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DDH_101
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 :  05:43:13  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage  Click to see DDH_101's MSN Messenger address Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a question about Bhaalspawns. I just re-read the Faiths and Pantheons manual and saw a bit about how creatures taht have a mortal and a deity as a parent are quasi-deities or hero deities. They are all immortal and supposedly are quite powerful too. So I don't get how many of the Bhaalspawns don't even know about their own heritage or could have died from old age and everything...

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Kuje
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 :  07:26:12  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

I have a question about Bhaalspawns. I just re-read the Faiths and Pantheons manual and saw a bit about how creatures taht have a mortal and a deity as a parent are quasi-deities or hero deities. They are all immortal and supposedly are quite powerful too. So I don't get how many of the Bhaalspawns don't even know about their own heritage or could have died from old age and everything...



Good point but then there are a few others who are offspring of deities and they are not hero or quasi deities. Take the Seven Sister's for instance. :) I'm not sure how to answer your reply though because it would make sense that Bhaalspawn should know they are different after thier powers come out......

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Adrian Moonbow
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 :  09:57:27  Show Profile  Visit Adrian Moonbow's Homepage Send Adrian Moonbow a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome to the boards kuje31, I've missed you...

AFAIK Faiths and Pantheons is 3e (right?), while the Bhaalspawn concept was hatched out in 2nd ed. So could it be as simple as a conversion error?

I would agree with kuje: They are not hero- or quasi deities.

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Kuje
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 :  18:14:45  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Adrian Moonbow

Welcome to the boards kuje31, I've missed you...

AFAIK Faiths and Pantheons is 3e (right?), while the Bhaalspawn concept was hatched out in 2nd ed. So could it be as simple as a conversion error?

I would agree with kuje: They are not hero- or quasi deities.



I've been lurking ever since the novel boards over on the WOTC boards got closed, but I didn't sign up here until yesterday.

Yes F&P is 3e and that was my thoughts on offspring being hero or quasi deites also, since the Bhaalspawn from the novels was originally stat'd in 2e.

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DDH_101
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Posted - 06 Feb 2004 :  00:13:36  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage  Click to see DDH_101's MSN Messenger address Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
kuje, I don't really about the Seven Sisters though... They are all immortal and possess a lot of power in the Realms. I guess it's deity's choice of their offspring. For example, the offspring of the orc deities Gruumsh and Luthic, Bahgtru, is a lesser deity. Maybe it's how much power the deity divulge to their offsprings? I say this because Bhaal had many offsprings and maybe he just gave them all very little powers...

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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

kuje, I don't really about the Seven Sisters though... They are all immortal and possess a lot of power in the Realms. I guess it's deity's choice of their offspring. For example, the offspring of the orc deities Gruumsh and Luthic, Bahgtru, is a lesser deity. Maybe it's how much power the deity divulge to their offsprings? I say this because Bhaal had many offsprings and maybe he just gave them all very little powers...



I can agree that it might depend on how much power the deity grants thier offspring. Yes they Seven Sisters have a lot of power and the like but they are not deities themselves. :)

Maybe Bhaal's blood was to diluted or some thing, it's hard to say and as we said the Bhaalspawn were originally created in 2e so 2e had different rules on such things.

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Cyric
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Posted - 06 Feb 2004 :  13:36:19  Show Profile  Visit Cyric's Homepage  Click to see Cyric's MSN Messenger address Send Cyric a Private Message  Reply with Quote
baldurs gate 2 was so funn and maney of them where powerful....
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PyrateJenni
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I wonder where "Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II" fits in the canon?


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Bakra
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As noted earlier there was a Dragon article on Bhaalspwan characters, if you don't consider Dragon official then take this next part into consideration. In the poorly written novels the main hero choose not to accept his father's heritage, once he chose not to accept godhood, Bhaal's realm dissolved. In one of the current source book (which the title escapes my memory at the moment)from Wizards, this sourcebook gave descriptions of the Planes and which god/goddess lived on it. There was a very brief (one sentence)mention that Bhaal's realm on that plane just recently vanished. This is probably the only nod Wizards will give to the Bhaalspawn saga.
Overall, it is up to the dm on whatever he considers 'canon' or not.
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Kuje
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 :  00:16:56  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PyrateJenni

I wonder where "Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II" fits in the canon?


