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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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 Posted - 19 May 2005 : 03:18:32
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Originally posted by kuje31
Well I can see that for Eberron since this is how it is in the PHB but FR has always been divine spells must come from a deity and not a cause or the like. :)
Isn't part of the appeal of Eberron and FR that they do have differences? I'm lost as to why this decision was made. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 May 2005 : 03:28:41
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
Well I can see that for Eberron since this is how it is in the PHB but FR has always been divine spells must come from a deity and not a cause or the like. :)
Isn't part of the appeal of Eberron and FR that they do have differences? I'm lost as to why this decision was made.
It is to me. Now it seems that FR is becoming Greyhawk or Eberron lite. :( |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 24 May 2005 : 21:33:09
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Originally posted by Xysma
I'm confused here, I thought rangers and druids had always gotten their magic from nature, and clerics and paladins from their gods.
No... even rangers and druids had to pick nature deities to pray to. In 2e Faiths & Avatars it was said that all Mielikki´s specialty priests were rangers, and Silvanus´ priests were druids.
In the 3e FRCS there is even a list of nature deities which can have druid & ranger followers. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 May 2005 : 21:41:08
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Goodness gracious me . . . things like this hork me off. I have never liked the whole not needing a deity for divine magic thing, becuase it seems too much like divine magic is just another form of wizardry . . .er . . . sorcery . .. er . . . you know what I mean.
If we go this route why not just make things like in the old Lahnkmar books where "arcane" magic was black magic and "divine" magic was white magic, and forget about tradition entirely . . .
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 15:12:05
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Goodness gracious me . . . things like this hork me off. I have never liked the whole not needing a deity for divine magic thing, becuase it seems too much like divine magic is just another form of wizardry . . .er . . . sorcery . .. er . . . you know what I mean.
If we go this route why not just make things like in the old Lahnkmar books where "arcane" magic was black magic and "divine" magic was white magic, and forget about tradition entirely . . .
***sigh***
I agree that you must serve a deity to use divine magic if you are a cleric or paladin, but I think druids should get their powers directly from nature. That's the whole point of a being a druid, otherwise they're just clerics with different abilities. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 15:19:18
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Goodness gracious me . . . things like this hork me off. I have never liked the whole not needing a deity for divine magic thing, becuase it seems too much like divine magic is just another form of wizardry . . .er . . . sorcery . .. er . . . you know what I mean.
If we go this route why not just make things like in the old Lahnkmar books where "arcane" magic was black magic and "divine" magic was white magic, and forget about tradition entirely . . .
***sigh***
The only cause/reason I would accept for someone not needing a deity for divine magic is through various Cults... and ONLY for NPCs (such as a zealous adept/high priest of a Beast Cult). And I wouldn´t allow it frequently, only when related to obscure and rare Cults, perhaps?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 17:39:52
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Originally posted by Xysma
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Goodness gracious me . . . things like this hork me off. I have never liked the whole not needing a deity for divine magic thing, becuase it seems too much like divine magic is just another form of wizardry . . .er . . . sorcery . .. er . . . you know what I mean.
If we go this route why not just make things like in the old Lahnkmar books where "arcane" magic was black magic and "divine" magic was white magic, and forget about tradition entirely . . .
***sigh***
I agree that you must serve a deity to use divine magic if you are a cleric or paladin, but I think druids should get their powers directly from nature. That's the whole point of a being a druid, otherwise they're just clerics with different abilities.
Personally, I hate the idea of drawing power from nature... Worshipping concepts instead of deities just doesn't make sense to me.
And the point of being a druid is to serve nature. So how is serving a nature deity so different? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 02:37:13
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Personally, I hate the idea of drawing power from nature... Worshipping concepts instead of deities just doesn't make sense to me.
I don't have any problem with the concept of a druid drawing power from nature itself as such, but I don't think it belongs in the Realms since all magical energy is derived from the deities.
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And the point of being a druid is to serve nature. So how is serving a nature deity so different?
Perhaps druids wish to concentrate on worshipping the basic and primal aspect of nature itself. A nature deity is almost always going to do what is best for that deity before what is best for nature. So while they are the "nature god" for a particular world, they still have their own interests and agendas that might colour or influence their decisions on occasion.
Druids might see this as completely inappropriate and decide to serve nature itself which holds no bias and no particular inner self-interest. Nature, simply is...
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