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Skelessdelradris
Acolyte
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 Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 02:25:41
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I've been doing a great deal of research trying to figure out the history and current status of all the fallen, (and unfallen) Enclaves of Netheril. Using all the resources available I've constructed a detailed list of quite a few of them... I'm trying to gain as much information as possible... This is what I've been able to figure out so far...
Aquessir (Shadowtop) - Created by Trebbe, fell before the Great Fall
Maunator (Sunrest) Fell before the Great Fall
Lhaoda- ?
Akinater (Quagmire) - Falls and is taken over by the Lizard King
Gr'Zhad
Delia - Created by Arcanist Lady Polaris
Doubloom - ?
Eileanar (Karsus's Enclave)
Frenwey (Yeoman's Loft) - ?
Jethaera - ?
Jiksidur (Laroch's Enclave) - ?
Jockteleg - Arcanist Quantoul survives the fall
Lathery - Arcanist Veridon used Enclave to fish the Narrow Sea.
Enclave is currently upside down, intact, with a working
mythallar in the frigit water miles under the narrow sea.
It is currently under the High Ice
Nhalloth - Crashed into the Inner Sea, currently buried under miles
of sand
Orbedal (Sanctuary) - Ruins became the Warlocks Crypt
Palter - ?
Phykornel (Buoyance) - ?
Sakkors - Raised from the Inner Sea, Mythallar is functioning and
Enclave once again is in the sky
Spiel - ?
Xinlenal (Ioulaums Enclave) - ?
Selunarra (Opus) - Still exists, Enclave fully operational. In
another plane
Thultanthor (shade enlave) - Enclave currently in the Realms.
Fully operational.
Hlondath - [Surivor state] - Fields are consumed by expansion of
Anauroch. Abandoned afterwards
Asram - [Survivor State] - Falls victom to plagues. No one survives
Anauria - [Survivor State] - Falls to an orc invasion
Sargauth Enclave - Skullport - 13 arcanists make the the Skullport
Skulls
Three Subsea Enclaves of Deep Netheril - Destroyed by Elvin HighMages
So this is what I've been able to dig up so far... I want to learn as much about the history, current location of, and what thier status are at the moment. I'm very, very curious. I would love a reference detailing all the Enclaves that were created during the height of Netheril and what happened to them after the fall. It would be great to know if they still have Mythallar's intact or not. Which ones could Shake in theory restore? 
Mod Edit: put in spoiler warning in the title--Arkhaedun
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Edited by - Arkhaedun on 20 Dec 2006 05:05:07
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Skelessdelradris
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 02:27:49
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BTW: Like I said.. this is all the information that I could find. Its possible that some of it COULD in inaccurate so dont hold me to gun point! The Enclaves of Netheril have become a sick obsession of mine lately and I cant stop trying to find out more and more about them! :) LOL
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 03:26:44
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Some of it is definitely inaccurate. Sakkors is a fifteen-mile long pile of rubble in the Inner Sea. Nhalloth lies off the coast of Aglarond, and is reasonably intact. (Sea of Fallen Stars for these)
Lathery is one I've not heard of... But if it was in the Realms when Karsus cast his Ultimate Mistake spell, then it can't have a working mythallar -- all magic stopped working; had the mythallars resumed operation, then more of Netheril would have survived.
There's rumored to be an enclave (or at least a Netherese city) in Firedrake Bay, off the coast of Tethyr, according to Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II.
Unless I am mistaken, the only enclaves known to have working mythallars are Shade and Selūnarra. And we don't know how well Shade's is working... The remaining Netherese enclaves are mostly rubble. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 20 Dec 2006 03:29:29 |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 04:58:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Unless I am mistaken, the only enclaves known to have working mythallars are Shade and Selūnarra. And we don't know how well Shade's is working... The remaining Netherese enclaves are mostly rubble.
Hmm, I suppose that in Skullport it's not a mythallar ? |
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Arkhaedun
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 05:05:57
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| MLT, I put in a spoiler warning at the begining of the thread since part of what you posted does give away a pretty big surprise from Shadowbred . . . |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 05:09:09
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Originally posted by Arkhaedun
MLT, I put in a spoiler warning at the begining of the thread since part of what you posted does give away a pretty big surprise from Shadowbred . . .
If you mean : Selunarra (Opus) - Still exists, Enclave fully operational. In another plane.
Nothing new there, it was in 2E and hinted in previous 3E products (FRCS?). |
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Arkhaedun
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 05:10:57
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| No, there is another (to quote Yoda). But I don't want to be too specific in case anyone wandered in on the thread before the spoiler warning. |
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 09:14:23
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| Let's just say that Woolly isn't quite up to speed ;) |
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Skelessdelradris
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 10:33:09
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Thanks for the spoiler warning.... :D Sorry about that!