Ed was asked by WOTC to write that sourcebook so it ties into the games, just like Pools of Radiance:Attack on Myth Drannor, or Curse of the Azure Bonds, or Ruins of Adventure does for some of the older and newer games that also had novels for them.

Jim Butler said it best. :)

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Arivia
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quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
In one of the current source book (which the title escapes my memory at the moment)from Wizards, this sourcebook gave descriptions of the Planes and which god/goddess lived on it. There was a very brief (one sentence)mention that Bhaal's realm on that plane just recently vanished. This is probably the only nod Wizards will give to the Bhaalspawn saga.
Overall, it is up to the dm on whatever he considers 'canon' or not.



PGtF, page 165, under the Lost Planes heading.

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Israfel666
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Posted - 01 May 2004 :  23:27:09  Show Profile  Visit Israfel666's Homepage  Send Israfel666 an ICQ Message Send Israfel666 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PyrateJenni
I wonder where "Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II" fits in the canon?
Volo's Guide to BG2 is related to the Bhaalspawn saga only in that it acts as a guide to the same places that you visit in the Shadows of Amn video game. It has nothing or very little to do with the game itself. But if you have a friend that just played BG2 and you want to introduce him to tabletop FR, then Volo's Guide is an excellent idea ;)

quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
There was a very brief (one sentence)mention that Bhaal's realm on that plane just recently vanished. This is probably the only nod Wizards will give to the Bhaalspawn saga.

That sentence only implies that Bhaal is dead, which would have been true with or without the Bhaalspawn saga (as presented in the novels).

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Jeff_K
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Posted - 19 Oct 2004 :  21:58:41  Show Profile  Visit Jeff_K's Homepage Send Jeff_K a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You've lost me with all this talk of "canon". I've been a Forgotten Realms fan for 5 years, and yet everyone seems to know more about it than me. Where do you get this information?
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Capn Charlie
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"Canon" is an old religious term about what is official. No matter if a game was released with the FR logo on it, saying it was in the realms, it doesn't "count" because the officials say it doesn't. Which leads me to ask why it was released as an FR product... but still.

And as for your time as a FR fan... some of these guys have been avidly reading everything for, quite literally, decades. It is not surprising that in that time they have amassed a lot of knowledge about the Realms.

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the psychotic seaotter
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Posted - 27 Nov 2004 :  05:16:40  Show Profile  Visit the psychotic seaotter's Homepage  Send the psychotic seaotter a Yahoo! Message Send the psychotic seaotter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As far as I am concerned the books and games are not canon. Thats not saying there are no Bhaalspawn in my FR but that the Events of BG has not happened.

It's as was mentioned before like everything it's up to the DM what is canon and what isn't. Funny that I chose not to use any events in my game but I have hinted that someof the events in Neverwinter Nights may be happening in my world. However what I am including is nowhere near the complet events of the game.

However I also see canon as relative to what the DM wants for his game.

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Kuje
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Posted - 27 Nov 2004 :  06:15:36  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter

As far as I am concerned the books and games are not canon. Thats not saying there are no Bhaalspawn in my FR but that the Events of BG has not happened.

It's as was mentioned before like everything it's up to the DM what is canon and what isn't. Funny that I chose not to use any events in my game but I have hinted that someof the events in Neverwinter Nights may be happening in my world. However what I am including is nowhere near the complet events of the game. He also wrote a sourcebook to tie in with those games, as I mentioned many months ago in this thread.

However I also see canon as relative to what the DM wants for his game.



That's nice but this isn't how it works.

There is the official canon from TSR/WOTC and then there is the homebrew canon for each of our games. Ed, the creator of the world, has said there has to be a official company canon and if you, or I, or anyone, as a DM, wants to change that then thats fine. But according to the official TSR canon the Bhaalspawn saga exists since it was written up in Dragon and given novels and Ed also supplied notes for those games most likely.

