps's Homepage Send Charles Phipps a Private Message
Oh, Ed, since you asked.

Here's the first adventure of two that chronicles the PCs handling of the Illance family.

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10961

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  02:28:26  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Charles, Ed is tied up with family matters and frantic paid writing (vastly overdue) too, right now, but * I * certainly enjoyed your Illance-related adventure writeup. Nice (nasty, but nicely done, I should say). I've sent this new page of postings off to Ed, and he'll no doubt check out your descriptive thread of the adventure and get back to me some time in the next few days.
(He may also, judging by past Ed performance, surprise me out of the blue with an answer to an older lore query, from any page of any of these Questions for Eddie threads since they were established in 2004, before then.)
love,
THO
P.S. To the scribes who were wondering as to the fates of Sharess in the "new" Realms, I believe, from the MANNER of Ed's verbal response to me during our last phone call (rather than any specific words of his), that Sharess is still around in some form or another in the 4e version of the Realms. Again, this is an inference on my part rather than a definitive confirmation on his.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  02:39:50  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
createvmind, I'm away from home at the moment (work-related trip) and so have no access to my rulebooks. I honestly can't recall if "surrendering" to animal forms a human has shapechanged into is covered in any D&D or Realms sourcebooks or rules as a specific risk, but I CAN say that it is a recurring theme in fantasy fiction, from Tolkien (Radagast and the two "blue" Istari becoming "lost" for a time in the life of Middle-Earth, straying from their tasks; the ents who "turn tree") through McKillip (the shapechanging lord in Hed who "forgets himself" and remains the tree he's turned into) and Eddings and many, many other writers before and after . . . including Ed, though again I can't remember if he's explored this extensively in his Realms writing or only in his Aglirta, Falconfar, and unrelated fantasy short story writings.
It does make for great roleplaying opportunities and adds a "possible price" to magic use that can make it at once more interesting and more momentous. As a DM, it should be something that afflicts Player Characters very rarely (and gives them saving throws to "snap out of," if they succumb to it), to be used more for great storytelling purposes rather than anything players come to view as a "Dm's weapon, used against us."
love,
THO
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createvmind
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  03:29:19  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Thanks Lady,

Not looking for rules but rather if this ever occured in game session with Ed and how he dealt with it.

Thanks again.
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Mkhaiwati
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  04:38:04  Show Profile  Visit Mkhaiwati's Homepage Send Mkhaiwati a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

So saith Ed. Creator of Goldenfields and Waterdeep and the Realms all around them. Afet, I know Ed has read “Guns, Germs, and Steel” as well as “Rats, Lice, and History” and for that matter many books, from long-ago L. Sprague deCamp titles to far more recent releases, on what inventions and innovations occurred when, and what effects they had. (I’m away from my own books right now, and am trying to recall the title of one Ed mentioned to me a year-and-some ago; something about “Windmills, Waterwheels, and - -” something or other . . . Anyway, his shelves bristle with such tomes [Salt, A World History, a similar book about rice, all sorts of books on medieval engineers and how they must or could have built Stonehenge, Roman aqueducts, roads, et al.]
love to all,
THO




Probably Cathedral, Forge, and Waterwheel by the de Gies. They also did Life in Medieval city, Village, etc. Good book, I liked it better than Gimpel's The Medieval Machine which covers the same territory.

Another interesting book I can recommend is Gift of the Jews, by Thomas Cahill (follows up on How the Irish Saved Civilization). It is interesting in that the premise is how that the early Jews had a different world viewpoint, which evolved into the basis for Western Civilization. Before that, it was a completely alien worldview, with polytheism and a person's role in the cosmos. I always want to suggest that book whenever someone doesn't understand Ed's comments concerning using the 20th , er, 21st century views, morals, and such and applying them to the Realms. It is a completely different viewpoint.

"Behold the work of the old... let your heritage not be lost but bequeath it as a memory, treasure and blessing... Gather the lost and the hidden and preserve it for thy children."

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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  06:25:55  Show Profile  Visit Afetbinttuzani's Homepage Send Afetbinttuzani a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
Another interesting book I can recommend is Gift of the Jews, by Thomas Cahill (follows up on How the Irish Saved Civilization). It is interesting in that the premise is how that the early Jews had a different world viewpoint, which evolved into the basis for Western Civilization. Before that, it was a completely alien worldview, with polytheism and a person's role in the cosmos.

I don't quite understand. "Polytheism and a person's role in the universe" were alien? Alien to whom? Is it that we today would find the way it was back then alien?

quote:
I always want to suggest that book whenever someone doesn't understand Ed's comments concerning using the 20th , er, 21st century views, morals, and such and applying them to the Realms. It is a completely different viewpoint.

