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Irennan
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Posted - 03 Jun 2018 :  06:04:00  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Halaster didn't blow himself. The Twisted Rune interfered with his spell to prevent the Spellplague at the end of 3e. Yeah, that crap was WotC's version of his death.



Yup. Because Halaster somehow foresaw the Spellplague, even though the gods didn't.



To be fair to them, they didn't specifically mention the Spellplague. However, for me, who got into D&D when 5e was announced, given the time when 3e Undermountain was released, it was pretty obvious that they were referring to the Spellplague, and that the idea of the Spellplague had already been vetted before the release of that book. And yes, that doesn't make sense.

(On a side note, Mystra did foresee the Spellplague, according to Ed's latest books. It's just that things didn't go as intended. The contingencies that she had prepared saved her, tho, and other deities alongside her).

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moonbeast
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

It's overpriced as hell IMHO. 450 $ for a bunch of accessories?



Ridiculous over reach by WotC if that's the correct price.

-- George Krashos



Agreed that it's expensive overreach at that price. But I don't care as long as the basic $49 book has essentially the same content, the same map(s), even if its not "premium map material".

One thing that comes to my mind about this "luxury version": 5th Edition is possibly the first D&D version that has attracted BOATLOADS OF FILTHY RICH CELEBRITIES that openly play and openly admit their love for D&D 5E. So in retrospect, maybe these "deluxe editions" are simply meant for them?

Do you folks realize that mega-rich and mega-successful Hollywood celebrities like Vin Diesel are making YouTube (or streaming) videos of themselves nerdilly playing D&D 5th Edition? That's an up-ticking trend.

In the end…. I see one good outcome. D&D might become a cash-rich brand franchise once again, because of the influx of players who happen to be rich recognizable celebrities and millionaires, etc. And that might mean that WoTC/Hasbro might (in the near future) be able to afford things that we only dreamed of: like a well-funded and well-researched Forgotten Realms Guide, etc. But maybe I'm the only one on these forums that thinks optimistically like this.

YouTube link (D&D with Vin Diesel and Matt Mercer, etc)

https://youtu.be/yLEMb_RIZ3o
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Jun 2018 :  17:45:03  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Some of those celebrities have been playing since at least 3E, and were open about it then -- including Vin Diesel, who has been talking about being a D&D player at least since this book was published in 2004 -- before they were even working on 4E.

And even by that time, it was well-known that Robin Williams was a gamer. I recall hearing about him fielding an ork army for 40k (or maybe WH Fantasy), and while playing he was doing voices for his minis!

The change is that D&D is more mainstream than it ever was before, thanks in no small part to the rise of MMOs, the success of the Lord of the Rings movies, and the success of the Game of Thrones show.

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farinal
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This sounds so promising! Gods I hope they can deliver! Looking forward to these two books!

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Gelcur
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If their target market is the filthy rich they might as well have added another 0 to the end and made the items out of precious metals or had all the items forged by some smith of great renown. But maybe it is for the "celebrity" podcasters, the ones who will be showing how cool this "game" is on the youtubes?

I fear this surge in popularity is not what is best for the game in the long run. In today's 1 minute of fame society what is hot today is forgotten tomorrow. If a thing is over produced or overpriced, the market crash when the popularity bubble bursts could drive it into non-existence, a sad day for us long time gamers.

If I were super rich and had money to burn, forget buying "Platinum" box sets. How about funding someone like Ed and other great Realms writers so they could interact and game with us freely without the burdens of bills. Or better yet buy the FR license for whatever ridiculous sum and get a Realms more to Ed's original, with all the fun crazy things his wicked mind could imagine.

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DM: What are you looking for?
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DM: Like what?
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DM: There is a lot of stuff.
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Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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Brimstone
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http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/06/04/dungeons-and-dragons-fifth-edition-campaign-settings/

More settings next year...

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Jun 2018 :  18:28:38  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Brimstone

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/06/04/dungeons-and-dragons-fifth-edition-campaign-settings/

More settings next year...



Hm. Even though they've mentioned Spelljammer, my money is on Greyhawk and Dark Sun. As much as I myself love the Spelljammer -- my username comes from there! -- I recognize that there were issues with the way the setting was presented and it was not the most popular of TSR's many settings.

Now if they surprise me and go for Spelljammer, I'll be the first in line to buy that book -- I am a Realms junkie, now, but Spelljammer was my first love of D&D settings.

Honestly, though, I'm surprised they've not gone back to the well with Greyhawk, yet. It's one of the oldest D&D settings* and I'd wager to say it's got more fans than the Realms does.

*(I think Blackmoor is older)

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sleyvas
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Originally posted by Brimstone

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/06/04/dungeons-and-dragons-fifth-edition-campaign-settings/

More settings next year...



so maybe Dark Sun and spelljammer? Can't say I'm enthused by dark sun, but I know plenty liked it. Spelljammer however, it always had untapped potential. I won't say I ever played it however, because at the time I didn't have the money for the numerous systems TSR was rolling out left and right. My knowledge of spelljammer has been the most basic, with more information learned in the last 5 years than ever before.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Jun 2018 :  21:33:42  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/06/04/dungeons-and-dragons-fifth-edition-campaign-settings/

More settings next year...



so maybe Dark Sun and spelljammer? Can't say I'm enthused by dark sun, but I know plenty liked it. Spelljammer however, it always had untapped potential. I won't say I ever played it however, because at the time I didn't have the money for the numerous systems TSR was rolling out left and right. My knowledge of spelljammer has been the most basic, with more information learned in the last 5 years than ever before.



