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Trace_Coburn
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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 Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 11:50:27
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I'd imagine that this is probably poor form on my part (being a new poster and everything), but here goes nothing.
Having been out of the FR/D&D scene for more than a decade(!), I find myself gravitating back towards it once more. Now, the thing is that I'm looking to use an original FR character as a crossover element in a fanfic set in a relatively high-profile adventure/horror universe, and this character spent much of their career on Faerun defending/representing/questing from a shrine on the fringes of the West Starwoods, north of Semberholme. (In line with what I gather is a darker tone to the Realms these days, it's been a busy career - well-organised worg-riding goblins backed by 'unknown parties', Malar-worshipping lycanthropes, 'visits' from House Jaelre... basically, they're hanging on by their fingernails.) I've downloaded most of the free files from the Wizards website, but non-online info escapes me at the moment, and even if it didn't my cash funds are a little, erm, light right now. (Damn' taxes....  )
Can anyone furnish me with some general details about the elven city of Semberholme and any outlying communities on the shores of Lake Sember? I'm not greedy/stupid enough to ask for full re-pubs of canon material - just the city's approximate population ("'so many' elves, mainly 'such-and-such' sub-type" sort of thing) and general 'flavour' sorts of info. I would like to know for certain if a mythal was ever erected there - I can't seem to find that detail in either Fall of Myth Drannor or C:EotE; I'm leaning towards 'no', for some reason....
I'd also like a little background on the elven town of Aluiantl, as shown on the map in (the .pdf of) Cormanthyr: EotE. I presume that it's abandoned, either evacuated during the fall of Myth Drannor or as part of the Retreat, but can anyone tell me if anything more has been published/written about it, in published materials or even 'officially' here at Candlekeep? Similar to the Semberholme entry above, a quick sketch of what if anything is known the city's size, purpose and general flavour would probably be ample - I can fake it from there.  ]
My Search-fu is proving really weak.... 
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D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.
FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerūn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerūn, Player's Guide to Faerūn, Power of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Silver Marches.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 13:28:45
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If you can't find it in the Cormanthyr accessory it doesn't exist - in a canonical sense at least. This source is the only one I know of with information re Semberholme (and for c. 650 DR at that). No modern info exists to my knowledge.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 14:49:22
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Firstly, welcome to Candlekeep Trace_Coburn (hmmm... I seem to remember a Trace_Coburn on another message boards -- "Minnesota Federation forever" as I recall) .
Secondly, George is indeed correct with regard to viable sources on Semberholme. The only other source I can recall at this point is the very brief mention in the FRCS 2e.
Third, and finally, there are a number of sites on the web that provide various "unofficial" lore on the elven city. Perform a google and you're sure to find them.
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Trace_Coburn
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 10:34:55
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Originally posted by The Sage
Firstly, welcome to Candlekeep Trace_Coburn (hmmm... I seem to remember a Trace_Coburn on another message boards -- "Minnesota Federation forever" as I recall) .
Aye, 'tis your 'humble' starfighter analyst come to visit. I'd've put up the 'bloody paw' as my avatar, only I was worried of looking like a Malarite.
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Secondly, George is indeed correct with regard to viable sources on Semberholme. The only other source I can recall at this point is the very brief mention in the FRCS 2e.
Third, and finally, there are a number of sites on the web that provide various "unofficial" lore on the elven city. Perform a google and you're sure to find them.
Nothing at all? [blink] How peculiar.
Oh, well - another couple of furious exchanges with Google managed to wrestle some manner of compliance out of it, showing me to the Myth Drannor fan-site population breakdowns, which look to be as close as I'm likely to get. (I know that their maps are the only hit I get when looking for 'Aluiantl'.  )
I'm certain you know that I can BS with the best of 'em, so I think that ought to do it on this topic. Thanks, guys. 
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D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.
FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerūn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerūn, Player's Guide to Faerūn, Power of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Silver Marches.
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Edited by - Trace_Coburn on 01 Mar 2006 10:37:39 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 11:21:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
Firstly, welcome to Candlekeep Trace_Coburn (hmmm... I seem to remember a Trace_Coburn on another message boards -- "Minnesota Federation forever" as I recall) .
Does that have anything to do with the Minnesota Tribe, or is it something totally different? |
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Trace_Coburn
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 11:34:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
Firstly, welcome to Candlekeep Trace_Coburn (hmmm... I seem to remember a Trace_Coburn on another message boards -- "Minnesota Federation forever" as I recall) .
Does that have anything to do with the Minnesota Tribe, or is it something totally different?