Here again I don't follow you. First, what were, basically, Ed's comments? Second, does "It" in the last sentence refer to the book's viewpoint or Ed's or the viewpoint of people way back then? third, this viewpoint is different from who's viewpoint? Sorry for being obtuse.
Afet

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Charles Phipps
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  10:40:38  Show Profile  Visit Charles Phipps's Homepage Send Charles Phipps a Private Message
Thanks Hooded One.

I actually added the second part of the adventure (performed tonight) at the original section.

I hope Ed enjoys it too and points out any errors.

*hugs*

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10961

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  11:15:15  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Well Met Ed and THO

As a follow up to the Goldenfields answer, do communities keep extensive warrens and fish ponds to supplement food production. If so would there be similar advancements in creating the right type of environment for the rabbits and fish to flourish? (either 'natural' or magical)

Also do other faiths use similar 'bountyful prayers' a la Chauntea to increase crop yields, animal husbandry, growth of trees etc to 'speed up/ensure productivity.

Do wizards get involved in this work, for instance would the Crown of Cormyr encourage Wizards of War to develop spells that banish pests or create 'instant fertiliser' etc?

Thanks

Damian

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ed replies:
Goldenfields is a vast walled temple-farm where hundreds of acres of fields are tended with zeal, full irrigation, and expertise matched nowhere else among humans regarding “companion planting” (carrots love tomatoes, et al


So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Zandilar
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  14:07:09  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
P.S. To the scribes who were wondering as to the fates of Sharess in the "new" Realms, I believe, from the MANNER of Ed's verbal response to me during our last phone call (rather than any specific words of his), that Sharess is still around in some form or another in the 4e version of the Realms. Again, this is an inference on my part rather than a definitive confirmation on his.



This actually makes my heart sink...

I've not been keeping up on the WotC Forums recently, so I haven't heard anything new... But knowing what's happened to some of my favorites (the Days of our House of the Triad/The Bold and the Brightwater plot springs immediately to mind as one of those things that kills my heart as far as the Realms go), any news of my favorites surviving into 4e doesn't bode well for them IMHO. (The plot I referred to above is the one in AGHotR in which Tymora acts very wildly out of character (agreeing to an arranged marriage? Her? To someone as stuffy as Tyr? You're kidding me, right?). On top of that, she gets treated like an object rather than a being with her own thoughts/plans/emotions. And I won't go on about Sune (organizing a politically motivated arranged marriage?), Tyr (going off the deep end seemingly without any justification at all?), and Helm (the poor schmuck caught in the middle) - all (except maybe our poor schmuck Helm) acting completely out of character (yes, that is in my opinion)... I imagine Ed might say something along the lines of "well you don't know everything yet!", but I really can't see how any of that could logically make sense at all... OH and I've rambled on too long anyway - so enough from me!)

It might be a completely irrational reaction on my behalf, and I may have missed out on "did we say that? No what we mean is <insert milder fate here that actually makes sense>" retractions from the designers, as I have not been on the WotC forums recently.

(Oh, and by the way, Ed... Thanks very much for your last response to my questions about names and Myrmeen's child and NDAs, it was quite enlightening! )

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  15:46:06  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Zandilar and all, your posts go off to Ed, who is busy busy busy again, but WILL return with a reply of some sort later today or on the morrow.
Charles, I read the second half of your adventure (also sent off to Ed), and have to admit to literally falling out of my chair laughing when Alusair snorted.

love to all,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  19:34:55  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Heh. Off this goes to Ed, but I know what I'd say, if I was your DM:

I'm sure they can help agriculturally, if you can keep them un-assassinated.


love,
THO



That's pretty much where I was going as well. Could make for an interesting (if extremely short-lived) campaign.

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Agnitio Veridicus
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Posted - 04 May 2008 :  20:53:58  Show Profile  Visit Agnitio Veridicus's Homepage Send Agnitio Veridicus a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar
(The plot I referred to above is the one in AGHotR in which Tymora acts very wildly out of character (agreeing to an arranged marriage? Her? To someone as stuffy as Tyr? You're kidding me, right?). On top of that, she gets treated like an object rather than a being with her own thoughts/plans/emotions. And I won't go on about Sune (organizing a politically motivated arranged marriage?), Tyr (going off the deep end seemingly without any justification at all?), and Helm (the poor schmuck caught in the middle) - all (except maybe our poor schmuck Helm) acting completely out of character (yes, that is in my opinion)... I imagine Ed might say something along the lines of "well you don't know everything yet!", but I really can't see how any of that could logically make sense at all... OH and I've rambled on too long anyway - so enough from me!)


