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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 02:59:07
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According to Erik Mona in Dragon Magazine 340, the Dragon Magazine 30th Anniversary issue (the June issue, #344), will feature the return of the Wizards Three! For anyone that isn't familiar with the article series, it ran in Dragon in the nineties and featured Elminster, Dalamar (from the DragonLance setting), and Mordenkainen (from Greyhawk), sharing stories and exchanging spells and magic (the stats for which showed up at the end of the article). The articles were written by none other than Ed of the Greenwood.
This is great news, and of course, it makes me wonder if Ed is indeed the chronicler of this momentous event.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 05:40:35
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Hmmm... I wonder how Dalamar is going to fit into all of this -- given the somewhat more recent occurences in DL regarding his position among the WoHS.
This is stellar news though! And if Ed is indeed the grand weaver of these tales once again... Well, I have an extra reason to race to my local hobby store to purchase each DRAGON issue the articles will be featured in  .
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 05:44:03
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I was wondering that as well . . . the DragonLance timeline has shot way ahead of FR's in terms of how much time has passed. I do remember that Ed was always pretty exacting about what point in all of the settings history the given article occured in. Perhaps Krynn will be "unhinged" from the timeline, allowing for such a meeting . . . or perhaps there will be a different wizard, from a different, third world?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 06:13:21
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Curiously... the alternate timelines in the Legends of the Twins sourcebook could provide some insights about Krynn being "unhinged" from the timeline. I'll take a look...
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 06:38:22
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Well, just because DL has whizzed along in the timeline doesn't mean that the other gameworlds should follow suit. The appearance by Dalamar (if he appears) will simply have occurred in DL's past is all.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 08:13:35
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Well, just because DL has whizzed along in the timeline doesn't mean that the other gameworlds should follow suit. The appearance by Dalamar (if he appears) will simply have occurred in DL's past is all.
-- George Krashos
True... and Dalamar does have a "history" of popping in and out of alternate timestreams.
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Bocklin
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 11:15:39
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Or will Dragon simply replace Dalamar by an Eberronesque Wizard?
That would not be to exclude...
Bocklin
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Vvornth
Acolyte
Sweden
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 11:19:57
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Is it confirmed that M, E and D are the three then? Or maybe there will be an Eberron Mage added to the mix, that is something I'd really like to see (and that would utterly dismay the fantasy purists I have no doubt).
If my sources are correct this series started in #185 and was continued in #188, #196, #200, #211, #219, #238, #242 and #246. Did I miss any #?
EDIT: Bocklin beat me to it. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 12:53:02
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Originally posted by Bocklin
Or will Dragon simply replace Dalamar by an Eberronesque Wizard?
That would not be to exclude...
Bocklin
Who, though? There's no one iconic enough in Eberron-maybe Mordain the Fleshweaver(page 167 of the ECS) or Vol, but that's about it... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 12:54:31
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If my sources are correct this series started in #185 and was continued in #188, #196, #200, #211, #219, #238, #242 and #246. Did I miss any #?
No, they're all of them -- 185 188 196 200 211 219 238 242 246.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2006 : 02:08:14
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| Not to mention, I thought the reason that Eberron is a trillion times better than Faerun (or so say the more rabid fans and the marketing execs) is that they don't have powerful forces for good or neutrality NPCs, only villains. (Once again, the standard disclaimer: the above was directed at the marketing folk that think our old hidebound setting will never attract youngsters, and the band wagoners that post at Paizo with the mistaken impression that Drizzt and Elminster are meant to join your party as an NPC). |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Jan 2006 : 03:44:14
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Just to confirm: yes, Ed has written this article (at Erik's request), and turned it in. Those who recall the later instalments in the saga know that Dalamar disappeared, and a female apprentice of Mordenkainen, who was going to search for him, ended up being the third mage at the get-togethers. So she is in this one, which features the usual banter, depletion of Ed's viands and drinkables, and new spells.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 20 Jan 2006 : 07:00:11
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What!? No visit from Larloch? Hesperdan? The Mage Who Shall Not Be Named? Uncle Weirdbeard is losing his touch ... 
-- George Krashos
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Jan 2006 : 17:34:20
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Just to confirm: yes, Ed has written this article (at Erik's request), and turned it in. Those who recall the later instalments in the saga know that Dalamar disappeared, and a female apprentice of Mordenkainen, who was going to search for him, ended up being the third mage at the get-togethers. So she is in this one, which features the usual banter, depletion of Ed's viands and drinkables, and new spells.
love to all,
THO
Yes! My age old question to Ed has been solved...by Ed! |
I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2006 : 20:07:54
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I just checked on our fellow scribes excellent "Temporal Chronology of the Primes" and to catch up with Dalamar, i.e. not meeting up with him while his is sulking in the missing Tower of Palanthas surrounded by the souls of the dead, while Dalamar would actually be interested in trading spells and the like, would take us to the year 1431 DR, which is 57 years from the current date in the Realms.
This is, of course, assuming that they are still Temporally Parallel, after Takhisis' little trick.
