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| Garen Thal |
Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 16:04:25
Here’s Musing #4: Gods of Magic. I’m well aware that this one will probably the most controversial of the Musings, but it’s been two weeks since the last one, and it’s Monday, so I’ve got to get back on track.
Try to remember that I’m working from existing material, and I’ve got rules to follow. No matter what, I hope everyone enjoys, and I’m looking forward to the discussion that follows. |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 11 Nov 2008 : 17:02:27
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Will you updated Mystra's entry with what's reported in Fractured Sky? Or will your musings remain outside 'the box'?
Nope. Like the Auril/Akadi thing, once a Musing is posted, that's the tale I'm going with. Some of these Musings have been worked on for some time now, and while I will do my best to keep up with lore as it's released, the rules I bound myself to relate only to existing lore, not things published after a Musing goes up. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 11 Nov 2008 : 15:40:01
Will you updated Mystra's entry with what's reported in Fractured Sky? Or will your musings remain outside 'the box'? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 01:46:19
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Personally, I like Kyrene's take on the whole thing (see my sig)...
Which page of your sig?   |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 06 Nov 2008 : 23:46:46
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
<snip>... hearing the rumored "official" version from The Fractured Sky...<snip>
And would this be the "official" version already published, or a new "official" version coming out through DDi or other sources? I'm not subscribing to DDi so I haven't been paying attention in case they do something that makes me subscribe.
Personally, I like Kyrene's take on the whole thing (see my sig)...
It is official I guess, since it is published in The Fractured Sky novel. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 06 Nov 2008 : 19:20:57
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
<snip>... hearing the rumored "official" version from The Fractured Sky...<snip>
And would this be the "official" version already published, or a new "official" version coming out through DDi or other sources? I'm not subscribing to DDi so I haven't been paying attention in case they do something that makes me subscribe.
Personally, I like Kyrene's take on the whole thing (see my sig)... |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 06 Nov 2008 : 14:26:30
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
Even though I am not on board totally with how you envision Mystra's murder, hearing the rumored "official" version from The Fractured Sky...
Makes me appreciate you talent and what you tried to do even more Brian, keep up the good work.
Same here. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 21:39:46
Even though I am not on board totally with how you envision Mystra's murder, hearing the rumored "official" version from The Fractured Sky...
Makes me appreciate you talent and what you tried to do even more Brian, keep up the good work. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 17:00:50
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal
Cyric's guise has nothing to do with Mystra's change in this tale. It's just his means of approaching the Lady of Mysteries with an excuse (delivering a message from her former mortal lover), rather than him having to concoct a more elaborate story.
OK, I take it that's what you mean when you said that Mystra was approached with "a final farewell from Kelemvor"?
I still have to admit I find the story to be odd. But I appreciate that you are taking the time to explain it more to me.
quote:
The stripping of Mystra's divinity is something an order of magnitude more complex. I'm still waiting to see the final fate of Mask from Paul Kemp's trilogy before I go into more detail on that matter, but there is an explanation. It's not nearly so simple as "Cyric had cooties" or "Mystra's a sucker," and it involves both their mortal histories and the history of the position as steward of the Weave.
I have no doubt that you have something complex in store for this goddess.
I'm about to be a bit blunt (but honest) here--and of course, everything I say is being said in a respectful tone. Why not just wait until you are able to give us these important (and hopefully clarifying) details? The story we heard in GHotR about Mystra's death obviously struck some people as quite bizarre. Again, no disrespect here, but I think this new (slightly more detailed) explanation is only a tiny bit less bizarre--the net result is that we still have a bizarre story, this time with the explicit caveat that it's not as nonsensical as it might appear to be, as there are highly important (but clandestine) details that will come at an indeterminate time in the future that cause it all to make sense.
I...simply don't see a huge difference there.
Please don't think I'm trying to knock your work or discourage you. I'm just pointing out the "snag" that I see, and I think it's one reason (if not the reason) why this particular musing turned out to be as controversial as you expected it would be.
