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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 02:44:44
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Would any scribes here be so good as to tell me where I can find out more about the Zhent occupation of Daggerdale, and particularly Randal Morn's return?
I have the FRCS, Volo's Guide to the Dales and the 2E boxset. I don't have the 2E (or is it 1E?) Dalelands sourcebook. I also don't possess the series of adventures connected to this event, so would be very grateful if someone could give me a basic recap of what happens in them.
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 03:40:20
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| I don't have a ton of info on it but I know the City of the Spiderqueen module takes place in Daggerdale and has a small amount of info about Morn's return. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 03:49:22
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| Ed has also discussed Randal Morn and his sister, see my 2005, I believe it's in 2005, files that are in my sig. :) Use the index to search for Morn or Daggerdale. |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 12:47:50
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| It has been a while since I read it, but doesn't one of the Finder novels deal with Daggerdale? (Finder's Bane?) As I remember it had some interesting info in it. I would also be interested in this info. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 16:49:54
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Thanks, I have a couple more questions.
The FRCS, on page 127, says Randal Morn was the hereditary ruler of Daggerdale. Does he have a wife and any children to succeed him, or is this unknown? Given that he first went into exile in 1336 DR, and if we assume he was 20 at the time (though I have no idea how old he was), that would make him close to 60, so such a matter might be of importance in the near future. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 17:19:22
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From Ed's June 10th reply about the Morns that I mentioned above.
"Ed replies:
Randal may well have ‘weak seed’ (near-sterility, perhaps from genetics, and perhaps from long, hard hours in the saddle and years of living in the open under harsh conditions). He’s certainly shown no signs of fathering anyone - - and he HAS enjoyed many trysts and even several-year-long affairs with women during his rugged life. I don’t think his ties with Cormyr would be altered at all (Vangerdahast and others have long since used magic to stealthily ‘read’ what they could of Randal’s mind, and take his true measure and learn his loyalties). What will happen is that some Highknight, undercover War Wizard, or other Cormyrean spies will go into Daggerdale (which is already awash in Harper, Zhent, Sembian, Dalesfolk, and yes, Cormyrean spies) to watch and listen carefully for any signs of Cormaerils subverting Randal Morn or “starting anything.”"
There's more about the Morns in the 2005 replies and in the reply from that date. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 22:18:04
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| Good old Ed, I wish I'd read through the answers fully before asking the questions, trust him to have answered in such depth. It's all good though, gives me a lot to work from. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 22:56:01
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| Further info on Daggerdale during the Zhent occupation can be found in the Sword of the Dales Trilogy of modules |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2006 : 00:04:33
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Further info on Daggerdale during the Zhent occupation can be found in the Sword of the Dales Trilogy of modules
Indeed, I mentioned that, and was hoping someone would give me an overview of what happens during them. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Apr 2006 : 20:49:32
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Well basically, the PC's arrive in Daggerfalls and are told that Randal Morn has gone missing. He was last known to be seeking Shraevyn's Tomb (this is what is covered briefly in Finder's Bane - nice snippet  ). When the PC's arrive at the tomb, they locate the Sword of the Dales.
I can't remember the details, but then end up traveling to a gnome village in the Spiderhaunt Woods. I think there's a seer there who tells them about his dreams of a tower etc.
The PC's then seek out the tower and within find Randal Morn in stasis. There's a wizard of some sort who has him captive and must be slain to free Randal and give him the sword to rule the Dale.
I think that's the basics of it. Sorry if it's not 100% accurate but it's been many many years since I ran the adventures, and I did expand upon it myself in a few places.
Check out the pages on the site, as I think they have the back cover blurb:
Sword of the Dales - http://www.candlekeep.com/bookshelf/products/9484.htm
The Secret of Spiderhaunt - http://www.candlekeep.com/bookshelf/products/9485.htm
The Return of Randal Morn - http://www.candlekeep.com/bookshelf/products/9488.htm
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 01:12:31
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| Excellent, thanks. Gives me a little more background I can build in. |
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Dungeon Moron
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 21:30:25
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I dont know if it is mentioned here. I didnt think so, but.
In the boxed set of Zhentil Keep 2nd edition, there is a quest in which Randal Morn plays an important part |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 23:22:18
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If you go even deeper into 2e, there's an adventure called Doom of Daggerdale that deals with the dale when it's fully occupied and freedom is years away. It's for 1st level PC's and essentially they get caught up in a magical plague that a resurrected evil wizard ancestor of Randal's had cooked up to bring him back into power. (When a group of mine ran it, one of my players used the adventure to springboard himself into the Zhent heirarcy in the dale... as he was a gold elven bladesinger Harper, it led to some fascinating one-on-one adventures... he eventually became constable, and spent most of his time covertly getting the Zhents into as much trouble as he could).
Anyway, in the adventure you wander the town, and investigate the ruins of a church of Lathander (and the dungeons beneath it). The events in the adventure are alluded to in Volo's Guide to the Dalelands, which is another place you might want to look. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 13:52:55
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| Is that Colderan Morn, Randal's great-grandfather? I'm assuming so, since the answers Ed gave name only Randal, Silver, and Colderan as the Morn's whose names have made it into print. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 16:53:48
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| Yep, Colderan is the guy. You get to give him his final death in the adventure. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 00:20:38
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Yep, Colderan is the guy. You get to give him his final death in the adventure.
Or do you?! *cue evil laughter*  My mind is ticking... |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2006 : 15:09:20
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Can anyone please tell me which year Doom of Daggerdale is supposed to be set in?
