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lepra
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Posted - 24 May 2010 :  21:44:53  Show Profile  Visit lepra's Homepage Send lepra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by skychrome
I see! I'd recommend The Yellow Silk again and as Wooly already said, try to get a copies of the Azure Bonds series. Realms stuff at its best. War of the Spiderqueen is also not soapy as far as my perception goes.


The Yellow Silk looks interesting. Are other books in rogues and fighters series any good?

Forgot to add that i'm not interested in drows and elves.
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skychrome
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  03:42:29  Show Profile  Visit skychrome's Homepage Send skychrome a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lepra

quote:
Originally posted by skychrome
I see! I'd recommend The Yellow Silk again and as Wooly already said, try to get a copies of the Azure Bonds series. Realms stuff at its best. War of the Spiderqueen is also not soapy as far as my perception goes.


The Yellow Silk looks interesting. Are other books in rogues and fighters series any good?

Forgot to add that i'm not interested in drows and elves.




Well, one of my favorite books is from the rogues series: "The Black Bouquet". The Yellow Silk was good, but I mainly recommended it because I feel it is absolutely not "soapy".
The Alabaster Staff from the rogues series was also pretty good.

Also very recommendable: City of Ravens from the Cities series.

All those are not much "soapy".

Regarding the fighters series: I just realized that I haven't read any of them. But I am sure, fellow scribes here have an opinion on those.

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Jorkens
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quote:
Originally posted by lepra

But you never know what strangers could have done to it, or with it.

Are there any novels referencing to Shadowstorm and events that happened in Sembia?



We are not exactly talking about buying used porn here. I have been buying used records and books (and when we are talking about antique books quite a few people have read them) for over twenty years and never had any problems.

I must admit that I am having a bit of a problem with thinking of a book that might fit your wants here though. Calling a character whiny and over-emotional is somewhat subjective. Nothing by Salvatore I would think. Cunningham has elves. The Moonshaes might work, but you might think its soapy. Night Parade and Soldiers of Ice has to much doubt in the main character (quite common in Realms books when I think about it). The Sembia series and the Erevis Cale books (which I never read) might work though

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lepra
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Posted - 26 May 2010 :  18:48:33  Show Profile  Visit lepra's Homepage Send lepra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
We are not exactly talking about buying used porn here. I have been buying used records and books (and when we are talking about antique books quite a few people have read them) for over twenty years and never had any problems.

I must admit that I am having a bit of a problem with thinking of a book that might fit your wants here though. Calling a character whiny and over-emotional is somewhat subjective. Nothing by Salvatore I would think. Cunningham has elves. The Moonshaes might work, but you might think its soapy. Night Parade and Soldiers of Ice has to much doubt in the main character (quite common in Realms books when I think about it). The Sembia series and the Erevis Cale books (which I never read) might work though



I was just being silly, i simply prefer buying new stuff.

It's not like i'm looking novels about emotionless golems. ...On the other hand, are there any novels with main characters that are constructs, elementals or similar things?

As you said level of soap is subjective to each individual. Basically i want emotions to be reasonable, realistic and explanatory. Dostoyesvky's stuff is full of whiney characters yet i like his works. Buuuut... i'm not big fun of Twilight.

And i'm not interested in heavy elven/drow lore, there can be elves in story.

quote:
Originally posted by skychrome
Well, one of my favorite books is from the rogues series: "The Black Bouquet". The Yellow Silk was good, but I mainly recommended it because I feel it is absolutely not "soapy".
The Alabaster Staff from the rogues series was also pretty good.

Also very recommendable: City of Ravens from the Cities series.

All those are not much "soapy".



I was looking for City of Ravens, but i couldn't find new copy, so i ordered next best looking book in Cities series.

Most of the stuff you mentioned, can't be found new. Guess i'll just get digital copies later and read on ereader.