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| Garen Thal |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 16:46:06
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I guess I just still don't understand why Mystra would suddenly turn mortal upon meeting up with a "mortal servant of Kelemvor". I'm sorry, Garen, but I just find that bizarre. Or did I not understand it correctly?
Cyric's guise has nothing to do with Mystra's change in this tale. It's just his means of approaching the Lady of Mysteries with an excuse (delivering a message from her former mortal lover), rather than him having to concoct a more elaborate story.
The stripping of Mystra's divinity is something an order of magnitude more complex. I'm still waiting to see the final fate of Mask from Paul Kemp's trilogy before I go into more detail on that matter, but there is an explanation. It's not nearly so simple as "Cyric had cooties" or "Mystra's a sucker," and it involves both their mortal histories and the history of the position as steward of the Weave. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 16:32:38
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal
At that moment, no. In the instant that she was killed, Mystra was effectively *not* Mystra, but something more vulnerable and mortal. It means a lot more than simply "she had fewer hp." For a brief moment, Mystra was, for all intents and purposes, entirely divorced from the Weave.
I guess I just still don't understand why Mystra would have the desire to suddenly turn mortal upon meeting up with a random "mortal servant of Kelemvor". I'm sorry, Garen, but I just find that bizarre. Or did I not understand it correctly?
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A lot of the discussion of this most-important event seems to center less around questions of "why is the sky blue?" than "why can't the sky be green?"
With all due respect, is that really the best comparison? There is a solid scientific reason for the sky appearing to be blue. In this case we are just talking about fictional characters in a story.* FR canon is no less "made up" than anything written by a fan.
But still, see above. I have to admit I think the explanation for why "it is the way it is" is strange by any measure of the word.
*Which I know prompts the question of "Why do people care so much, then?", but I hope you see my point. |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 13:50:04
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Good points all.
But I don't think Garen can or should answer them. He's giving his interpretation of events based on the (rather skimpy, IMHO) facts that are already present. We've been through all of this before, in many different threads and the answer always comes out the same. So rather than picking up the shovel to beat this dead horse again, why don't we let it rest?
Actually, Ashe, I'm perfectly happy to answer questions or respond to concerns, at least for a while.
I'd like, however, to keep the discussion to what people think about the explanation, not about what I'm explaining. A lot of the discussion of this most-important event seems to center less around questions of "why is the sky blue?" than "why can't the sky be green?" I already know that people are dissatisfied with the death of Mystra, and no amount of explanation is going to reverse that death or people's attitudes about it (although there *is* an out provided, for those that want it). All anyone can do, now that Mystra's death is canon, is try and provide an explanation that's consistent with existing Realmslore and the understanding that folks have of the Realms. |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 13:37:14
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
I guess what I dont buy is , how many times have we seen a chosen take much more "damage" than a simple dagger between the ribs and survive?
A dagger between the ribs, if properly applied, can be (for all intents and purposes) instantly fatal. I won't go into details, because they're fairly gruesome, but in anatomical terms--forget the game for just a moment--you can do a tremendous amount of damage with one strike.quote:
She had no shielding at all? No contingencies? She couldn't have used the raw energy of the weave to heal herself as she fryed him with it?
At that moment, no. In the instant that she was killed, Mystra was effectively *not* Mystra, but something more vulnerable and mortal. It means a lot more than simply "she had fewer hp." For a brief moment, Mystra was, for all intents and purposes, entirely divorced from the Weave. When that moment ended, that connection tried to reestablish itself (being a natural result of her mantle as Goddess of Magic), but it was already too late--Mystra was dead, and the Weave literally tore itself apart for lack of the proper being to carefully arrange its many threads.
--
Remember, if you would, the creation of the Weave and its first goddess, Mystryl: Selûne tore magic from herself and hurled it at her dark sister, Shar. The magics of Selûne and Shar combined into a being--Mystryl--who forever after was to stand between the sisters as a balance, and guardian of all magic.
