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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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 Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 05:06:45
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I'm looking forward to this product. Anyone else?
If it's like Spell Compendium, I have a feeling that this purchase will be one that is totally worth every penny...
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 10:31:25
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| Well I still haven't switched editions (and never will), but the old four volume set of magical items from 2ed. is still among my favorite products. If this new set comes anywhere near these in usefulness many people will be very happy indeed. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 11:15:55
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Well I still haven't switched editions (and never will), but the old four volume set of magical items from 2ed. is still among my favorite products. If this new set comes anywhere near these in usefulness many people will be very happy indeed.
That indeed was an impressive, and very helpful work! If there is one ever for sale on ebay, they sell for a kings ransom. A friend of mine has all for and I drop by every now and than to 'get inspired'!  |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 19:30:59
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| I think people will be really happy with this one (and unlike the other books I've recommended, I can back this up because I wrote a big chunk of the new items.) |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 21:50:26
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Life is either daring adventure or nothing. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6648 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 00:24:22
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I'll definitely be getting this one. I've enjoyed the Spell Compendium, and think this one will be just as good.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 00:30:30
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| The renaming of all the FR spells really put me off the Spell compendium |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 01:05:04
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Originally posted by Dargoth
The renaming of all the FR spells really put me off the Spell compendium
Me too. But from what I can tell, the Magic Item Compendium isn't going to be drawing on FR items and will have hundreds of new ones. |
Life is either daring adventure or nothing. |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 16:57:40
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I just renamed them right back. 
Eytan, do you know (and can you tell us!) if there is going to be a separate section for new FR items in this book? |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 22:14:04
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| I do know (I have access to the book), but can't tell you what will be in it. I can say that you will be seeing a fair number of previews in the coming weeks. |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
Edited by - EytanBernstein on 28 Jan 2007 22:14:28 |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 23:33:28
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I do know (I have access to the book), but can't tell you what will be in it. I can say that you will be seeing a fair number of previews in the coming weeks.
I should hope so too given it's supposed to ship in March.  |
Life is either daring adventure or nothing. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 23:45:29
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Will MIC have treasure generation tables like DMG?
How much of the repeated material is from the DMG? |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 10:35:28
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| Sorry, I can't really comment more. |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2007 : 04:52:07
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| Saw the "runestaff" on the WOTC site preview . . . I like them, its a cool idea. I get the feeling I'll like this book, but I'm still interested in seeing more of it (and I really hope there aren't any renamed FR items . . . it took me forever to rewrite all of the renamed names in my Spell Compendium). |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 08:35:26
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3 MIC article up at wizards including art gallery, designers interview and excerpts
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/welcome |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 23:32:00
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| I have to say I'm quite looking forward to this one now, I'll definitely be having a good look at it when I get chance to get to my FLGS. |
Life is either daring adventure or nothing. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2007 : 12:25:48
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Saw the "runestaff" on the WOTC site preview . . . I like them, its a cool idea. I get the feeling I'll like this book, but I'm still interested in seeing more of it (and I really hope there aren't any renamed FR items . . . it took me forever to rewrite all of the renamed names in my Spell Compendium).
Going through the art gallery, I've so far found Moonstone Mask, Troll Gut Rope, and Ankh of Ascension with their original names.
Oh, and are "Rock Boots" made of blue suede d'you think? |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2007 : 12:42:19
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Ah ah ah! don't tell that to a dwarf, as this could seriously reduce your sales!  |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2007 : 13:50:09
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In addition to what's already been mentioned, the Amber Amulet of Vermin, Armband of Maximized Healing, Badge of the Svirfneblin, Bag of Boulders, Belt of Priestly Might, Blast Globes, Cloak of Battle, Cloak of Quills, Dove's Harp, Dragon's Draught, Enemy Spirit Pouch, Fanged Mask, Headband of the Lorebinder, Helm of Gazes, Mithral Bells, Moonstone Mask, Necklace of Copper Dragon Scales, Phoenix Helm, Ring of Nine Lives, Ring of Spell-Battle, Rod of Viscid Globs, Salve of Minor Spell Resistance, Skull Plaque, Spider Rod, and Unicorn Pendant all seem to have kept their original names.
Amulet of Laeral's Tears became Amulet of Tears. The Hair shirt of Ilmater became the Hair Shirt of Suffering. Neclace of Acid Pearls and Necklace of Lightning seem to have been changed to Strand of Acid Pearls and Strand of Lightning.
This is just a cursory list. I'm sure there are tons more items in the book from FR sources. I only looked through Magic of Faerun.
I had no involvement with what old items got included and what names they received.
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http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2007 : 22:48:35
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I'm looking forward to this product. Anyone else?
If it's like Spell Compendium, I have a feeling that this purchase will be one that is totally worth every penny...
Heck yes I'm stoked for this book!
I've already mentioned it to my players and got quite a lot of eager looks in response when I talked about teh individual items that compliment each other because they are part of a greater set.
This is an obvious plus from a lore/play standpoint because such sets can be the legacy of a creator and can let DM's easily built plot points and adventure hooks around them.
License for me to be creative, and all that.
Thanks Eytan for sharing!