And why they wouldn't re-release Azure Bonds? It seems fairly popular, at least between candlekeep members.
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Sandro
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Posted - 27 May 2010 :  09:03:29  Show Profile  Click to see Sandro's MSN Messenger address Send Sandro a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lepra

Hello! After digging through this thread and forums for an hour i still can't decide what to read next.

I have read Sellswords and The Twilight War trilogies. I'm looking for something with neutral chaotic character(s), with little soap as possible and that doesn't includes killing gods or some kind of other cataclysmic events.

I already ordered City of Splendors and Spellfire, but unfortunately someone in this thread mentioned that latter is oozing with soap.

Finder's Stone books looks interesting, but it's impossible to find new copy of Azure Bonds.

Hope you can help :)


As for novels featuring "neutral chaotic characters", you've pretty much exhausted your supply, though the Erevis Cale trilogy (which will be re-released as an omnibus the 1st of June, and so will be easily accessible without having to go to a used book store or eBay) would probably fit that mold as well.

As for soap, Salvatore's Icewind Dale trilogy has very little, and is generally considered one of the best series (by me, if by no one else) in the Realms. The Knights of Myth Drannor trilogy by Ed Greenwood doesn't have as much soap as some others, and is also a very good read. As has been mentioned, there's a lot of "soap" in most Realms novels, so you're not going to find a lot that doesn't have any.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 May 2010 :  11:42:29  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lepra


And why they wouldn't re-release Azure Bonds? It seems fairly popular, at least between candlekeep members.




Lurue only knows. They've allowed popular authors to go out of print, and reprinted series that weren't overly popular... It's another of the many business decisions made by WotC that I fail to understand.

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Jorkens
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  09:32:50  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lepra


I was just being silly, i simply prefer buying new stuff.


The problem is that many of the better Realms novels (in my opinion I should say) are long out of print. I would go for the Song & Sword books, there's plenty of elves, but I don't think you'll mind. The books were reprinted not to long ago, so they might still be available new.

quote:
It's not like i'm looking novels about emotionless golems. ...On the other hand, are there any novels with main characters that are constructs, elementals or similar things?


I seem to remember there being a Half-Golem or something like that in the Rage of Dragons series; I only read the 1st book and didn't care that much for it so my memory might be faulty here.

quote:
As you said level of soap is subjective to each individual. Basically i want emotions to be reasonable, realistic and explanatory. Dostoyesvky's stuff is full of whiney characters yet i like his works. Buuuut... i'm not big fun of Twilight.

And i'm not interested in heavy elven/drow lore, there can be elves in story.


I am as usual outdated; I have no idea of what Twilight is or what it is like.

Its the reasonable, realistic and explanatory parts that are subjective here. Take a look at a Sembia book, or one of the Erevis Cale books, I think those would be your safest choices among the newer books.


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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I seem to remember there being a Half-Golem or something like that in the Rage of Dragons series; I only read the 1st book and didn't care that much for it so my memory might be faulty here.


Correct. One of the main characters was a half-golem.

I enjoyed that trilogy, though the composition of the party was an issue to me -- way too many exotic races in one group.

quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I am as usual outdated; I have no idea of what Twilight is or what it is like.


It's an insanely popular series of books and now movies. I think the books are Young Adult. One of the main characters is an emo vampire who sparkles and hooks up with a high school girl. It's a continuation of the "vampires are t3h sexy!" schtick, gone horribly awry -- somewhere, Bram Stoker is crying his eyes out.

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Jorkens
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  19:06:56  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I seem to remember there being a Half-Golem or something like that in the Rage of Dragons series; I only read the 1st book and didn't care that much for it so my memory might be faulty here.


Correct. One of the main characters was a half-golem.

I enjoyed that trilogy, though the composition of the party was an issue to me -- way too many exotic races in one group.

quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I am as usual outdated; I have no idea of what Twilight is or what it is like.


It's an insanely popular series of books and now movies. I think the books are Young Adult. One of the main characters is an emo vampire who sparkles and hooks up with a high school girl. It's a continuation of the "vampires are t3h sexy!" schtick, gone horribly awry -- somewhere, Bram Stoker is crying his eyes out.