Sort'a kind'a. In the previous Fan Councils game (3067) over on the CBT.org forums, the Minnesota Federation was 'my' nation, descended from the Tribe - itself the surviving remnant of the former Clan Wolverine, according to fanon (and the background my fellow faction chiefs and I gave to the GMs). I wrote much of the background myself, and I was quite proud of the result and the RP it inspired... until the game collapsed, and the MinFed was barred from the next game for being (extremely!) non-canon. [sigh]
Ah, well. It was fun while it lasted... and in my heart, at least, that culmination of McEvedy's dream will never die.  |
D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.
FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerūn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerūn, Player's Guide to Faerūn, Power of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Silver Marches.
I just got back into this, okay? Give me time (or better yet money) - I'll catch up soon enough. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 12:48:04
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Bah! Give me the Rasalhague Dominion any day .
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Originally posted by Trace_Coburn
Oh, well - another couple of furious exchanges with Google managed to wrestle some manner of compliance out of it, showing me to the Myth Drannor fan-site population breakdowns, which look to be as close as I'm likely to get. (I know that their maps are the only hit I get when looking for 'Aluiantl'.
That sounds about right. The last time I checked... there was also a Semberholme fansite dedicated to expanding upon the tidbits Steven Schend made available in C:EoE... but using my bookmarks just now revealed the site to be inactive.
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Edited by - The Sage on 01 Mar 2006 12:48:54 |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Mar 2006 : 16:32:18
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| You could of course go and ask Ed of the Greenwood himself in the relevant thread, and, so long as NDAs don't get in the way, get some useful answers. |
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Trace_Coburn
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 00:56:13
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Originally posted by Reefy
You could of course go and ask Ed of the Greenwood himself in the relevant thread, and, so long as NDAs don't get in the way, get some useful answers.
I toyed with the idea earlier, but the whole "Too intimidated to speak to the Creator himself" factor kicked in. I'll run it past the Chamber of Sages a little later today. |
D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.
FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerūn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerūn, Player's Guide to Faerūn, Power of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Silver Marches.
I just got back into this, okay? Give me time (or better yet money) - I'll catch up soon enough. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 01:24:07
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Oh, don't worry too much about the Old Bearded One... He's a great guy... It's The Hooded One you have to be on the lookout for  .
-- What's that my lady... Yes, I'll remove the unconscious Wooly from your chamber. Yes, Lady Herald .
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Edited by - The Sage on 03 Mar 2006 01:28:08 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 04:13:40
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Originally posted by Trace_Coburn
I toyed with the idea earlier, but the whole "Too intimidated to speak to the Creator himself" factor kicked in. I'll run it past the Chamber of Sages a little later today.
Oh no. Ed just e-mailed me to say that of all the things he hates, questions about Semberholme are just about at the top of his list ...
 Just razzing.
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Edited by - George Krashos on 03 Mar 2006 04:14:37 |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 08:42:34
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Originally posted by George Krashos
If you can't find it in the Cormanthyr accessory it doesn't exist - in a canonical sense at least. This source is the only one I know of with information re Semberholme (and for c. 650 DR at that). No modern info exists to my knowledge.
-- George Krashos
Trace, if George doesn't remember having ever seen any references to it, it probably doesn't exist (The man is a walking FR database) |
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 01:16:39
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Originally posted by Trace_Coburn
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
Firstly, welcome to Candlekeep Trace_Coburn (hmmm... I seem to remember a Trace_Coburn on another message boards -- "Minnesota Federation forever" as I recall) .
Does that have anything to do with the Minnesota Tribe, or is it something totally different?
Sort'a kind'a. In the previous Fan Councils game (3067) over on the CBT.org forums, the Minnesota Federation was 'my' nation, descended from the Tribe - itself the surviving remnant of the former Clan Wolverine, according to fanon (and the background my fellow faction chiefs and I gave to the GMs). I wrote much of the background myself, and I was quite proud of the result and the RP it inspired... until the game collapsed, and the MinFed was barred from the next game for being (extremely!) non-canon. [sigh]
Ah, well. It was fun while it lasted... and in my heart, at least, that culmination of McEvedy's dream will never die.
Don't remind me. I'm still furious the Blakists blew up the Lucien Davion
Ironically, in canon, that's about the only big Warship the FS has left!
Ehhh, but that's CBT, this' Candlekeep, so back to your question.
There's a bakground mention of the Selmberholme elves in Heirs of Prophecy by Lisa Smedman, part of the Sembia series. It's by no means detailed but covers the green elves and the some of the relics of Cormanthyr. as well as the "minor spat" between Sembia and the Elves. |
Edited by - BlackAce on 04 Mar 2006 01:19:33 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 23:26:23
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I do recall some other, minor, bits of realmslore for Semberholme in the old FR7 Hall of Heroes accessory. The write-up of the KoMD notes Merith Strongbow's tutelage in the Art and warfare in Semberholme and provides a few names etc. Small stuff which may or may not be helpful.
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