What, then if the Goddess of Magic died--not once, but twice--to be replaced by a being that was no longer a keeper of that balance? What if Shar found the opportunity to employ her long-woven Shadow Weave more fully, and the means, perhaps, of robbing the neophyte Mystra of the power that once originated from her? What if the Lady of Loss somehow found a way to cloak a god briefly in the magic of Shadow, and rob divinity from a once-mortal deity, even if only for a time? What if the Dark Chronology had associated with it prophecies and portents that we don't know about? And the Liar shall return to the Mage all that was once hers, and offer her another gift: Death.
And what if, in the wake of all these things, a skilled assassin came upon the Goddess of Magic, and wreathed her in Shadow, returning her to her mortal form just long enough to slay? Robbed of her divinity, essentially returned to her form as Midnight, she had no great spells or defenses, no contingencies to call upon, no control of the Weave to exert, in that moment.
Sure, it's a lot of "what-ifs", but that's exactly the point of the exercise: to make sense of things that haven't been explained by filling in the blanks. We have two points on the map in reality, and I'm merely trying to chart the best course... not to make the destination more appealing.
At the very least, let's enjoy the trip. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 13:02:17
Good points all.
But I don't think Garen can or should answer them. He's giving his interpretation of events based on the (rather skimpy, IMHO) facts that are already present. We've been through all of this before, in many different threads and the answer always comes out the same. So rather than picking up the shovel to beat this dead horse again, why don't we let it rest? |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 12:54:30
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
But just don't see it possible in her seat of power, with Cyric sloughing off most of his godhood. And no way, no how does she let anyone touch her.
Ahh, but it is precisely his sloughing off of divinity that allows him to approach Mystra in the first place. The most powerful goddess of a world is not going to allow any other deity to enter her home, but a powerful goddess, still fairly new and naive in her power, would see no threat in a mortal, particularly not one disguised as a servant of her former lover.
I understand that some people aren't going to buy Cyric's killing of Mystra no matter what the backstory is. But Cyric knows Mystra, and both he and Shar have been looking for ways to permanently eliminate the Goddess of Magic. Combine Mystra's inexperience, her mortal failings and clinging to emotional ties--which are touched on in Realmslore--with the carefully hatched plot of one of the world's most ancient deities and a god so devious as to abandon his godhood for a time in order to slay his enemy, and I think there's a plausible tale there.
One last thing: why "no way, no how?" Mystra was a human, once, and humans are consoled by human contact. Despite her divinity, there are hints and direct statements of Mystra's need to stay in contact with humanity throughout Realmslore. If, confronted with something that wrenched her heartstrings (like a final farewell from Kelemvor, for example), Mystra surrendered to her emotions for a moment, it's certainly possible--if not likely--that she might have welcomed such a touch. Not all deities have a "YOU DARE TO ENTER MY PRESENCE, MEWLING WEAKLING?!?" mentality, and the Second Mystra is least likely to have that attitude, in my opinion.
Still, I appreciate your honesty about the topic. I knew this one wouldn't please everyone (I'm putting paint on a house whose foundations are crumbling, in the opinions of some), but I thought the issue needed exploration...
I guess what I dont buy is , how many times have we seen a chosen take much more "damage" than a simple dagger between the ribs and survive?
She had no shielding at all? No contingencies? She couldn't have used the raw energy of the weave to heal herself as she fryed him with it? |
| Jakk |
Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 05:16:48
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Uzzy
If the killing of Mystra had been explained like this originally, I'd still have had the same reaction to this incoherent and needless mess.
I have to admit, so would I...
As would I... recall my earlier verdict...
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
... I have to say, it almost suspends my disbelief of the whole event in the first place. ... Of course, I also now understand the deaths of the gods of magic in the context of 4e: as I've stated elsewhere, no power like 4e arcane magic could be taken seriously if it had divine backing, nor could its deities. Heck, even without gods of magic, I have trouble taking 4e arcane magic seriously. (Stop! Bad rant!)
I left the rest of the paragraph in there to emphasize how I feel about the deaths of the gods of magic... apart from Velsharoon, who got exactly what was coming to him after his betrayal of Talos. 
