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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 19:34:43
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For a while now I've been wondering about where do the dead children go after they die, because they haven't been alive long enough to actually find a suitable god.
I know that some might think that they go to the god of their parents or that Lathlander takes them because they are children (Helm also has a soft spot for children), but children don't really worship or pray to them.
Two nights ago I came up with an anwser to the problem. There is someone that kids (atleast some kids in our world) belive in. It's not ready yet so if you have any suggestions for the spots I haven't filled yet please help.
santa claus
Father Christmas
Demigod
Symbol: Sleigh with reideers
Home Plane: ?
Alignment: Lawful good
Portfolio: Christmas, happines, good deeds, children
Worshippers: Children, people with a imagination of a child
Cleric alignments: LG, NG, CG, LN
Domains: ?
Favored weapon: Deers Antler (What kind of weapon?)
Santa is the deity of Christmas spirit. He lives with celestial gnome like in his small part of plane. They work on gifts for children through the year and when it's x-mas eve he sends the gifts to all of the children who have been nice durning the previous year. He can see every naughty and nice deed made by a child, and decides who gets the present.
History
???
Dogma
Obey your parents. Be nice to all beings. The clerics should pray every night before bedtime. Other worshippers should pray atleast before christmas by writing a letter to santa, which states how nice they have been and what gifts they would like to have (other ways of praying are also available depending on the region you live in).
happy holidays everybody !!!
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I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
If I had a halfling mother and a human father, would I be a half-halfling or a threequarterling? |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 19:48:21
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Christmas doesn't exist in the Realms. No Earthism, please -- this isn't Narnia. (Although... I saw D&D stats for Santa Claus somewhere.)
Also, I recall seeing in one novel or another that some children (in Cormyr?) pray to Tymora for good luck. |
Edited by - Winterfox on 22 Dec 2005 19:49:09 |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 20:08:08
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Lighten up, I thought it was a rather jolly idea if not totally serious :)
Very fun to think things like this at christmas time |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
143 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 20:24:30
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This doesn't have to be for a realms based campaign. Just a fun little twist for people who roleplay durning the holiday season.
By the way, are any similar holidays in the realms? |
I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
If I had a halfling mother and a human father, would I be a half-halfling or a threequarterling? |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 20:51:59
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Hmm , home plane clearly is the North Pole, subsitute for that Plane of Ice (the demi-plane between water and air).
Domains should include IMO Good, Winter, Joy (if that exists), Children.
I would change weapon to a Jolly laugh (or something else) as oposed to actual weapon.
Not all that thrilled by the idea of a real world deity like this being imported into te realms, however others have been so can not complain too much. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 22 Dec 2005 23:47:34 |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
143 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 21:03:32
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Originally posted by Kentinal
I would change weapon to a Jolly laugh (or something else) as oposed to actual weapon.
What about a big peppermint candy stick.
Just think about it. An army of child paladins bashing evil/naughty beings with big candy stick that the paladin can eat to become hyperactive and get some bonus scores to his/her stats  . |
I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
If I had a halfling mother and a human father, would I be a half-halfling or a threequarterling? |
Edited by - Talanfir Swiftfeet on 22 Dec 2005 21:08:36 |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 22:30:31
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Very Amusing idea Tal!
Great way to bring the holidays to our discussion. There are stats for Santa Claus in Faeries, a game book by Byron Winstadt (think I got that right. It is by a company called Bastion Press. He is listed as the Holly King but his other names are listed as well. Check it out. Thanks for the fun post. |
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Aelf
Acolyte
USA
46 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 23:31:31
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To me, St. Nicolas just screams to be a Rogue 20 with the Saint Template from BoED.
I wonder how much flying reindeer go for .... or maybe it is a magical sleigh of holding and flying?
(apologies)
Aelf,
friendly neighborhood bard
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Aelf, a bard of the Realms |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 23:52:50
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Santa was statted out on the WotC site a couple years ago. I'm not on my home machine, so I don't have the article -- or a link to it -- handy.
A previous discussion on dead children happened quite some time ago; it may have even been on those other boards from which I am now banned. I believe Rich Baker said that children would go to the same place as their parents. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 00:11:28
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| http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20011222x it appears to be incomplete (dead or not working links) site, but is something. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 23 Dec 2005 00:12:14 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 03:12:47
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L. Frank Baum, the man famous for the Wizard of Oz, wrote a really, er, unique book on Santa Claus called The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus, which was at one time made into an animated special. Definately leans toward the magical/fey kind of feeling for Santa Claus.
Personally I like Saint Nicholas myself, and Aelf pointed out, a few rogue levels and the Saint Template would seem appropriate, though I don't know that I would be comfortable statting out a Saint venerated in the Real World.
And if you are going to make Santa into a deity, it would be more like a Holliday Deity or Yuletide Deity, since Christmas is derived from Christ's Mass, which kind of presupposes what Deity is involved.
But back to the realm of fantasy, there is a legend in DragonLance about a White Robe wizard that brings toys to good little boys and girls during the Yule celebration, so who knows, there may be a winter festival legendary figure for the Realms as well, though such would seem to be more analogous to the Real World then Ed usually made things. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 03:20:23
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But, is Santa LG or NG? I don't think he follows all the laws... maybe he's chaotic?
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Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 03:28:48
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L. Frank Baum's fey Santa? Chaotic good.
Coca-Cola Santa with the work shop and the elfs (not elves) and the wife and Reindeer? Lawful good.
Saint Nicholas, who subverted the local rulers on several occaisions on behalf of children? Neutral good.
