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moonbeast
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Posted - 10 Feb 2018 :  18:04:55  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Half-halflings and double-wookies?



Wouldn't half-halflings be called Quarterlings?

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moonbeast
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  11:51:21  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just watched a video of Mike Mearls talking about their upcoming Moe's Tome of Foes.

Mike pronounced it MOR-DEN-KAY-NEN

Me and my fellow D&D players have always pronounced it the (traditionally) Finnish way, although none of us are Finns: MOR-DEN-KAI-NEN

How do you pronounce it? Does anyone know if Gygax or Greenwood ever said the correct way to pronounce his name?
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Scots Dragon
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  14:45:13  Show Profile Send Scots Dragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

Just watched a video of Mike Mearls talking about their upcoming Moe's Tome of Foes.

Mike pronounced it MOR-DEN-KAY-NEN

Me and my fellow D&D players have always pronounced it the (traditionally) Finnish way, although none of us are Finns: MOR-DEN-KAI-NEN

How do you pronounce it? Does anyone know if Gygax or Greenwood ever said the correct way to pronounce his name?



Given that it's derived from Mordecai and Lemminkainen, it ought to be the Finnish way.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  15:38:28  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've always assumed the third syllable rhymed with high, not with hay.

That said, I know that officially, drow rhymes with cow -- but I've always said it so it rhymes with know. I'm such a rebel, in that regard.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  18:53:49  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

Just watched a video of Mike Mearls talking about their upcoming Moe's Tome of Foes.


So what else did he have to say about the book? Got a link?

Hopefully we can get this scroll back on topic..

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sleyvas
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  19:55:16  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
always said KAY not KAI (assuming that KAI is like KIE?)

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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  20:40:41  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I always said 'SHAD-er-kie'.

But I also say 'Mie-stra' (I was very upset after hearing people speak at Gencon... they were all getting it WRONG! Even Ed!"

And most recently, I found out I've been saying 'fay-run' all wrong (which I should have known, but I was being lazy).

Drow are drow... stop saying 'droe'. Thats wrong.
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

Just watched a video of Mike Mearls talking about their upcoming Moe's Tome of Foes.


So what else did he have to say about the book? Got a link?

Hopefully we can get this scroll back on topic..

Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes

However, if you watch his earlier videos on...

Gith

Tiamat

Tieflings

Illithid

Origin of Elves

To get the full picture of what we are about to get.




"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 12 Feb 2018 20:49:07
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Irennan
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  21:38:38  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I've always assumed the third syllable rhymed with high, not with hay.

That said, I know that officially, drow rhymes with cow -- but I've always said it so it rhymes with know. I'm such a rebel, in that regard.



I'm the same. I hate the sound of drow rhyming with cow. Drow rhyming with know sounds much more fluid to me, especially when I have to say it in a phrase in my language.

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Edited by - Irennan on 12 Feb 2018 21:39:06
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  23:19:50  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was going to actually prove my point in my above post, but when I researched it, I realized something: 'Drow' comes from 'Trow' which is where we get 'Troll' from, and 'troll' has a long-'o' sound. Thus, it probably should be Trô (but except for when I see videos online, or have gone to conventions, I've never heard anyone in person say it that way). If fact, when I did hear an 'official type' person speak at a con, they actually used both (..."the Droi... or Drow... if you prefer..."). So sometimes we have to ditch 'the rules' and just go with what everyone is using. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there'd be any clear winner here.

If everyone in Menzoberranzan can misprononce their own god's name for over 30 years ('Lloth', as opposed to 'Lolth'), then i suppose we cans ay both versions of the of the name are correct.

In D^D, the word 'Drow' is a debased form of Dhaerrow(sp?), which means 'traitor'. This is why I always thought the 'o' should have a short sound, because its not supposed to based on 'Trow' (even though we know it is).

(And trying to find the right spelling for that made me find the original lore about the Godswar (CBoE), and now I know I am right - the elves WERE created AFTER the Godswar. Since the Eladrin are a Creator race, then they had to have come before that, since the fey and others are mentioned earlier in the lore.)

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 12 Feb 2018 23:32:57
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 12 Feb 2018 :  23:29:43  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have always pronounced "dr-ow", as in rhyming with cow lol, despite it's origins, which, as MT pointed out, is likely pronounced "oh".

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George Krashos
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Posted - 13 Feb 2018 :  09:11:29  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Why can’t Dhaerrow be pronounced De-Row (like cow)?

— George Krashos

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moonbeast
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Posted - 14 Feb 2018 :  19:03:01  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I've always assumed the third syllable rhymed with high, not with hay.

That said, I know that officially, drow rhymes with cow -- but I've always said it so it rhymes with know. I'm such a rebel, in that regard.



Rebellion is fine. Just don't mind me when I say FAY-ROON.
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