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Arioch
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Posted - 13 Feb 2015 :  09:58:15  Show Profile  Visit Arioch's Homepage Send Arioch a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic

Does anybody knows (from official lore or personal guessing) what is Bane doing since the destruction of Zenthil Keep (in 1383 DR I guess) aside from making Fzoul his demigod?


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He conquered the goblinoid pantheon, which increased his influence and he generally got stronger. Unfortunately, in terms of writing, he wasn't given much love despite being adopted as a deity in the PoL core setting.

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Nothing at all. He's dead, and it's Xvim who is going around using the name. At least, that's my theory.

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Bane seems to have been put on the back burner. Shar gets all the attention these days. Mask always seems to always grab some screen time, always promoting some sneaky agenda or other, but more and more he seems to fit his manipulations and opportunism into grander schemes engineered by Shar. Other evil gods like Talos and Malar are, in my opinion, somewhat neglected and under utilized.

I wonder if this is a deliberate decision by WotC to turn away from the potentially offensive male-vs-female theme which tended to dominate earlier Realmslore. The sad truth is that Realmslore has fallen into a pattern where the machinations of powerful gods and goddesses and godlike NPCs draw the focus of the story and consequently shape the history of the Realms in subsequent lore. But that being said, I find it interesting that these mighty foes are more and more often paired off against adversaries of the same gender.

Bane will eventually get dragged back into the spotlight, once people begin to indicate that nasty old Shar (vs Mystra/etc) has begun to get a little tiresome. A natural nemesis to deploy against Bane would be Tyr.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Bane seems to have been put on the back burner. Shar gets all the attention these days. Mask always seems to always grab some screen time, always promoting some sneaky agenda or other, but more and more he seems to fit his manipulations and opportunism into grander schemes engineered by Shar. Other evil gods like Talos and Malar are, in my opinion, somewhat neglected and under utilized.

I wonder if this is a deliberate decision by WotC to turn away from the potentially offensive male-vs-female theme which tended to dominate earlier Realmslore. The sad truth is that Realmslore has fallen into a pattern where the machinations of powerful gods and goddesses and godlike NPCs draw the focus of the story and consequently shape the history of the Realms in subsequent lore. But that being said, I find it interesting that these mighty foes are more and more often paired off against adversaries of the same gender.

Bane will eventually get dragged back into the spotlight, once people begin to indicate that nasty old Shar (vs Mystra/etc) has begun to get a little tiresome. A natural nemesis to deploy against Bane would be Tyr.



I think the focus was on Shar because the shadow thing is kewl. It is, admittedly, a nice change from the megalomaniacal "I want to rule everything!" schtick, but they swung it far too hard in that direction.

Me, I want to see some of the other evil power groups of the Realms -- mostly neglected since the end of 2E -- coming back to the fore. It's more interesting and offers a lot more potential for roleplaying when you've got multiple players in the mix, instead of always being GI Joe versus Cobra.

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I miss Bane. Xvim is just a poser who's been subsumed by Bane's greater essence.

Seriously, the Realms needs more Bane in a big way. There'd be a lot more stuff to do with Bane going on around the Lake of Steam, if I had my way.

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There's too much evidence that Xvim remains, whole or in part, within Bane. And a tyrant who can't conquer his own son isn't that much of a tyrant.

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Arioch
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Ok, I'm glad not to have missed something about Bane. Still... I have to invent something about his current activities otherwise it is not of much use for my campaign as it is now

Shar got all the attention while other greater powers (those alive) supposedly sat idly waiting for her to destroy the world. Shar's empire was quite tyrannical: does this tyranny fueled Bane's power or was he angry for the actions of an emo deity, best left in a corner to cry while hoping to disappear?

Aside ... taking control of the goblinoid pantheon doesn't seem a fitting accomplishment for a deity returned from oblivion with such an interesting plan.

[RANDOM CONFUSED THOUGHTS]
Maybe connecting Bane's return with Bhaal return... I mean: both (with Myrkul too) were mortals that took power from Jergal. What if with this power comes some sort of curse, like a corrupting sickness that inevitably and cyclically push them on the edge of destruction? This to change the way of perceiving the plans they developed to survive: they split their essences in order to avoid destruction due to this sort of curse.
And what if all this is a millennial plan of Jergal himself? He divided himself in three, each of the three (well... two of them up to now ) divided in thousands.
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Bane owns the goblin gods now? Seems a bit stupidly thought out, since goblinoid deities like Bargrivyek and Meriadar represent "emo" portfolios and philosophies which are entirely antithetical to Bane's interests. They are unworthy of even being ground beneath Bane's iron boots and he gains nothing useful by possessing their power. I would think he should destroy them, or perhaps reformat them into beings more to his liking.

Still, the Realms might enjoy some powerful new incarnations of Bane - such as Maglubaneyet and Khurgorbaneyag and Nomog-Baneya - who would represent such things as authority, oppression, bullying, dominance, slavery, torture, pain, fear, antagonism, vengeance, and blind hatred. Excellent vessels for promoting Bane's agenda, even if in no other way than to manipulate his enemies into weakness. The strong dominate the weak, dominance or submission, disobedience is death. That is Bane's true purpose.

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Well, one of Ed's recent posts in his thread does feature what Bane's been doing since the Spellplague - he does mention that if WotC publishes anything to the contrary it will supercede him though.