Just my take. All depends on what "flavor" Santa you take after. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 04:54:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20011222x it appears to be incomplete (dead or not working links) site, but is something.
What links weren't working? They all worked for me...
Something labled a PDF, does not work for me, nor can I copy the text because of image mapping and non W3C complient (unless they have totaly abandoned backward compatibility). |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 05:35:38
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Something labled a PDF, does not work for me, nor can I copy the text because of image mapping and non W3C complient (unless they have totaly abandoned backward compatibility).
Again, it all worked for me... If you want one of those pdfs but can't get to them, PM me with your addy and the file you want, and I'll email them to you.
Is your Adobe up to date? Though it would seem to be a stretch for that to be the issue, I've seen it happen before... The current reader is 7.0.5. |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
143 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 07:01:10
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
But, is Santa LG or NG? I don't think he follows all the laws... maybe he's chaotic?
C-Fb
I put my santa as LG, because he teaches to obey your parents (well atleast the parents teach that). |
I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
If I had a halfling mother and a human father, would I be a half-halfling or a threequarterling? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 07:39:26
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
But, is Santa LG or NG? I don't think he follows all the laws... maybe he's chaotic?
C-Fb
I put my santa as LG, because he teaches to obey your parents (well atleast the parents teach that).
Yeah, but lawful people don't land on your roof and sneak down your chimney while you're asleep. Even though he's leaving gifts and taking naught but milk and cookies that were left out for him, he's still illegally entering your house. 
However, I did read an article today saying that Santa had reached an agreement with the US, so that he could enter US airspace without having to fill out the requisite forms. |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
143 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 08:24:48
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, but lawful people don't land on your roof and sneak down your chimney while you're asleep. Even though he's leaving gifts and taking naught but milk and cookies that were left out for him, he's still illegally entering your house.
I forgot to put in the dogma section the rule of sacrificcial milk and cookies.
And atleast in my country he doesn't sneak in while you sleep. In here he comes durning the x-mas eve and rings the doorbell. He then stays and celebrates with us (singing and maybe a few drinks of eggnog/other alcoholic drinks for the dressed up neighbour is involved  ). After that he gives the gifts. There are professional santas here (It's one of the only tax free jobs here). A good Santa can get hundreds of euros (and a lot of drinks) durning the eve by going to many homes.
It's very funny and surreal if you are out early in the x-mas day, to see the police station release tens of hangoverd santas from the nights lockup all at once .
By the way. Gues what the Knights of Christmas night (get it) use as mounts . |
I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
If I had a halfling mother and a human father, would I be a half-halfling or a threequarterling? |
Edited by - Talanfir Swiftfeet on 23 Dec 2005 08:35:12 |
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AJA
Senior Scribe
USA
747 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 09:45:19
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
But back to the realm of fantasy, there is a legend in DragonLance about a White Robe wizard that brings toys to good little boys and girls during the Yule celebration, so who knows, there may be a winter festival legendary figure for the Realms as well, though such would seem to be more analogous to the Real World then Ed usually made things.
One of the Waukeentide holidays of Waterdeep is Caravance,
"a gift-giving holiday commemorating the traditional arrival of the first caravans of the season into the city, and many parents still hide gifts in their homes, telling their children that Old Carvas left them (Old Carvas is the mythical old peddler who arrived with the first caravan into Waterdeep, his wagon loaded down with toys for all the children in Waterdeep."
Not a wintertime holiday, but it does bear strong resemblance to Saint Nick and his sled o' goodies....
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 11:19:21
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Originally posted by AJA
One of the Waukeentide holidays of Waterdeep is Caravance,
"a gift-giving holiday commemorating the traditional arrival of the first caravans of the season into the city, and many parents still hide gifts in their homes, telling their children that Old Carvas left them (Old Carvas is the mythical old peddler who arrived with the first caravan into Waterdeep, his wagon loaded down with toys for all the children in Waterdeep."
Not a wintertime holiday, but it does bear strong resemblance to Saint Nick and his sled o' goodies....
I appears no one is immune to Santifying their world. Maybe it has something to do with Micheal Moorcock . . . an eternal giftgiver?
Of corse, there should be an evil Santa somewhere then . . . wait, the Grinch . . . ever notice there ins't a "real" Santa around the night that he steals all the toys? |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 12:40:11
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That's one thing I didn't like when reading Dragonlance Legends...the mention of "Yuletide". It's just not fitting in a fantasy setting. I whinced at reading this as much as I hated it in Narnia.
Thank the gods that it doesn't exist in the Realms! |
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"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 14:21:42
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I don't think there is anything wrong with a Xmas type holiday in FR - now, I don't think it's Xmas, just like maybe a blessing for Chauntea? Birth of Mystra (the 3rd incarnation - new holiday)?
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11691 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 15:27:25
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Well, I'm glad to see you folk have finally figured out my secret. Sure, I'm a Thayan who runs around wearing Red.... I forgot to mention that it was winter wolf lined red robes. Yes, I'm pudgier than my former student Sleyvas, and a little more inclined to laugh. I even disagree with the politics of my homeland, for I find slavery abhorred, and slavery of children worse of all. Thus, I've started a movement based on an ancient Raumathic tradition. With my team of Rashemi-bred Warstags and my sleigh reins of flying, I've been delivering toys and candy to the poor slave children in the slave farms surrounding Surthay. So far, the Thayans have not gotten overly upset at my antics.... hopefully they don't discover that I've also been setting up portals to free lands and certain toys work as the gatekeys.
Flarik Calroegen,
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Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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