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nagitiveD
Acolyte
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I just read Elminster's daughter and was wondering if the essence of Mystra's chosen can be passed on to thier offsping ,and if so would the silver fire be lessend in its abilities.
EDIT: Moved to the appropriate forum section by your friendly cyberhood moderator -- The Sage  .
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 04:29:40
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Not as such, no. The select children of each of Mystra's Chosen haven't particularly displayed any real abilities with regard to either silverfire or the Mystra's Chosen powers of their parents. There have, of course, been many examples of offspring from Chosen of Mystra parents, but there has been no specific details or lore about whether these particular offspring have any of the powers of their parents.
None of the children from any of the Seven Sisters have ever displayed any significant abilities because of the blood in their veins. Maura certainly hasn't and neither has Qilue's daughter. There isn't much canon material to support, with complete certainty, whether Alustriel's daughters have any abilities, but given the examples of other offspring from some of the Seven Sisters, it also seems unlikely. In addition, the male offspring of Dove has also shown no proficiency. And even considering the case of Narna, neither does Elminster's offspring.
Oh, and we have little information about Khelben's offspring, so we can't make any completely accurate assumptions there either.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 05:26:44
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Don't forget the fact that Alustriel's sons haven't demonstrated any Chosen abilities.  |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 06:22:55
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Yeah, but what's going to happen when Khelben and Laeral have children ...?
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 06:30:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Don't forget the fact that Alustriel's sons haven't demonstrated any Chosen abilities.
Confound it  .
I knew I forgot some offspring somewhere along the way.
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Yeah, but what's going to happen when Khelben and Laeral have children ...?
-- George Krashos
An angle to explore in Steven's upcoming BLACKSTAFF novel next years perhaps...
As an aside to this though, have any DMs in their own home campaigns ever allowed the offspring of certain Chosen of Mystra to inherit any particular abilities because of who their parents were?
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 06:33:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
As an aside to this though, have any DMs in their own home campaigns ever allowed the offspring of certain Chosen of Mystra to have any particular abilities because of who their parents were?
Not really, since I very rarely use any of the Iconic NPCs in my campaigns. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 06:48:48
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I don't allow it either, and not only because I only very rarely use Mytra's Chosen in my campaigns.
Regardless of how tight a rein a DM holds on his or her campaign... allowing such an element into a game leaves the campaign open to potential abuse -- suddenly every PC will be an offspring of this or that Chosen, each brimming with some measure of their parents power.
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 06:56:06
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 08:23:06
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Powers and abilities aren't what it should be about - it's people themselves that are far more interesting. Take Shadowdale for example. Mourngrym and Shaerl have a son Scotti. Dove and Florin have a son Azalar. Can't you envision a great campaign set in the Realms of the future where Azalar inherits the leadership of the Dale from Mourngrym and Scotti gets left out in the cold - vowing revenge and allying with the Zhents and anyone else who will help him get what is 'rightfully his'. The PCs get caught in the middle or are used as dupes by Scotti and co. or all sorts of other play possibilities. Of course, when Azalar blasts Scotti with silverfire, that may well be the end of the argument!
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 13:38:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Don't forget the fact that Alustriel's sons haven't demonstrated any Chosen abilities.
Confound it .
I knew I forgot some offspring somewhere along the way.
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Yeah, but what's going to happen when Khelben and Laeral have children ...?
-- George Krashos
An angle to explore in Steven's upcoming BLACKSTAFF novel next years perhaps...
Funny you should mention that.....
You will meet no less than three descendants and a half-sister of Khelben in the novel (two of whom have been mentioned in Realmslore before, though not revealed as relatives before). I've done a full workup on his family trees, but it remains to be seen if I'll ever be able to publish it.
That said, yes, you'll learn a few dribs and drabs more about the Chosen and their children in BLACKSTAFF, but no, you won't meet Khelben's and Laeral's child(ren) therein. If they were around, we'd have to name the book BLACKCLOUT.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 13:55:56
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Don't forget the fact that Alustriel's sons haven't demonstrated any Chosen abilities.
Confound it .
I knew I forgot some offspring somewhere along the way.
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Yeah, but what's going to happen when Khelben and Laeral have children ...?
-- George Krashos
An angle to explore in Steven's upcoming BLACKSTAFF novel next years perhaps...
Funny you should mention that.....
You will meet no less than three descendants and a half-sister of Khelben in the novel (two of whom have been mentioned in Realmslore before, though not revealed as relatives before). I've done a full workup on his family trees, but it remains to be seen if I'll ever be able to publish it.
That said, yes, you'll learn a few dribs and drabs more about the Chosen and their children in BLACKSTAFF, but no, you won't meet Khelben's and Laeral's child(ren) therein. If they were around, we'd have to name the book BLACKCLOUT.
Steven
Half-sister? Do you mean that Arun had more than one child? |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 13:57:55
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Don't forget the fact that Alustriel's sons haven't demonstrated any Chosen abilities.
Neither has the living members of the Royal Family of Cormyr, since I believe they are his kids/grandkids/great grandkids.
Alusair is Elminster`s granddaughter........Now I know where she gets some of her character traits from.
Ps. And the king is his great-grandchild....That`s something that should definitely NOT be revealed. |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 14:23:16
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by warlockco
Neither has the living members of the Royal Family of Cormyr, since I believe they are his kids/grandkids/great grandkids.
Alusair is Elminster`s granddaughter........Now I know where she gets some of her character traits from.
