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ShadowJack
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  12:54:59  Show Profile  Visit ShadowJack's Homepage Send ShadowJack a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Most Learned Sages,

Well Met, I apologize for i am sure this question has been asked. Where in the Realms do you think an academy that trains Warmages would be located? (I have just received a copy of Complete Arcane) Of course the obvious answer is Cormyr, the War Wizards. I always thought of the War Wizards as being your standard wizards or Specialist Wizards (evokers). I suppose that there could be a small academy in Waterdeep... Do you suppose that any mercenary sponsored Academies exist? Where would be a good location for this school? Let me know what you think.

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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  14:51:08  Show Profile Send Crennen FaerieBane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I think any empire that might go to war a lot that doesn't already have a special PrC built for it. I would consider Lapiliiya down south, maybe Amn as well. Tethyr might have some Warmages on hand with the Ogre empire right at their doors as well.

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ShadowJack
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  15:12:37  Show Profile  Visit ShadowJack's Homepage Send ShadowJack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
C-Fb,

Thanks! I would never have thought of Lapiliiya. Is there any detailed info on this country? It is mentioned in Shining South, but I do not remember any detailed info.

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Fletcher
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  17:29:22  Show Profile  Visit Fletcher's Homepage Send Fletcher a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Halruaa. Tons of opportunity in Halruaa. Once again Shining South book. I don't remember if they mentioned them specifically, but considering how many of the people use magic in that country...I would say it had an incredibly strong chance of having a couple warmage colleges.

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Thureen Buroch
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  17:59:31  Show Profile  Visit Thureen Buroch's Homepage Send Thureen Buroch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Evermeet could have a few Warmages on hand. After all, an elf's favored class is wizard, and Evemeet has a lot of elves ... Considering the power of Evermeet's protecting forces, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they had quite a few elves trained at laying waste to enemies with the fireball spell. These warmages would probably be in Evermeet's navy, where they would blast away at enemy ships. I doubt there would be many in the ground forces, since elves don't like destroying the land around them.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  22:00:02  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In my campaign War Wizards are an Order of Wizards devoted to Tempus

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ShadowJack
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  22:22:13  Show Profile  Visit ShadowJack's Homepage Send ShadowJack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Many thanks,
These are all great ideas. You have given me much to chew on. Dargoth, it is funny that I did not think of Realmsian Warmages venerating Tempus. I like to play a Priest of Tempus (War domain spells) Tempus serving Warmages fits right into my Warmage Mercenary Academy idea...

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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  22:56:31  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ShadowJack

Many thanks,
These are all great ideas. You have given me much to chew on. Dargoth, it is funny that I did not think of Realmsian Warmages venerating Tempus. I like to play a Priest of Tempus (War domain spells) Tempus serving Warmages fits right into my Warmage Mercenary Academy idea...



In my campaign the War Mage order appears in the mid 1360s between Cyrics destruction of Zhentil Keep and the the conclusion of the Trial of Cyric the Mad. During this time period goody 2 shoes Mystra/Midnight stops granting war spells to mortals.

Tempus responds by founding an order of Arcane spellcasters devoted to him. Warmages still get there spells through Mystra and the Weave but Mystra isnt their patron deity Tempus is


Hmm sounds like another article for Candlekeep....

*Adds it to my to do list*

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Edited by - Dargoth on 22 Dec 2005 23:02:18
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scererar
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  23:05:04  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would think a war mage academy would be located anywhere that has a sizable army, goes to war frequently, or needs to defend from others wanting to go to war with them frequently.

Some locations I was thinking of were Cormyr, silverymoon, Waterdeep, The dragon reach areas, and being in the middle of Scions trilogy, I would definetly think a war mage could fit in well with all of the merchant clans of Arrabar and the like.
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Kajehase
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  23:29:10  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by scererar

... and being in the middle of Scions trilogy, I would definetly think a war mage could fit in well with all of the merchant clans of Arrabar and the like.