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2007 : 23:20:02
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
In addition to what's already been mentioned, the Amber Amulet of Vermin, Armband of Maximized Healing, Badge of the Svirfneblin, Bag of Boulders, Belt of Priestly Might, Blast Globes, Cloak of Battle, Cloak of Quills, Dove's Harp, Dragon's Draught, Enemy Spirit Pouch, Fanged Mask, Headband of the Lorebinder, Helm of Gazes, Mithral Bells, Moonstone Mask, Necklace of Copper Dragon Scales, Phoenix Helm, Ring of Nine Lives, Ring of Spell-Battle, Rod of Viscid Globs, Salve of Minor Spell Resistance, Skull Plaque, Spider Rod, and Unicorn Pendant all seem to have kept their original names.
Amulet of Laeral's Tears became Amulet of Tears. The Hair shirt of Ilmater became the Hair Shirt of Suffering. Neclace of Acid Pearls and Necklace of Lightning seem to have been changed to Strand of Acid Pearls and Strand of Lightning.
This is just a cursory list. I'm sure there are tons more items in the book from FR sources. I only looked through Magic of Faerun.
I had no involvement with what old items got included and what names they received.
We'll Im glad you told me that, I was going to buy MIC but now Im going to give it a miss. The renaming of realms material was one of the things I hated about spell compendium
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l33td0ggy
Acolyte
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 03:28:12
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Originally posted by Dargoth
We'll Im glad you told me that, I was going to buy MIC but now Im going to give it a miss. The renaming of realms material was one of the things I hated about spell compendium
i cant see passing up on a book jsut because they renamed some stuff. all the mateiral is the same... just the name is diffrent. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 03:42:55
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| It ticks me off a bit, because I don't know why presenting something for "general" D&D a Realms item needs to be expunged of its FR name, as if we don't want Khelben, Laeral, Elminster and the others to get as much name recognition as Otto, Bigby, Tenser, and Mordenkainen. At any rate, its not enough for me to not buy the book, but its a thought process that I don't really understand. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 09:38:59
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| I wouldn't skip it on that account. If anything, I think the list I gave you shows that they kept the significant majority of names and only changes a few. (Like changing necklace to strands for instance). And don't forget, there are a massive number of new items as well, a lot of which are really good. I don't know what the rationale is for changing some and not others, but I think they are trying to make the items as useful to as many people as possible. For Eberron players, items with Realms names might be a turn off. You guys probably wouldn't want to use a kalashtar knife, warforged gauntlet, or something similar. If they made them useful to other settings without keeping the Eberron flavor, you might check them out. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 16:06:02
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It won't decide me to buy or not buy this book, but what's objectionable about the deRealmsifying of names is that it makes the items less interesting and obscures their heritage -- this in an industry where creators are poorly credited -- not for the sake of making them more broadly useable but to appease a foolish minority needlessly put off by setting detail.
It's not fair to assume we're all chauvinists about Eberron either; the 'flavor' is exactly what all magic items have going for them, and if I'm going to use an Eberron-originating item in a Realms campaign I want to know what it is and change it informedly, not work from a blanded-out reduction of it that has less likelihood to appeal to anyone in the first place. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 18:02:27
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| Yeah, it's not as if, say, the magic spells that featured the names of Greyhawk wizards ever bothered me or "threw me off". |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 18:42:04
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Oddly enough, since I posted above hoping that the names wouldn't change, I wanted to chime in and say that, I think I may (sadly) see where some of this might come from. I can's speak for the entire D&D playing audience, but I have noticed that people these days, even on more civil boards like the DragonLance Forums and Paizo, are very "pro" their own setting and "anti" anyone elses. It doesn't bother many of us here, but perhaps WOTC has some information that might indicate that the "average" dedicated Eberron fan, for example, is very negative about anything FR, and vice versa.
Just throwing that out there. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 20:20:16
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I am not suggesting anyone here is acting chauvinistically. Rather, as KnightErrantJR pointed out, the average fan is likely to be more receptive to items with setting neutral names. I know numerous gamers who feel this way, unwilling to touch either Realms or Eberron mechanics (whether spells, feats, PrCs, or items) with a 10 foot pole. For these people, the compendium is a great place to get a larger variety of items they wouldn't have heard of, but with the legitimacy of a core product.
Actually, this whole discussion gives me a good idea for a web enhancement. Perhaps a list of the items from different books and what their names were changed to/from would be helpful. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 20:53:09
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And alternate names with mini-backgrounds for different settings?
I hope you're wrong about what seems to me a minority being the average fan. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 20:58:40
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
Actually, this whole discussion gives me a good idea for a web enhancement. Perhaps a list of the items from different books and what their names were changed to/from would be helpful.
I, for one, would heartily welcome this.
Didn't they do the same for the Spell Compendium? |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 21:35:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, for one, would heartily welcome this.
Didn't they do the same for the Spell Compendium?
Yep. I can see the logic in renaming items to be generic (even if it makes me a little sad, with the whole 'setting vs setting' thing that seems to be sweeping the D20 settings) A list of the renamed items with original names would be fantastic, as they had right at the start of the Spell Compendium. |
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