I've already posted how I think the Smellplague should have unfolded with the death of Mystra and the destruction of the Weave in an earlier thread... link forthcoming. When I have my alternative scenario complete, I will be posting it in its entirety; so far, I've just posted bits and pieces here and there as they occur to me, and some details may change in the reconciliation of all the parts. Now that I'm working again,      regarding the choice between having a paycheck and finding time for Realmslore.
Edit: As promised (or threatened): Link to my post regarding the plausible results of the death of Mystra and the Weave: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11596 |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 22:29:45
quote:
Originally posted by Uzzy
If the killing of Mystra had been explained like this originally, I'd still have had the same reaction to this incoherent and needless mess.
I have to admit, so would I... |
| Arioch |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 17:42:03
quote:
Still, I appreciate your honesty about the topic. I knew this one wouldn't please everyone (I'm putting paint on a house whose foundations are crumbling, in the opinions of some), but I thought the issue needed exploration...
I agree with you... and you have my complete support on this 
... even if my vision of the killing of Mystra is different from yours
Shar already failed to strike at Mystra, so I prefer to consider Cyric as the plot starter. |
| Uzzy |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 17:40:31
If the killing of Mystra had been explained like this originally, I'd still have had the same reaction to this incoherent and needless mess. By the way, Greater Goddess with no contingencies? Only a year after the whole Tyr/Helm insanity that Cyric gets suspected of?
Frankly, I'd have a better time believing that Mystra died falling down some stairs. It'd have the advantage of being less offensive, for one. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 17:19:47
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
But just don't see it possible in her seat of power, with Cyric sloughing off most of his godhood. And no way, no how does she let anyone touch her.
Ahh, but it is precisely his sloughing off of divinity that allows him to approach Mystra in the first place. The most powerful goddess of a world is not going to allow any other deity to enter her home, but a powerful goddess, still fairly new and naive in her power, would see no threat in a mortal, particularly not one disguised as a servant of her former lover.
I understand that some people aren't going to buy Cyric's killing of Mystra no matter what the backstory is. But Cyric knows Mystra, and both he and Shar have been looking for ways to permanently eliminate the Goddess of Magic. Combine Mystra's inexperience, her mortal failings and clinging to emotional ties--which are touched on in Realmslore--with the carefully hatched plot of one of the world's most ancient deities and a god so devious as to abandon his godhood for a time in order to slay his enemy, and I think there's a plausible tale there.
One last thing: why "no way, no how?" Mystra was a human, once, and humans are consoled by human contact. Despite her divinity, there are hints and direct statements of Mystra's need to stay in contact with humanity throughout Realmslore. If, confronted with something that wrenched her heartstrings (like a final farewell from Kelemvor, for example), Mystra surrendered to her emotions for a moment, it's certainly possible--if not likely--that she might have welcomed such a touch. Not all deities have a "YOU DARE TO ENTER MY PRESENCE, MEWLING WEAKLING?!?" mentality, and the Second Mystra is least likely to have that attitude, in my opinion.
Still, I appreciate your honesty about the topic. I knew this one wouldn't please everyone (I'm putting paint on a house whose foundations are crumbling, in the opinions of some), but I thought the issue needed exploration...
To get this thread back on topic (my responsibility, since I pulled it off course), I like your reasoning here. Things make even less nonsense now than they did after reading your original musing on this topic ("more sense" still doesn't feel right, despite (or perhaps because of) my comments on 4e magic) and I think you've done as well with explaining this event as anybody could hope. Your home improvement analogy may be fitting, but we won't know either way until the bean-counters at Wizbro announce the effects of the change... at which time, those of us who disagree with the announcement (whatever it is) will promptly scream "Coverup!" The primary effect of FR 4e has been to deeply divide the Realms fanbase, and that may well have been its intended effect... if I sound paranoid, it's because I am. Paranoia is the natural (if not intended) consequence of supporting an organization that doesn't ask for your opinion until it's too late for that opinion to matter.