The Aeriel (spelling?) was a bit to much for me, and the whole book became a bit over the top where killing dragons were concerned. Come to think of it I wonder if I read the second book as well.

That sounds rather horrible. I cant remember actually following a series since Deadwood, so most things happening within movies and tv pass me by. And too me vampires are more or less homicidal parasites with less sexual appeal than... You get the idea.
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Tyranthraxus
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Posted - 05 Jul 2010 :  14:41:16  Show Profile  Visit Tyranthraxus's Homepage  Click to see Tyranthraxus's MSN Messenger address Send Tyranthraxus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm trying to catch up with Realms novels. I haven't read an awful lot of FR novels, here's what I have read:

Dark Elf & Icewind Trilogy (altough I liked them I've read enough about Drizzt & co.)
Avatar Trilogy
Finder's Stone Trilogy
Finder's Bane
Cormyr Saga
Pool of Radiance
Halls of Stormweather (wich I found by accident at a 2nd hand book store, I'm planning on buying the rest of the serie)

I recently bought the Last Mythal Trilogy and I'm planning on ordering the Elminster books.

Wich other FR novels would you scribes suggest?
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Tyranthraxus

I'm trying to catch up with Realms novels. I haven't read an awful lot of FR novels, here's what I have read:

Dark Elf & Icewind Trilogy (altough I liked them I've read enough about Drizzt & co.)
Avatar Trilogy
Finder's Stone Trilogy
Finder's Bane
Cormyr Saga
Pool of Radiance
Halls of Stormweather (wich I found by accident at a 2nd hand book store, I'm planning on buying the rest of the serie)

I recently bought the Last Mythal Trilogy and I'm planning on ordering the Elminster books.

Wich other FR novels would you scribes suggest?



If you've read the Finder's Stone books and Finder's Bane, you need to also track down Masquerade (it's one of the Harpers novels, and focuses on Alias and Dragonbait) and Tymora's Luck (it's a sequel to Finder's Bane).

Any books by Elaine Cunningham are highly recommended.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Tyranthraxus

I'm trying to catch up with Realms novels. I haven't read an awful lot of FR novels, here's what I have read:

Dark Elf & Icewind Trilogy (altough I liked them I've read enough about Drizzt & co.)
Avatar Trilogy
Finder's Stone Trilogy
Finder's Bane
Cormyr Saga
Pool of Radiance
Halls of Stormweather (wich I found by accident at a 2nd hand book store, I'm planning on buying the rest of the serie)

I recently bought the Last Mythal Trilogy and I'm planning on ordering the Elminster books.

Wich other FR novels would you scribes suggest?



If you've read the Finder's Stone books and Finder's Bane, you need to also track down Masquerade (it's one of the Harpers novels, and focuses on Alias and Dragonbait) and Tymora's Luck (it's a sequel to Finder's Bane).

Any books by Elaine Cunningham are highly recommended.

In addition to Wooly's suggestions, I'd also recommend any of Ed Greenwood's books -- most notably, "The Knights of Myth Drannor" trilogy. Also, Steven Schend's Blackstaff and Blackstaff Tower.

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skychrome
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quote:
Originally posted by Tyranthraxus

I'm trying to catch up with Realms novels. I haven't read an awful lot of FR novels, here's what I have read:

Dark Elf & Icewind Trilogy (altough I liked them I've read enough about Drizzt & co.)
Avatar Trilogy
Finder's Stone Trilogy
Finder's Bane
Cormyr Saga
Pool of Radiance
Halls of Stormweather (wich I found by accident at a 2nd hand book store, I'm planning on buying the rest of the serie)

I recently bought the Last Mythal Trilogy and I'm planning on ordering the Elminster books.

Wich other FR novels would you scribes suggest?



