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Delzounblood
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 Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 22:18:59
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Hi I am about halfway through reading The Shadow Stone by Richard Baker POSS SPOILERS
And just to let you know I have never played a mage only DM'd a couple, all my adventures and chars have been fighers or rangers or thieves!!
In the story, the main character progresses down the path of a mage (leaving out as much of the story as poss). and he is being taught by a Elven Mage, the point comes for Aeron (the main char) to start on learning spellcraft.
Now Aeron's tutor uses small stones with glyphs on to store his spells but suggests to Aeron to use an arrow type section of wood to scribe his spell symbols on to.
Later when Aeron attends a magic university he use a typical human way of writing spells down in a book, yet still uses his wooden "spell sticks".
Later when affected by the shadow stone and Shadow Magic he has to re formulate the way he envokes and scribes his spells again!
Now questions :
1: Is elven magic SO different to Human magic when scribing?
2: what other types of scribing are there apart from full written, symbols, and song?
3: How do the different types of scribing effect said spells?
4: Surley Shadow Magic, again different, can be scribed in the same way ie on sticks of wood?
I am sorry if I'm being dense but Magic is not something I hve had much game play with. Now a sword or an axe with weapon styles and feats I'm ok but Magic is a mystery to me...
Don't start on Dragon Magic I'll ask about that MUCH later.........
Delz
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Edited by - Delzounblood on 02 Mar 2007 22:31:31
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 22:24:57
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I'm no expert on the mechanics of spell scribing, but I've always taken the position that sometimes authors will have their own points of view about parts of the game and/or will add stuff of their own for the sake of the story.
In short, what you are describing could be an example of artistic liberties being taken. I would not assume that all elven magic is scribed the way Aeron learns it. However, I don't know that for certain.
I'm about to read this novel, myself, so soon enough I'll have my own opinions on it. |
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Delzounblood
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 22:41:24
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm no expert on the mechanics of spell scribing, but I've always taken the position that sometimes authors will have their own points of view about parts of the game and/or will add stuff of their own for the sake of the story.
In short, what you are describing could be an example of artistic liberties being taken. I would not assume that all elven magic is scribed the way Aeron learns it. However, I don't know that for certain.
I'm about to read this novel, myself, so soon enough I'll have my own opinions on it.
I thought poetic license came into it somewhere But saying that what is written in novels is canon so..........
On your other note The book is really good. it makes me look at spellslingers in a new light, they are not just babbling old fools standing there waiting to be clobbered, they can hit back too!
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Kentinal
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 01:23:26
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There stands lore that spell can be scribed in beads, rope, etc. in D&D . The fact that humans use paper and ink being the expected does not appear to be required.
It is not a matter of Elven magic being different, goblin and orc magic is also different. Barbarian humans, that can not write ubder current ruleset, also scribe spells in another manner.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 04:22:57
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Ruha, the Bedine "witch" from Troy Denning's books started out hiding inscribed bits of cloth inside her clothes to hide her spells. As far as elves go, some elves used kiira stones as spellbooks as well.
I imagine that while the "physics" of magic for wizards at least work the same, the way the formula is written down can vary greatly (which is in part why in 3.5 you have to roll to see if you can understand the writings in another wizard's spellbook).
From a roleplaying point of view, as long as the "alternate" spellbook stores a similar number of spells and costs the same amount as a normal spellbook, I'd let someone go wild with how they want to store their spells, so long as they have something with some kind of writing on it for them to study from. |
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 23:42:53
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Ok Thanks guy's,
I will start to read up more on magic, staring with the PHB and DMG!
God I feel like a novice in this area!
Any other books I should read for a Good Intro in to Magic?
Remember I hve never really played or DM'd a mage before!!!!
Delz
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 10:07:17
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm no expert on the mechanics of spell scribing, but I've always taken the position that sometimes authors will have their own points of view about parts of the game and/or will add stuff of their own for the sake of the story.
In short, what you are describing could be an example of artistic liberties being taken. I would not assume that all elven magic is scribed the way Aeron learns it. However, I don't know that for certain.
I'm about to read this novel, myself, so soon enough I'll have my own opinions on it.
I agree. There is probably no "universal" way to learn magic, or scribe it. I have always (both as player and DM) assumed that wizards use invented rituals and methods that have "always existed" (from mentor to apprentice) to learn and use magic (hence the spellbooks, memorizing and scribing spells, gestures, etc.). Sorcerers, on the other hand, shape these forces instictively and learn their own individual ways/rituals to cast certain spells (yet the need for verbal, somatic and material components still applies).
I remember that House Xorlarrin (sp?) wizards in Menzoberranzan tattooed their spellbooks and spells on their own skin with invisible ink, and used 'See invisibility' to memorize spells! |
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 14:16:09
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Actually I remember a 2e Bard Kit for halflings called The Whistler, as I recall the Whistler cast his bardic spells by whistling tunes! so he would have poss used a musical score for storing / scribing his spells!
Hhmmm I have some ideas for a npc in my game leading to an adventure for Lecter....
Thanks again guy's
also must research sorcerers and there natural talents.
Delz
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 17:08:32
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Originally posted by Delzounblood
Actually I remember a 2e Bard Kit for halflings called The Whistler, as I recall the Whistler cast his bardic spells by whistling tunes! so he would have poss used a musical score for storing / scribing his spells!
Hhmmm I have some ideas for a npc in my game leading to an adventure for Lecter....
Thanks again guy's
also must research sorcerers and there natural talents.
Delz
The halfling whistler kit has been updated to a PrC: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20061121a |
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