So there is a major difference between what your version of the setting is and what my version of the setting is and what TSR'S/WOTC's version of the setting is and we were discussing the TSR/WOTC version so they are canon. This isn't that hard to understand. :)

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Capn Charlie
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Right, there is no choice about what is or is not canon, it either is, or is not, like the color blue. You can use or not use, or alter, or ignore canon, but used or not it is still canon.

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the psychotic seaotter
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I'm glad you see it that way but I never really have. I feel that if you don't use it it doesn't exist and thats it. Maybe it's just my way of reconciling my games vs. 'official' canon *shrug* then again maybe I forgot my medicine....

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Kuje
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Posted - 27 Nov 2004 :  07:20:39  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter

I'm glad you see it that way but I never really have. I feel that if you don't use it it doesn't exist and thats it. Maybe it's just my way of reconciling my games vs. 'official' canon *shrug* then again maybe I forgot my medicine....



It's not how I see it. It's how the companies who make FR material see it. How the game designers see it. How the novel authors see it. There is a official TSR/WOTC canon and then there is homebrew canon. It has always been this way and it continues to be this way. I wish I could think like that. I don't use half the Realms Shaking Events so then, by that reasoning, they never happened in official Realms canon. I wish!

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the psychotic seaotter
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Posted - 27 Nov 2004 :  15:16:30  Show Profile  Visit the psychotic seaotter's Homepage  Send the psychotic seaotter a Yahoo! Message Send the psychotic seaotter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31

quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter

I'm glad you see it that way but I never really have. I feel that if you don't use it it doesn't exist and thats it. Maybe it's just my way of reconciling my games vs. 'official' canon *shrug* then again maybe I forgot my medicine....



It's not how I see it. It's how the companies who make FR material see it. How the game designers see it. How the novel authors see it. There is a official TSR/WOTC canon and then there is homebrew canon. It has always been this way and it continues to be this way. I wish I could think like that. I don't use half the Realms Shaking Events so then, by that reasoning, they never happened in official Realms canon. I wish!




I'll say this and quit before we continue to derail the thread to oblivion...

I really could care less what the powers that be think. With all do respect to the talent that created and continues to create FR If I pay the money for it and take the time to run it 'canon' is no more than suggestion. It can be official all they say or want it to be but it does not become so unless I acknowledge it.

The only exception I will make is in the point of novels but as far as I am concerned they take place in a different universe.(besides if you want to see a real canon mess look up the debates on what is or isn't Conan canon )

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Kuje
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Posted - 27 Nov 2004 :  17:43:12  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
I'll say this and quit before we continue to derail the thread to oblivion...

I really could care less what the powers that be think. With all do respect to the talent that created and continues to create FR If I pay the money for it and take the time to run it 'canon' is no more than suggestion. It can be official all they say or want it to be but it does not become so unless I acknowledge it.

The only exception I will make is in the point of novels but as far as I am concerned they take place in a different universe.(besides if you want to see a real canon mess look up the debates on what is or isn't Conan canon )


That's nice but I say again that's not how it works.

There is again your canon and my canon and then there is the official TSR/WOTC canon which is the only official canon. Everything else is hombrew. If you don't like it, fine. But I guarentee that you read the official canon unless you have never bought another sourcebook or novel except for the Old Grey Box and even that is still official canon.

I never said, and I've said it repeatedly, that people have to follow official canon but IT STILL exists and to claim that "If I don't use it then it doesn't exist," is a little naive.

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the psychotic seaotter
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quote:
Originally posted by kuje31

quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
I'll say this and quit before we continue to derail the thread to oblivion...

I really could care less what the powers that be think. With all do respect to the talent that created and continues to create FR If I pay the money for it and take the time to run it 'canon' is no more than suggestion. It can be official all they say or want it to be but it does not become so unless I acknowledge it.

The only exception I will make is in the point of novels but as far as I am concerned they take place in a different universe.(besides if you want to see a real canon mess look up the debates on what is or isn't Conan canon )


That's nice but I say again that's not how it works.