Anyway, enough paranoid ranting. In short: This is the most interesting Musing yet, probably in part because it looks at the single event that inspired me to do what Ed has encouraged us to do from the OGB days and throw out canon that I didn't like. Prior to the Smellplague, I was quite happy to use the Realms as provided, because I loved the world and the people in it. Hopefully I've corrected the course of the scroll sufficiently and we can get back to discussion of the fates of Mystra, Azuth, Savras, and Velsharoon, the last of whom is the only one whose fate I am truly satisfied with.
Btw: Savras is part of the answer to the question "How do we fix this?" if the owners of the Realms IP (whoever they are) decide to wind back the clock for 5e. Just a teaser; I have it all worked out.  |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 15:43:25
As much as I appreciate the discussion of Mystra in relationship to other D&D deities, I'd ask that we stick to discussions relative to the topic. I would rather this thread not become a back-and-forth about which source describes Wee Jas as what sort of deity, which it's already threatening to do.
Thanks. |
| Ayunken-vanzan |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 15:27:03
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Just a nitpick--Wee Jas is a goddess of vanity, but not necessarily a goddess of love (or beauty, for that matter).
This is not quite correct. Her portfolio is "beauty (vanity)", and Dragon #350 described her as: "Although usually overlooked, Wee Jas is a love goddess." (P. 22) |
| Na-Gang |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 14:20:53
I like the poetic description of Cyric killing Mystra, if it had been offically described more like that (or AT ALL!) I think more people would accept it. |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 14:00:03
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
But just don't see it possible in her seat of power, with Cyric sloughing off most of his godhood. And no way, no how does she let anyone touch her.
Ahh, but it is precisely his sloughing off of divinity that allows him to approach Mystra in the first place. The most powerful goddess of a world is not going to allow any other deity to enter her home, but a powerful goddess, still fairly new and naive in her power, would see no threat in a mortal, particularly not one disguised as a servant of her former lover.
I understand that some people aren't going to buy Cyric's killing of Mystra no matter what the backstory is. But Cyric knows Mystra, and both he and Shar have been looking for ways to permanently eliminate the Goddess of Magic. Combine Mystra's inexperience, her mortal failings and clinging to emotional ties--which are touched on in Realmslore--with the carefully hatched plot of one of the world's most ancient deities and a god so devious as to abandon his godhood for a time in order to slay his enemy, and I think there's a plausible tale there.
One last thing: why "no way, no how?" Mystra was a human, once, and humans are consoled by human contact. Despite her divinity, there are hints and direct statements of Mystra's need to stay in contact with humanity throughout Realmslore. If, confronted with something that wrenched her heartstrings (like a final farewell from Kelemvor, for example), Mystra surrendered to her emotions for a moment, it's certainly possible--if not likely--that she might have welcomed such a touch. Not all deities have a "YOU DARE TO ENTER MY PRESENCE, MEWLING WEAKLING?!?" mentality, and the Second Mystra is least likely to have that attitude, in my opinion.
Still, I appreciate your honesty about the topic. I knew this one wouldn't please everyone (I'm putting paint on a house whose foundations are crumbling, in the opinions of some), but I thought the issue needed exploration... |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 13:27:55
quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Boccob is (not need to assume he is gone, because why should he or Wee Jas disappear because of an accident happening to a FR goddess in another universe?) - Boccob is true neutral, whereas Wee Jas is LN. (She is also the goddess of death and love, making her survival much more likely, and a "racial" deity (being a Suel goddess). But given the fate of the elven pantheon, that does not mean much.)
Just a nitpick--Wee Jas is a goddess of vanity, but not necessarily a goddess of love (or beauty, for that matter). Also, Greyhawk gods that originated as deities of a specific human pantheon are not necessarily quite so provincial in the "current" Greyhawk. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 13:15:38
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
On a distantly related note, I'm curious as to whether the strategy of catering to those who don't like the setting has resulted in a net gain of sales for the 4e Realms. Probably not, because the people who hated Mystra hated Elminster just as much, and for an equally irrational reason, and he's still around.