Ironically, someone on the DragonLance boards groused at my defense of the Forgotten Realms by saying that the setting leaped too far ahead in time when 3rd edition came out (if I'm not mistaken, Cloak and Dagger is current in 1370 DR, and 1373 DR is where the 3rd Edition FRCS . . . a three year jump).
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Jan 2006 : 20:12:56
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
(if I'm not mistaken, Cloak and Dagger is current in 1370 DR, and 1373 DR is where the 3rd Edition FRCS . . . a three year jump).
Minor Nitpick
Forgotten Realms campaign setting is actually Midsummer (Shield meet) 1372 actually. The first 1373 sourcebook updates were in Players Guide to Faerun |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2006 : 20:19:04
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2006 : 23:03:43
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| Being chastised by a Banite is indeed a bad thing, however, if you look at it from the bright side - it could've been a Loviatran |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Jan 2006 : 00:13:15
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Not trying to chastise, just trying to ensure accuracy in the Halls of Candlekeep.
Think of it like when Oghma worked against the creation of the Cyrinishad. |
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Volo
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 02 Feb 2006 : 12:28:25
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| YES!!! These were not only the best articles in the magazine's history, they, and Volo's Dragons of the North series, were really the only reason I stuck with Dragon during the 'lean years'. So seeing it come back (hopefully as a long-term series? PLEASE? [Yes, Erik, that was DIRECTLY TO YOU! ;-)]) makes me a VERY happy mage! |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 11:27:28
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I haven't read the old articles in Dragon, but I read the short snippet in the Seven Sisters module for 2nd ed.
DragonLance was the first AD&D world that I really grew fond of, and as such I naturally read a lot. What disturbed me was Ed saying that Dalamar had black skin a la drow, which, nitpicker that I am, is wrong... terribly wrong.
Dunni if it ever came up in any of those other articles, but I think when Ed saw Dalamar being described as a Dark Elf he assumed Drow. Krynn doesn't have any Drow, aside from the mention of a crashed Spelljammer in "Wild Elves" (I think it was). Dark Elves on Krynn are elves who had turned to evil.
Sorry that point really annoyed me in "Seven Sisters" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 13:54:15
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Krynn doesn't have any Drow, aside from the mention of a crashed Spelljammer in "Wild Elves" (I think it was). Dark Elves on Krynn are elves who had turned to evil.
Sorry that point really annoyed me in "Seven Sisters"
Dragonlance has never had drow, or at least in the D-series sense, and leaving out Wild Elves which was a somewhat clumsy attempt to introduce them to the setting. Drow was synonymous, however, with evil elf in 1st edition AD&D, hence the reference in CHRONICLES, and it has been stated repeatedly over the years since that its inclusion in the book was merely a symptom of the world not being completely settled when Dragons of Autumn Twilight was written, not because race of subterranean black-skinned white-haired evil elves existed or had ever existed in the setting's continuity.
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 14:37:44
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| I admit it has been ages since I read the Chronicles, but I think Dalamar only appeared in Legends and it was deliberately stated that he was Silvanesti and they dubbed him Dark Elf |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 14:54:57
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That wasn’t Ed’s mistake, Mace, it was an editorial rewrite mistake. And once established, it was decided (not by Ed) that it was now “reality” for the Wizards Three articles, and should be adhered to in later articles.
This entire series was written at editorial request, as a way of representing all three TSR campaign worlds in every issue of DRAGON. Gamers often jump on this mistake as a sign of Ed screwing up, when it’s nothing of the kind.
(Nor, as some gamers have suggested over the years, is it a sign that Ed’s Wiz3 articles get published without editing; on the contrary, every single Wiz3 article has been shortened, some of the earlier ones by quite a bit.)
love to all,
THO
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 15:18:06
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
on the contrary, every single Wiz3 article has been shortened, some of the earlier ones by quite a bit.)
love to all,
THO
That's really a shame. I'd like the opportunity to read these articles in full... complete with Ed's notes scattered here and there .
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 22:47:09
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Originally posted by George Krashos
What!? No visit from Larloch? Hesperdan? The Mage Who Shall Not Be Named? Uncle Weirdbeard is losing his touch ...
-- George Krashos
The "Mage Who Shall Not Be Named" is a "real" mysterious character or just a way of saying "another mysterious wizard". |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 22:53:18
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Naah, it's no-one that I know of - I just slipped it in because it sounded 'right' and funny. I'm now waiting for THO to pop in here and say something like: "Ah, but George there is a "Mage Who Shall Not Be Named" in the Realms and he ... NDA!" or somesuch.
-- George Krashos
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 01:23:06
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Oh, well, being as you ASKED for it:
Ah, but George, there IS a “Mage Who Shall Not Be Named” in the Realms, and he . . . NDA!
No kidding. Ed even has a short story (written in 1977) about such an individual, but it’ll have to be heavily rewritten to match the published Realms. And it’s not like the man has any free time for - - oh, the next year or so. 
love,
THO
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 01:45:34
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I should have known. Really, I should have. Ed ceased surprising me many a moon ago. Now he just amazes me at every turn.
-- George Krashos
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 19:56:23
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Well, IMHO Hesperdan qualify for the title... and I'm pretty sure Ed will let us wait for some years to come before saying more about him. |
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