What, you think it's implausable that a group of millenia old divine beings would suddenly begin acting as if they were drunken and none-too-bright mortals? For shame. Only brilliance and cutting edge creativity doth spring from the great minds at the helm of today's Realms! :)
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 05 May 2008 :  01:45:29  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. I bring another pinch of Realmslore for all scribes from Ed of the Greenwood, this time in response to GoCeraf’s question: “Mr. Greenwood, If someone were unable to think of a word, or lost his train of thought in the middle of the sentence, what vocalizations would he say? For instance, I say "Erm," or "Ah" (I try to avoid "Uh," because it does not sound particularly intelligent).
Would this also vary by language? I know that the Japanese equivalent is "amo," but I think that's just "um" with the syllabic completion.
Or is it that people in the Realms are notably more articulate than I? It worries me, as I find myself trailing off a bit these days. All the best.”
Ed replies:



Several times I’ve tried to introduce this into published Realms fiction, but editors have swooped in and removed anything more than “Ah” or “uh” or “ahem.”
The truth is, of course, that everyone has their own patterns of speech (for instance, one Waterdhavian noble always says “Stop me vitals!” and Rathan of the Knights usually said "Aha, aha," whereas Vangerdahast [thanks to someone in the playing group seeing the movie MOZART] aways declaimed, "So there you are!" . . . I can add that many Cormyreans and Dalefolk of the generation now starting to grow old add “look you” to the end of most utterances).
“Latulatul!” is the halfling equivalent, literally being the vocalization of a tongue stuck out, drawn in, then stuck out and drawn in again.
“Durgdurg” is the orc, half-orc (and now Luskanite, too) variant of this; it means “no quarrel, no quarrel,” and is derived from “durgreos” (a long-standing, formal responsive greeting among orcs of the Sword Coast North, that means the same thing).
And so on. “Feddleah!” is a recent Calishite and Tashalar nonsense word used in place of “um” by traders, and it’s spreading rapidly (already heard in trade-route communities in Tethyr, the Vilhon, and Amn). “Garn it” or just “garn” is surfacing around the Sea of Fallen Stars and along the Heartlands trade routes (through Berdusk and Iriaebor), and “sah-haul” is Chessentan equivalent (now heard in Turmish, the Vilhon, and Mulhorand, too). So far as is known, these last two examples are also nonsense words or phrases.
As in the real world, this is an aspect of language that’s very individual, specific from place to place, and changes constantly, so feel free to devise your own.



So saith Ed. Who has always enjoyed linguistics in the “interesting old corners of English” sense, both academically and casually.
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 05 May 2008 01:49:37
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

for instance, one Waterdhavian noble always says “Stop me vitals!”


Was he in the Inn of the Dripping Dagger the day that the child Princess Alusair went in there? I recall the note in that Inn's description that she acquired the habit of saying that same phrase from her visit to that Inn...

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The Hooded One
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Yes, Wooly, he was. Ed drops his presence (and that vocal line) into descriptions of background chatter in Waterdhavian clubs, festhalls, and upper-crust eateries and taverns all the time.
I believe Ed got the line from one of the School For Scandal-era plays he saw at Stratford (the actor Brian Bedford using it constantly as the "zounds!" -style interjection of his major character). [By "Stratford" I mean the fifty-odd-year-old Shakespearean Festival held annually in Straford, Ontario.)
love,
THO

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Yes, Wooly, he was. Ed drops his presence (and that vocal line) into descriptions of background chatter in Waterdhavian clubs, festhalls, and upper-crust eateries and taverns all the time.
I believe Ed got the line from one of the School For Scandal-era plays he saw at Stratford (the actor Brian Bedford using it constantly as the "zounds!" -style interjection of his major character). [By "Stratford" I mean the fifty-odd-year-old Shakespearean Festival held annually in Straford, Ontario.)
love,
THO



Was the noble ever named, and/or any info given about him? I'm just curious about him, now. Not enough to add to the Ed queue, but if there's anything you could share, I'd appreciate it.

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The Hooded One
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'Twas Lord Roaringhorn, I think. I may be misremembering, though; it could have been one of the other two "roaring old" noble lords who were Roaringhorn's drinking chums. Ed played them all like the classic Fielding character Squire Alworthy: salt of the earth roistering, burly, hard-quaffing and harder eating old rips. Blunt, leering, gusto-for-life sorts.
The Company of Crazed Venturers bumped into them more than we Knights did (probably because the senior players, common to both groups, had learned quite well what they were like and saw good reasons to often avoid them ).
love,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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Thanks for that info, my lady!

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GoCeraf
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That's more informative than I'd have expected, thank you.

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Blueblade
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Dear THO and Ed,
Another Realmslore question from a loyal Realms campaigner.
As I recall, Ed detailed the city of Teziir for DRAGON, must be two years ago now (it was supposed to follow Crimmor into print). I seem to recall mention of Chris Perkins being given copies of this, after Paizo's license expired.
Do we know the fate of this lore? Any chance of it appearing anywhere, that you've heard?
Thanks,
BB
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