Okay, without getting into TOO much detail about current realms novels... we DO know that other mythallar's OTHER then Shade and Selunarra function. And we know that fallen Enclaves CAN be successfully raised. I dont want to go into too much detail over HOW they can raised and whether the shadow weave or the regular weave can raise these beasts. I'm just trying to find current resting locations of the ruins and interesting history about the various Enclaves.
Thanks for all the replies so far!
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Skelessdelradris
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 04 Jan 2007 : 15:41:23
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-------SPOILER WARNINGS--------
If one fallen Enclave can be raised, what about raising another? As long as the Mythallar was in undamaged shape why not another? While most of the Netherese Encalves were completely destroyed I'm sure there must be several in decent shape....
I'm sure that the three survivor states, Hlondath, Asram and Anauria, (which landed completely intact) must have a hidden Mythallar burried under the sands along with the ruins of the cities. I dont know... just gives me something to think about.
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Tamtararamtam
Acolyte
Poland
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Posted - 20 Jan 2008 : 18:04:06
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Soiler question:
How did the Shades managed to activate the mythallar in Sakkors? Was it intact, or did they somehow repair it? (I doubt that, since they couldn't do that with the one in the City of Shade)? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Jan 2008 : 19:26:03
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| I've not yet read the novels, but I'm still wildly curious as to how a fifteen-mile long trail of rubble was raised back into a city... |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2008 : 19:33:16
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Okay, spoiler time, but you really should read Shadowbred, as its a great novel:
Sakkors was a psionic, sentient mythallar, so it survived the destruction of the city. The mythallar was the key to the whole thing. Essentially a team of shadovar led by one of the princes cast a lot of spells to collect and restore the city around the mythallar. So essentially, the city was rubble, but the princes cast tons of spells to bring it back together again, as the main "thrust" was the intact mythallar that was found. |
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Tamtararamtam
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Jan 2008 : 20:30:46
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I'm going to read it as soon as it's going to be published in Poland.
Or perhaps I'll order it through amazon... Don't know yet.
Thank for the info. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2008 : 23:08:39
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Well, there's Undrentide, featured in the Neverwinter Nights expansion Shadows of Undrentide (spoiler):
The main bad guy from the expansion--who happened to be a medusa lich (!) bound herself to a mythallar and used it to raise the enclave (which was somewhere in the Anauroch) into the sky again, however, thanks to the PC the BBEG wound up dead (the PC destroyed the mythallar) and the floating city crashed back to the ground.
This enclave was made canon in the GHotR.
There's also Negrath, from the novel Depths of Madness. |
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Skelessdelradris
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 21 Jan 2008 : 19:20:29
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I didnt read the novel Depths of Madness yet but whats this about Negrath? Was it an enclave?? Curious for more details |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 21 Jan 2008 : 22:42:47
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Originally posted by MTLBiceps
I didnt read the novel Depths of Madness yet but whats this about Negrath? Was it an enclave?? Curious for more details
It must have been. But it seemed to be buried under the Anauroch (and doesn't get revived or anything, either). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 23:21:40
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
But it seemed to be buried under the Anauroch (and doesn't get revived or anything, either).
Ahem: yet.
Doesn't happen in the novel, but you never know, really. 
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 23:22:21
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
But it seemed to be buried under the Anauroch (and doesn't get revived or anything, either).
Ahem: yet.
Doesn't happen in the novel, but you never know, really.
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Skelessdelradris
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 00:38:09
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LOL
Is there a chance of it being revived?? Go figure, i've read almost every other novel except for this one... I plan on getting it in the next few weeks... are there hints of it being revived? Clues?
I really need to purchase this novel! LOL
MTLBiceps
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 01:02:13
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Hints? Clues?
Hmmm... I would say that really depends on just *how* you read the few intriguing tidbits Erik shared with us about Negarath in Depths of Madness.
I don't want to spoil it for you, but when I started learning a little about the enclave's history... a few ideas about it returning to power did start popping into my head. 
I'll note further that Erik laid a pretty "tinker-friendly" foundation for Negarath. A creative DM really could do wonderful things with this particular enclave.
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Edited by - The Sage on 24 Jan 2008 01:03:26 |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 15:59:02
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'll note further that Erik laid a pretty "tinker-friendly" foundation for Negarath. A creative DM really could do wonderful things with this particular enclave.
That was definitely my intention!
It's rather amorphous, this buried enclave, so you can basically run anything you want in there.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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