I assume the Sword of the Dales trilogy is set in 1369 (I think), the year that Randal Morn reclaimed Daggerdale. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2006 : 22:44:36
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| Only two years? Fair play, I'd have guessed it was longer ago. Thanks anyway. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2006 : 23:41:46
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| Yes, FRQ3 is set 1367 DR. We know this from its references to Dulwar Leatherworker's arrival 'a few years ago' (p. 6) and the burning of the temple of Lathander 'eight years ago' exactly as in FRS1 The Dalelands (p. 21), which is expressly set in 1367. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2006 : 02:17:32
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| Interesting. I definately thought it was set much earlier, and when I ran it I think I set it in 1363 or so. Thankfully, as long as it's occupied Daggerdale after the Time of Troubles, it really doesn't matter when it's set (and, if you change the priest of Cyric to Bane, you could even set it earlier). Good to know the official date, though. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 May 2012 : 06:57:03
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<Casting Raise Dead Scroll>
Sooo...I was doing some reading of Ed Greenwood's writings in Polyhedron, and noticed that he says of Randal Morn:
"...The bard Randal Morn..."
Ok...that is the first I've seen of Randal Morn being a Bard!
I'm hashing through some other old magazines to see if I can find more; but does anyone ever remember stats for this (1st Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons...or 2nd Ed?) Randal Morn as a Bard?
Of course, the Flaming Tower is said to be ONLY six miles north of Shadowdale Town in this same article! Where the Zhentarim trade slaves to the Drow!
The magazine is Polyhedron 84, article is page 19 "The Everwinking Eye"; published June 1993...so this should be a 2nd Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Randal Morn.
So, any takers on a Randal Morn Bard? |
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 May 2012 : 07:41:54
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
<Casting Raise Dead Scroll>
Sooo...I was doing some reading of Ed Greenwood's writings in Polyhedron, and noticed that he says of Randal Morn:
"...The bard Randal Morn..."
Ok...that is the first I've seen of Randal Morn being a Bard!
I'm hashing through some other old magazines to see if I can find more; but does anyone ever remember stats for this (1st Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons...or 2nd Ed?) Randal Morn as a Bard?
Of course, the Flaming Tower is said to be ONLY six miles north of Shadowdale Town in this same article! Where the Zhentarim trade slaves to the Drow!
The magazine is Polyhedron 84, article is page 19 "The Everwinking Eye"; published June 1993...so this should be a 2nd Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Randal Morn.
So, any takers on a Randal Morn Bard?
The old boy has been a bard since the OGB - his write-up (p. 29 of the DM's Guidebook of the Realms) makes him (1E) 6th level bard (7th level fighter, 6th level thief). The 2E Boxed Set makes him an F7/Th6 (dual-classed, presumably)? The Return of Randal Morn lists his stats (as F7/th6): S 16, D 17, C 13, I 12, W 10, CH 15. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 25 May 2012 : 11:16:10
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| I frankly never thought of Randal morn as the bardic type so this is a bit of a surprise. |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 25 May 2012 : 13:46:10
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Originally posted by Thauranil
I frankly never thought of Randal morn as the bardic type so this is a bit of a surprise.
The 1e bards were a different sort, requiring a progression between fighter, druid, and thief first, IIRC.
They were sneaky fighter types with a woodland affiliation, a handful of spells, and bardic in the Celtic sense. In other words, "the Randal Morn" type.
In 3.5e, I might make him a ranger and/or scout. Then I'd look for a bard variant that didn't have arcane magic and multi-class him. (I vaguely remember there was such a think in one of the 3.5e splat books.) |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 May 2012 : 13:46:29
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<Dusts off Old Grey Box Tomes>
How did I miss that?! 
Well, I guess it just goes to show that eventually you just get too much information in the books to fit in your head! lol |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 25 May 2012 : 14:14:04
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by Thauranil
I frankly never thought of Randal morn as the bardic type so this is a bit of a surprise.
The 1e bards were a different sort, requiring a progression between fighter, druid, and thief first, IIRC.
They were sneaky fighter types with a woodland affiliation, a handful of spells, and bardic in the Celtic sense. In other words, "the Randal Morn" type.
In 3.5e, I might make him a ranger and/or scout. Then I'd look for a bard variant that didn't have arcane magic and multi-class him. (I vaguely remember there was such a think in one of the 3.5e splat books.)
The Scout.
The Iron Kingdoms rules had a great variant for this. |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 26 May 2012 : 01:18:50
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| I'm currently make a conversion on Doom of Dagggerdale to 3.5 edition ....I think as a scout Randal Morn would be great!!! Have you any suggestions about all his stats as a scout??? |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 26 May 2012 : 11:07:38
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by Thauranil
I frankly never thought of Randal morn as the bardic type so this is a bit of a surprise.
The 1e bards were a different sort, requiring a progression between fighter, druid, and thief first, IIRC.
They were sneaky fighter types with a woodland affiliation, a handful of spells, and bardic in the Celtic sense. In other words, "the Randal Morn" type.
In 3.5e, I might make him a ranger and/or scout. Then I'd look for a bard variant that didn't have arcane magic and multi-class him. (I vaguely remember there was such a think in one of the 3.5e splat books.)
The Scout.
The Iron Kingdoms rules had a great variant for this.
Yeah I pretty much saw him as a ranger / scout character. But then I am not too familiar with 1 e. Bards are Barenis like characters to me. |
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