Spelljammer is the only setting that I've gotten every single product for. Even for the Realms, I've disregarded some novels and ignored the Maztica stuff. (Though in both cases, I've built my collection twice. And my collection of Planescape stuff is pretty much as close to complete as can be reasonably expected)

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sleyvas
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Posted - 04 Jun 2018 :  23:07:04  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When it comes to Planescape... the contradictions between the editions are so enormous (or at least they seem that way to me). Maybe 5e will make the difference that sticks.

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TomCosta
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Posted - 05 Jun 2018 :  02:17:10  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I could easily see them folding Spelljammer a bit into Planescape, giving us Spelljammer light -- some basic rules about the ships and spheres without really developing the "setting" as it were while opening the floodgates on DM's Guild.
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Marco Volo
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Originally posted by TomCosta

I could easily see them folding Spelljammer a bit into Planescape, giving us Spelljammer light -- some basic rules about the ships and spheres without really developing the "setting" as it were while opening the floodgates on DM's Guild.


And Chris Perkins just teased that Halaster will have something spelljamming in Dungeon of the Mad Mage...
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Gelcur
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Posted - 05 Jun 2018 :  16:02:00  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Marco Volo

quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

I could easily see them folding Spelljammer a bit into Planescape, giving us Spelljammer light -- some basic rules about the ships and spheres without really developing the "setting" as it were while opening the floodgates on DM's Guild.


And Chris Perkins just teased that Halaster will have something spelljamming in Dungeon of the Mad Mage...


Just take my money already.

I've always loved how Spelljamming is teased (and just blatantly there) all over the Realms material. Makes it always seem like there is more secrets to unveil.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.

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Balmar Foghaven
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Here I was looking at the features included in the platinum box, then I notice the price tag... O_O

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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by Marco Volo

quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

I could easily see them folding Spelljammer a bit into Planescape, giving us Spelljammer light -- some basic rules about the ships and spheres without really developing the "setting" as it were while opening the floodgates on DM's Guild.


And Chris Perkins just teased that Halaster will have something spelljamming in Dungeon of the Mad Mage...



Probably took it from stardock.

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Caolin
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Halaster didn't blow himself. The Twisted Rune interfered with his spell to prevent the Spellplague at the end of 3e. Yeah, that crap was WotC's version of his death.



Yup. Because Halaster somehow foresaw the Spellplague, even though the gods didn't.



Since when were the gods of the Realms the infallible all-seeing type of gods?
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Caolin

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Halaster didn't blow himself. The Twisted Rune interfered with his spell to prevent the Spellplague at the end of 3e. Yeah, that crap was WotC's version of his death.



Yup. Because Halaster somehow foresaw the Spellplague, even though the gods didn't.



Since when were the gods of the Realms the infallible all-seeing type of gods?



Who said anything about infallible or all-seeing?

What I question is how a mortal can see what's going to happen to the gods, when those gods -- especially the god of divination -- are blind to what's coming.

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Zeromaru X
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iirc, Halaster survived the Spellplague thanks to his clones. I have to read that dragon article again...

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Gelcur
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Oh I think I missed that dragon article. Link? Or magazine number?

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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Zeromaru X
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Dragon 409, the article is named "Character Themes: Citizens of Splendor".

The article doesn't say what happened to Halaster, just that his essence scattered throughout the planes, and he could not return to one of his clones before the Spellplague. The Spellplague struck and Halaster was reduced to a consciousness within his clones. Most of the clones were altered as well (the clones have their own will now, and can be of any race and sex).

His clones are awake and active in the current year (one or more players can be a Halaster clone) and perhaps one of them is Halaster himself.

Well, we know Halaster has returned, so...

Long ago, in the distant past, they fell into decay. The philosopher’s path... The river of glory... Even the saints resting in the darkness rise up without response and block the way...

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sleyvas
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4 people meet
I'm Halaster...
No, I'm Halaster...
No, I'm the REAL Halaster...
Um, I'm Manshoon

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The Masked Mage
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Agreed - TOOO SIMILAR TO THE MANSHOON WARS. Come up with an original plot please :)

Also, since when does Halaster have multiple clones waiting? He used projection magic to be in multiple places at once.
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Wooly Rupert
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Agreed - TOOO SIMILAR TO THE MANSHOON WARS. Come up with an original plot please :)

Also, since when does Halaster have multiple clones waiting? He used projection magic to be in multiple places at once.



I don't have an issue with Halaster having clones, myself, but the way WotC handled it is just wrong. Clones that aren't the same race or gender? No, just no.

What I would have done, given what they did to Halaster in 3E (which I also disagreed with): they said that his soul basically fractured... So those new "Halaster clones" aren't really clones, they're shards of his soul that bonded to other souls, and/or were reborn. So these "Halaster clones" aren't copies of Halaster, but they might have some (not all!) of his memories or skills. One clone, for example, might not know how to create portals or even cast spells, but you put him in front of a portal and he can tell you how to activate it or where it goes.

And some of the soulshards stayed in Undermountain, and eventually drifted back to Halaster's actual prepared clone, awakening it and bringing back the Mad Mage.

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Lirdolin
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I have no problems with Halaster having clones (even The Ruins of Undermountain Campaign Guide on pg.106 already says that he probably stored clones of himself) even gender and racial changed ones (who knows what he transformed his body into when he created a clone, he is the Mad Mage after all). And being a clone 'kid'/ pc hero of Halaster bears probably as many problems as merits, now that 'Daddy' is home again.

I'm wondering if they will work in the changes brought about by the Spellplague (like the Walking Statues all over the City, or new locations mentioned in the novels). It would be sad if they presented a book that states something like "Everthing is back to Pre-Spellplague."
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Ed wrote a post-Spellplague Waterdeep “bible” for WotC for the Ed Greenwood Presents ... novel series. I’m assuming that forms the basis of this product.

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