Wow, can you imagine how ticked off everyone would be if they *had* killed off El and/or Drizzt as well?  |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 12:28:08
I appreciate your musings and the time and energy you devote to them.
This here though just proves to me how wrong killing Mystra in Dweomerheart is/was. Maybe.....just maybe, if in his guise Cyric tricked Mystra into leaving her realm for a reconcilitory meetimg with Kelemvor.....he might have got the drop on her. But just don't see it possible in her seat of power, with Cyric sloughing off most of his godhood. And no way, no how does she let anyone touch her.
Oh well.
If even you cannot make it work for me, then I will just have to ignore it, let go and move on.
Thanks Brian! |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 06:01:25
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
On a distantly related note, I'm curious as to whether the strategy of catering to those who don't like the setting has resulted in a net gain of sales for the 4e Realms. Probably not, because the people who hated Mystra hated Elminster just as much, and for an equally irrational reason, and he's still around.
The 4E Realms are "done" and sales will likely taper off into 2009 to no doubt very small amounts (in relative terms) by 2010. The only prospect of reversing that likely trend will be some awesome DDI content. I guess we'll all have to wait and see how that eventuates. Now the focus is on selling core products to help DMs and players enhance their 4E Realms.
-- George Krashos
P.S. Sorry to derail the thread. I like the 'take' on the death of Mystra Brian, and the write-up has set a few tiny wheels in motion regarding various ideas. Good job! |
| Ayunken-vanzan |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 05:49:24
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Boccob was LN, and the complaint against Mystra was that she was good-aligned.
Boccob is (not need to assume he is gone, because why should he or Wee Jas disappear because of an accident happening to a FR goddess in another universe?) - Boccob is true neutral, whereas Wee Jas is LN. (She is also the goddess of death and love, making her survival much more likely, and a "racial" deity (being a Suel goddess). But given the fate of the elven pantheon, that does not mean much.) |
| Jakk |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 05:35:24
Very well done, and very interesting... I have to say, it almost suspends my disbelief of the whole event in the first place. I like the explanation for Cyric gaining entrance to Dweomerheart; that was more or less what I thought had happened, but in more detail (my theory was "Shar helps Cyric get into Dweomerheart to off Mystra because Shar's a conniving b!tch"). Of course, I also now understand the deaths of the gods of magic in the context of 4e: as I've stated elsewhere, no power like 4e arcane magic could be taken seriously if it had divine backing, nor could its deities. Heck, even without gods of magic, I have trouble taking 4e arcane magic seriously. (Stop! Bad rant!)
Ahem. Anyway, as you said yourself, it probably is the most controversial of the Musings, but its controversy stems from its subject matter, not from the writing itself. You've taken a very difficult topic and brought it as close to sensibility as possible. I would suspect, regarding your speculation on new deities of arcane magic, that such a move won't happen until 5e, if then... Boccob and Wee Jas are gone from Greyhawk too, apparently, which makes no sense... Boccob was LN, and the complaint against Mystra was that she was good-aligned.
On a distantly related note, I'm curious as to whether the strategy of catering to those who don't like the setting has resulted in a net gain of sales for the 4e Realms. Probably not, because the people who hated Mystra hated Elminster just as much, and for an equally irrational reason, and he's still around.
Anyway, I'm tired, and I don't want this turning into a rant, because reading these Musings made me feel better about the Spellplague than I ever have. I still hate it with a passion and plan to completely ignore it in my campaign, but my hatred is somewhat less absolute than it was. Thank you for that, at least, as well as for a stimulating and thought-provoking Musing. |
| khorne |
Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 21:59:16
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
Interesting, but I would have to say that Azuth getting killed by Asmodeus ticks me off even more than Mystra getting killed by Cyric. Somehow it feels like a bad guy shooting a kitten in the head and not being punished for it...
I can't take credit for your disappointment there, unfortunately. This was a detail established in FRCG, and I'm just postulating on things at this point.
Relax man, I know you're not to blame for that. |
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