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nemesisdragon
Acolyte
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 Posted - 16 May 2007 : 19:42:27
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Hello, this is my first post on the site so first off I would like to say Hail and that it is an honor. Now I hope this question isn't elsewhere on the forum because I hate to make repeats but I did not see one. I just wanted to clarification perhaps on Sammaster's outcome at the end of the rage of dragons saga. I have all of his information up to that point and I suppose all I want to know is if he was destroyed for sure, does anybody know? lol. I was sure myself but an unnamed lad insisted he was not destroyed completely....again. Any information would be appreciated and also, does anybody have any 3e stats for Sammaster? A preemptive thank you for everybody who responds. 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 16 May 2007 : 20:14:17
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Welcome to Candlekeep! 
Richard Lee Byers (the author of the trilogy) has himself explicitly stated that Sammaster is dead.
So far as I know, there has never been an official write-up of Sammy in 3E terms. He was written up in the old 2E book Cult of the Dragon, which is one of the many downloads available for free from the Wizards downloads page. |
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nemesisdragon
Acolyte
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2007 : 20:44:29
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| Thank you very much Wooly. That is what I thought too but some folks like to argue the point lol. Thanks for the referrence, I suppose a little converting and adding the draconic mythal spell should do. Thanks again! |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 16 May 2007 : 23:56:31
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He's dead because he made the mythal capstone his phylactery through some unknown, rare necromantic process. When the capstone was destroyed, so was he.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 May 2007 : 00:58:22
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Which is a process I'd still like to know a little more about. I think it would be nice to see a few extra details about this "rare necromantic process" at some point...
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nemesisdragon
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2007 : 01:41:41
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| Agreed, it would be nice to see some extra information on the "process". Any extra information on him would be cool. I did see some 2e stuff about him going demigod I think, just fan stuff but it seemed very interesting as an extra possible storyline arc. |
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Gelcur
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 May 2007 : 14:53:18
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| If people are looking for an alternate ending that makes in game sense. I know there is a way in 3.5 to make multiple phylacteries, I haven't read the novel so they may explicitly say that it is his only one but I would think a smart liche would have a few of these. |
The party come to a town befallen by hysteria
Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2007 : 17:08:54
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Originally posted by Gelcur
If people are looking for an alternate ending that makes in game sense. I know there is a way in 3.5 to make multiple phylacteries, I haven't read the novel so they may explicitly say that it is his only one but I would think a smart liche would have a few of these.
Again, the author has explicitly stated that Sammy is now truly dead.
Besides, being smart doesn't mean he'd necessarily go for the multiple phylacteries idea... Being arrogant and overconfident (which Sammy definitely was) means less chance of doing something that would admit the possibility of defeat.
Also, we don't know if using his phylactery as the mythal capstone would allow the possibility of multiple phylacteries. It might not have worked, had he had multiples -- or, if it did, it may have resulted in multiple capstones! |
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Gelcur
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 May 2007 : 23:39:54
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I was just throwing out an idea if he wanted to use it in his personal campaign.
Though the idea of multiple capstones is intriguing. |
The party come to a town befallen by hysteria
Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good. |
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nemesisdragon
Acolyte
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2007 : 15:17:55
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Just ran across some extra information. Algation Nahiere (I know i slaughtered that name but i don't have it in from of me lol) was said to still be around in one reference i just checked into. I hope I didn't spell the name that wrong that you all don't know who I am talking about but to clarify a little, he was the one who brought Sammaster back after his duel with the chosen (the beginning of his lichdom). Did not find stats though so would any of you happen to know of any stats for him. He is also a Banelich now himself if that helps. Thanks :D
Edit: That is supposed to be Algashon Nathaire it just hit me lol :D |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2007 : 16:06:55
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quote:
Originally posted by nemesisdragon
Just ran across some extra information. Algation Nahiere (I know i slaughtered that name but i don't have it in from of me lol) was said to still be around in one reference i just checked into. I hope I didn't spell the name that wrong that you all don't know who I am talking about but to clarify a little, he was the one who brought Sammaster back after his duel with the chosen (the beginning of his lichdom). Did not find stats though so would any of you happen to know of any stats for him. He is also a Banelich now himself if that helps. Thanks :D
Edit: That is supposed to be Algashon Nathaire it just hit me lol :D
See Dragons of Faerun, it explains what happened to Alga and has some stats for him in the Cult of the Dragon chapter. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 28 May 2007 : 00:47:36
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If you want Sammaster back in your campaign the easiest way is to have some of his flesh in the possession of someone with the gumption to 'clone' him. That's just one of a bunch of ways to bring him back.
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nemesisdragon
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2007 : 18:36:21
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| Well, I suppose I should stay true to the storyline as I can. Algashon will work for me lol. Thank you gents for the info though, it's helps greatly. But I suppose, one more question perhaps. Now that I have Algashon's info, and that two of the dracoliches are heads of the cult also, does anybody have any extra information concerning Pox and Saurglirce (I mispelled the dragons name again, sorry :D) Last I heard they were drove off by one of the other Dracoliches I think when they tried to vie for control of the Cult. I apologize for the excessive questions :P |
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