Tiamat had subsumed the body and realm of another draconic god named Azharul but when Dragon Eyrie dissolved due to the Spellplague, Azharul's body was violently transported to Banehold (much like Azuth was transported to Nessus I'd assume). When Bane discovered Azharul contained part of Tiamat's consciousness, he enslaved it. Tiamat couldn't hope to rescue Azharul from Bane so instead bided her time, pretending to be Bane's loyal servant, all the while stealing his secrets and passing them on to Asmodeus. Some time between 1479 and 1489 DR, Tiamat wrenched Azharul out of Banehold, along with a good portion of Bane's divine power - effectively reducing him to an intermediate power (in 3rd edition terms).

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Arioch
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Posted - 14 Feb 2015 :  08:36:13  Show Profile  Visit Arioch's Homepage Send Arioch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hashimashadoo

Some time between 1479 and 1489 DR, Tiamat wrenched Azharul out of Banehold, along with a good portion of Bane's divine power - effectively reducing him to an intermediate power (in 3rd edition terms).



That's interesting! Thanks.
Only... To reuse the same literary device used for Azuth doen't make be very happy, but still... And, more annoying: before we had Shar as the over powerful badass, now we really need another one as Tiamat?

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Well, the Tyranny of Dragons storyline gives players the chance to stop Tiamat from becoming too powerful. As long as she's stuck in Hell (again, according to Ed), she's prevented from getting too big for her boots (or dragon claw equivalent) by the archdevil Bel and Asmodeus. Only part of Bane's power was used to increase her own, most of it she used to heal Azharul's shattered body.

And you can bet Bane will try to get his power back. He's obsessed with increasing his divine rank - that's why he stole the Tablets of Fate in the first place.

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quote:
Originally posted by Arioch

Ok, I'm glad not to have missed something about Bane. Still... I have to invent something about his current activities otherwise it is not of much use for my campaign as it is now

Shar got all the attention while other greater powers (those alive) supposedly sat idly waiting for her to destroy the world. Shar's empire was quite tyrannical: does this tyranny fueled Bane's power or was he angry for the actions of an emo deity, best left in a corner to cry while hoping to disappear?

Aside ... taking control of the goblinoid pantheon doesn't seem a fitting accomplishment for a deity returned from oblivion with such an interesting plan.

[RANDOM CONFUSED THOUGHTS]
Maybe connecting Bane's return with Bhaal return... I mean: both (with Myrkul too) were mortals that took power from Jergal. What if with this power comes some sort of curse, like a corrupting sickness that inevitably and cyclically push them on the edge of destruction? This to change the way of perceiving the plans they developed to survive: they split their essences in order to avoid destruction due to this sort of curse.
And what if all this is a millennial plan of Jergal himself? He divided himself in three, each of the three (well... two of them up to now ) divided in thousands.
[RANDOM CONFUSED THOUGHTS]




You may be interested in Eric L. Boyd's conversion of the Age of Worms, especialy the part from the web supplement for Dungeon #130.

Low resolution:

http://paizo.com/dungeonissues/130/DA130_Supplement_L.pdf

High resolution:

http://paizo.com/dungeonissues/130/DA130_Supplement_H.pdf

It has details of what Jergal's plans include...
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Arioch
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There was a spark of sense behind my random confused thoughts, I see. Thanks Baltas!
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Maybe we can have a Realms where the gods don't play a direct role in the events that occur every ten-day. Just saying.

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Maybe we can have a Realms where the gods don't play a direct role in the events that occur every ten-day. Just saying.

-- George Krashos



Agreed. Once a month is enough.

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Arioch
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In almost any polytheistic society I've knowledge of, people do believe that gods play a direct role in their lives.

I like to keep this true in my campaigns, from the small things (scratching the Beshaba symbol under your opponents seats to win a Smashcastle hand) to bigger ones (a famine that strikes an area, assumed to be a punishment from a displeased Talona or Chauntea).

I do not like Realms-shaking events. I think the gods really enjoy their positions of power. They are more interested in preserving their status quo instead of risking it so often. Even the most power hungry knows that gods may die. And this may be one of the reasons why gods do have proxies to act on their behalf: they don't have to expose themselves to direct risks. So, gods plans can only be glimpsed behind events. I see gods, more than often, used as a plausible excuse for mortal decisions. And if the consequences of those decisions can be of benefit for maintaining a god's power or even increase it, then such a god may bless the mortal(s) involved.

As a DM, I like to leave my PCs with doubts like: is this happening because some god have plans? Are we played into helping some evil gods? Am I, as a cleric/paladin, really following my god's expectations? But they will never know the answer for sure, they, as the overall population, in the end, can only create their own truth based on what the dogma say about a given god or their personal experience.

But as a DM I have to know such answers. That's why I'm curious about the interests/activities of gods relevant in the current part of the plot.
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Must learn to control my ranting impulses, but i'm with George.

This soap opera god drama is way beyond a joke now. I dont mind reading the Silmarillion, greek, sumerian, egyptian and other mythologies for a laugh and sources of inspiration but i would never want to play or run a world in any of those settings. New FR is fast becoming a giant parody of a campaign setting (although until there is a sourcebook for it i wouldnt even call it that) where super powerful babies have giant tantrums and squabble over the latest and greatest teddy bear.

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Heck I say it should be all gods all the time. There should be an epic godly throwdown every ride. Players should start the campaign as demigods or lesser gods :P
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I'm not sure I'd pick Bane as a life partner, but I guess he could be less tyrannical if you got to know him.

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Monok

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I'm not sure I'd pick Bane as a life partner, but I guess he could be less tyrannical if you got to know him.

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Okay, the spammer has been hit with the banhammer, and his post removed. I've also removed the URL from the people that quoted that guy, because I'm not giving out free advertising.

Also, let's be careful with this conversation. Y'all know I'm always ready to make jokes, but I'd prefer not to see this one veering into deeply unfunny territory.

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