Ah, but you have to remember that arcane spellcasters are seen as fairly nefarious characters in Chondath, due to the whole Battle at (memory malfunction) that started a severe plague. Spoiler for Scions of Arrabar-trilogy, highlight to read It is in fact starting this plague anew, that the "bad guys" in the trilogy is attempting with their zombies.

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Edited by - Kajehase on 22 Dec 2005 23:29:29
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scererar
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 :  01:43:09  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

quote:
Originally posted by scererar

... and being in the middle of Scions trilogy, I would definetly think a war mage could fit in well with all of the merchant clans of Arrabar and the like.



Ah, but you have to remember that arcane spellcasters are seen as fairly nefarious characters in Chondath, due to the whole Battle at (memory malfunction) that started a severe plague. Spoiler for Scions of Arrabar-trilogy, highlight to read It is in fact starting this plague anew, that the "bad guys" in the trilogy is attempting with their zombies.




yes you are correct, I retract the Arrabar portion. of my post. Where else would be a good choice then for a war mage academy?
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Kaladorm
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 :  01:56:56  Show Profile  Visit Kaladorm's Homepage Send Kaladorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Abbey of the Sword in Battledale might contain a few war wizards.

Also what about the mage tower in Luskan?
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 :  02:23:23  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would say . . . Baldur's Gate, since its ruled by former mercenaries, would be a good choice, since I picture a high demand for Warmage's in mercenary bands. Sembia also might have a few, since they hire a large number of mercenaries as well. I imagine that there might be a few dwarven ones too, especially in the Great Rift. Elves in Evereska I can picture training in this manner, though such wizards likely multi class as well, since they aren't destined to fully explore the Weave. I think that Cormyr would as well. As I see it, the War Wizards have several differnt functions, and some would train in "Psi-ops" (illusions), espianage (divination and perhaps enchantment), as well as more traditional combat skills such as conjuration and evocation. Along with all of this, I can see some of the War Wizards that might have had some sorcerous talent being funneled along the "warmage" road.

Waterdeep has just about everything, so a Warmage acadamy wouldn't surprise me, though the Lords would likely keep a close eye on it, and I don't picture any of the Wizardly instructors among the nobles to favor that particular path themselves. Calimshan, likewise being huge and facinated with magic, likely has a few. I mean, if they have individual espianage and assasin schools affiliated with various pashas, why not warmages? Silverymoon, with its many magical colleges and its Knights in Silver would likely have a place to train them as well.

I can picture the Zhents training a few sorcerous types along this path as well. I actually don't see Halruuans doing this though, since its too much like sorcery, and not traditional magic. Likewise, the Thayans most likely would look down on warmages as being too focused and not widely educated.

And in the less commonly thought of department, I can see Hobgoblins and Fire Giants having warmages as well.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 :  18:58:48  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Off the top of my head.... Tethyr, Baldur's Gate, Waterdeep, Cormyr, Impiltur, Damara, Thay, Halruaa, Nimbral, Mulhorand, Evereska, Evermeet, Silverymoon, and maybe even Calimshan (though I'm less inclined there since they aren't exactly orderly). All of these might have them, but only a few would have sizable academies (i.e. anything consisting of more than say 10 people). Waterdeep, Nimbral and Silverymoon focus more on actual wizardry, so they probably would have small academies. Impiltur, Damara, Tethyr, Baldur's Gate, and Evereska might have fairly sizable academies, but they either are more inclined toward less arcane endeavours or have population issues to have more than say 50'ish. In Halruaa and evermeet this may be a highly respected position for those less inclined to wizardry, and I can see local guilds of them serving in the standard militia. In Thay, I can see this being a more respected path than sorcery or bard training, so many that are naturally inclined to such may become warmages. In Mulhorand, where the stink of Thay's betrayal still falls on arcane matters, I can see this also be a possible viable option.

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