Ps. And the king is his great-grandchild....That`s something that should definitely NOT be revealed.
I remember from somewere Ed Greenwood said that Filfaeril wasn't Elminsters daughter, but he is her ancestor. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 14:36:34
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by The Sage
An angle to explore in Steven's upcoming BLACKSTAFF novel next years perhaps...
Funny you should mention that.....
You will meet no less than three descendants and a half-sister of Khelben in the novel (two of whom have been mentioned in Realmslore before, though not revealed as relatives before). I've done a full workup on his family trees, but it remains to be seen if I'll ever be able to publish it.
I'd love to see Khelben's family tree! 
For that matter, I would love to see detailed family trees for each of Mystra's Chosen.
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That said, yes, you'll learn a few dribs and drabs more about the Chosen and their children in BLACKSTAFF, but no, you won't meet Khelben's and Laeral's child(ren) therein. If they were around, we'd have to name the book BLACKCLOUT.
Steven
Gee... With all Khelben and Laeral have been up to lately, it's a wonder they have time for procreation .
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 17:18:10
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by The Sage
An angle to explore in Steven's upcoming BLACKSTAFF novel next years perhaps...
Funny you should mention that.....
You will meet no less than three descendants and a half-sister of Khelben in the novel (two of whom have been mentioned in Realmslore before, though not revealed as relatives before). I've done a full workup on his family trees, but it remains to be seen if I'll ever be able to publish it.
I'd love to see Khelben's family tree!
For that matter, I would love to see detailed family trees for each of Mystra's Chosen.
As would I! But Khelben has long been my fave Chosen, so I'd love to see his family tree, in particular.
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
That said, yes, you'll learn a few dribs and drabs more about the Chosen and their children in BLACKSTAFF, but no, you won't meet Khelben's and Laeral's child(ren) therein. If they were around, we'd have to name the book BLACKCLOUT.
Steven
Gee... With all Khelben and Laeral have been up to lately, it's a wonder they have time for procreation .
Keep in mind that they both have access to the Time Stop spell, and neither needs to sleep... That makes for some opportunities for quality time. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 21:24:40
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Yeah, but what's going to happen when Khelben and Laeral have children ...?
-- George Krashos
I assume that to be a Chosen of Mystra, you actually have to be chosen by Mystra. And we don't know for certain if Mystra would automatically make the offspring of Khelben and Laeral a Chosen.
Besides, couldn't they take the Blessed of the Seven Sisters feat? O:) |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 27 Sep 2005 21:27:50 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Sep 2005 : 21:27:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Don't forget the fact that Alustriel's sons haven't demonstrated any Chosen abilities.
Confound it .
I knew I forgot some offspring somewhere along the way.
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Yeah, but what's going to happen when Khelben and Laeral have children ...?
-- George Krashos
An angle to explore in Steven's upcoming BLACKSTAFF novel next years perhaps...
Funny you should mention that.....
You will meet no less than three descendants and a half-sister of Khelben in the novel (two of whom have been mentioned in Realmslore before, though not revealed as relatives before). I've done a full workup on his family trees, but it remains to be seen if I'll ever be able to publish it.
That said, yes, you'll learn a few dribs and drabs more about the Chosen and their children in BLACKSTAFF, but no, you won't meet Khelben's and Laeral's child(ren) therein. If they were around, we'd have to name the book BLACKCLOUT.
Steven
Count me as one of the many people who cannot wait for Blackstaff to come out.
I wonder if Khelben will autograph copies. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 00:03:28
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by warlockco
Neither has the living members of the Royal Family of Cormyr, since I believe they are his kids/grandkids/great grandkids.
Alusair is Elminster`s granddaughter........Now I know where she gets some of her character traits from.
Ps. And the king is his great-grandchild....That`s something that should definitely NOT be revealed.
I remember from somewere Ed Greenwood said that Filfaeril wasn't Elminsters daughter, but he is her ancestor.
Correct. Elminster is not Filfaeril's "father" in the literal sense; she is one of his "daughters" in that she is a female descendant of his. More specifically, she is descended from Elminster's union with the half-elf Nacacia, as suggested in the novel Elminster in Myth Drannor. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 01:10:11
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Originally posted by The Sage
For that matter, I would love to see detailed family trees for each of Mystra's Chosen.
You wouldn't want to see Khelben's - the man's been busier than a Red Wizard at a BBQ.
-- George Krashos
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 13:50:25
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Count me as one of the many people who cannot wait for Blackstaff to come out.
I wonder if Khelben will autograph copies.
Glad to hear that, and yes, I'm already practicing/memorizing Khelben's wizard's sigil just for autographs.
Steven
Who wishes the sigil were as simple as Elminster's, much to his chagrin |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 17:12:21
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Count me as one of the many people who cannot wait for Blackstaff to come out.
I wonder if Khelben will autograph copies.
Glad to hear that, and yes, I'm already practicing/memorizing Khelben's wizard's sigil just for autographs.
Steven
Who wishes the sigil were as simple as Elminster's, much to his chagrin
I'll take one or two of those autographs. |
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Brom Greenstar
Acolyte
Argentina
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Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 18:43:07
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| getting ready my international credit card... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 20:15:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Count me as one of the many people who cannot wait for Blackstaff to come out.
I wonder if Khelben will autograph copies.
Glad to hear that, and yes, I'm already practicing/memorizing Khelben's wizard's sigil just for autographs.
Steven
Who wishes the sigil were as simple as Elminster's, much to his chagrin
Oh boy, I can hardly wait for this book!
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