There is again your canon and my canon and then there is the official TSR/WOTC canon which is the only official canon. Everything else is hombrew. If you don't like it, fine. But I guarentee that you read the official canon unless you have never bought another sourcebook or novel except for the Old Grey Box and even that is still official canon.

I never said, and I've said it repeatedly, that people have to follow official canon but IT STILL exists and to claim that "If I don't use it then it doesn't exist," is a little naive.



It's obvious you'll never see my point. However I do respect your but absolutely do not agree with it. Canon is what I want and acknowledge whats left doesn't exist in my book.

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the psychotic seaotter
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However the Bhaalspawn Saga creates too many problems with the timeline if it is considered canon.

The Time of Troubles happens in 1358, from all indications in the first novel theis was when the Bhaalspawn would have been impregnated.

Now if the saga begins at 1369 the Bhaalspawn are only 10-11 years old and Sarevok is quite big for his age. However I have found nowhere that says the Bhaalsapwn were impregnated early.

So as far as I know or am concerned at best the saga is apocraphyl or it never happened no matter what the powers that be says unless the little conflict of age is resolved there can be no way it happened.

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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter

However the Bhaalspawn Saga creates too many problems with the timeline if it is considered canon.

The Time of Troubles happens in 1358, from all indications in the first novel theis was when the Bhaalspawn would have been impregnated.

Now if the saga begins at 1369 the Bhaalspawn are only 10-11 years old and Sarevok is quite big for his age. However I have found nowhere that says the Bhaalsapwn were impregnated early.

So as far as I know or am concerned at best the saga is apocraphyl or it never happened no matter what the powers that be says unless the little conflict of age is resolved there can be no way it happened.



Except they aren't apocraphyl and they are canon and I don't care what you say because again it's naive to believe that there is no official produced canon when the CREATOR of the world has said there is. But right you don't care what the CREATOR of the world says either.

Who said that Bhaal had to impregnate his offspring during the ToT's? Some of them had dragon blood or giant blood or elven blood, etc, so they could have been impregnated long before the ToT's. Where are you getting that assumption that that is the only time he could have done it?

And no. Official canon, again, isn't what you want to acknowledge. That is your homebrew version or my homebrew version or Eds or anyone elses and then there is ONLY one official canon and that is made by TSR/WOTC. Again this isn't that hard to understand. As soon as you ignore one part of the official canon then you are playing homebrew canon but the OFFICIAL canon still exists and to claim otherwise is very very naive.

And the canon article that contains the 3e Bhaalspawn template says as much. "Bhaal saw his death during the ToT's so he went around making children to store his divine essance in and they were supposed to bring him back to life after the ToT's." Gee that sounds a lot like what Mystra/Midnight-Mystra does with her Chosen.

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Elrond Half Elven
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i can see the point of both kuje31, and the psychotic seaotter.

However I think that the psychotic seaotter has picked up the wrong end of the stick as it where.

Kuje31 isn't saying that Canon sources MUST be recognized IN YOUR GAME. But rather what he is saying is that a Canon source is an OFFICIAL source which, wither or not you incorperate it into your game, is the blueprints that all other FR product work from.

quote:
Originally Posted by the psychotic seaotter
However I also see canon as relative to what the DM wants for his game.


What you interperate as Canon here I interperate as History, events and other general 'fluff'. Canon is not actually these things but rather the official verdict this is 'Set in stone' to a certian degree. That is you have no power to change the 'official (Read Publishers view' of the Realms. So if your campaign branches of from the 'official sourcebooks' (For example say you decided that the turmoil in the Zhentarium never occured) then you must assimilate and convert the Canon source (That is the Officially published infromation) to fit you Campaign.

What I'm trying to sat is Canon Information is the Info that is provided by the Game Designers not the information which you incorperate into the Game.

Lets try and get the discussion back on topic before Alaundo comes(If anyone wishes to talk about this I will over Private chat or in another post)

Incidently I like the idea of Bhaalspawn but I think I would only use it in a campaign where it was part of the main plot and I certianly wouldn't use any of the BG events.

Hanx
Elrond

Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe
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