My thoughts on your question:

1) Try to complement the Avatars trilogy by reading book 4 and 5: Prince of Lies and Crucible. Way better than the trilogy itself in my opinion.
2) Having entered Sembia with Halls of Stormweather, you can of course read the whole series. However I'd recommend particularly to read the second book with Erevis Cale in the Sembia series which is Shadow's Witness and from there continue to the Erevis Cale Trilogy and from there to the Twilight War Trilogy. Awesome stuff!
3) War of the Spiderqueen is a really great series, even if one is not fond of Drow (like me).
4) Songs and Swords by Elaine Cunningham is classic realms. One of the few series, where I feel most sages here have a consensus on being one of the very best.

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The Red Walker
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Ghostwalker by Erik Scott de Bie ......gritty , dark and haunting

The entire Ed greenwood presents Waterdeep series.



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drkissinger1
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Can anyone recommend to me any novels (if any) that cover the following events:

-The godhood of Iyachtu Xvim and his transfiguration into Bane restored
-Returned Netheril becoming the center of Shar's worship in Faerun (I'm unsure if they were already Shar worshippers at the start of Return of the Archwizards; they praise "the Hidden One", and I can't recall whose sobriquet that is)
-Anything involving Cyric (as an important character) after the Trial of Cyric the Mad up to 1479 DR.

To minimize redundancy, I have read:
The Avatar series (up to/including Crucible)
The Dark Elf trilogy
Return of the Archwizards (up to/including the second book)
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Wooly Rupert
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Can anyone recommend to me any novels (if any) that cover the following events:

-The godhood of Iyachtu Xvim and his transfiguration into Bane restored
-Returned Netheril becoming the center of Shar's worship in Faerun (I'm unsure if they were already Shar worshippers at the start of Return of the Archwizards; they praise "the Hidden One", and I can't recall whose sobriquet that is)
-Anything involving Cyric (as an important character) after the Trial of Cyric the Mad up to 1479 DR.

To minimize redundancy, I have read:
The Avatar series (up to/including Crucible)
The Dark Elf trilogy
Return of the Archwizards (up to/including the second book)



None of those things have been covered in a novel. As for Xvim, there's been some scattered tidbits in the lore that makes me think Bane did not return, but rather that Xvim is impersonating his father.

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drkissinger1
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Ah, yes. I have heard this spoken of. I'm reserving my judgment!

Thanks for the info, though. I'm hoping the Twilight War series will give me more answers on Netheril and Shar.
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Ah, yes. I have heard this spoken of. I'm reserving my judgment!




I'm the main proponent of the theory. And the relevant bits are from sourcebooks, not novels.

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I'd outline my own take [which has been modified yet again], but lousy web access is making even this reply difficult, so...

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by drkissinger1

Ah, yes. I have heard this spoken of. I'm reserving my judgment!




I'm the main proponent of the theory. And the relevant bits are from sourcebooks, not novels.


It would make for an excellent twist (and campaign idea), if you ask me.
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Go no further. Just read Last Mythal Trilogy and The Avatar Series.

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Just readed Legacy of the drow and I'm trying tomake my mind on about to read next, should I follow the "Underdark" topic and go for "War of the Spider Queen"? or perhaps change topic completely and go for "The cleric quintet?"

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quote:
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Just readed Legacy of the drow and I'm trying tomake my mind on about to read next, should I follow the "Underdark" topic and go for "War of the Spider Queen"? or perhaps change topic completely and go for "The cleric quintet?"



The War of the Spider Queen is popular with most people. I do not include myself amongst its fans.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Thelonius

Just readed Legacy of the drow and I'm trying tomake my mind on about to read next, should I follow the "Underdark" topic and go for "War of the Spider Queen"? or perhaps change topic completely and go for "The cleric quintet?"



The War of the Spider Queen is popular with most people. I do not include myself amongst its fans.

I enjoyed a number of contributions to the series, while others didn't attract me as much. Of particular note was Thomas M. Reid's Insurrection... probably my favourite of the storyline.

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Maybe I should go for WotSQ then, don't know why but I don't find the "quintet" much appealing :)

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