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Etude
Acolyte
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 Posted - 13 Jan 2003 : 21:05:07
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Newbie here (to this board that is).
Quick question (something that's bothered me for a while): In one of the two Deities books, they mention something about the opening of portals from another world in some prior point in Toril's history where a migration of peoples took place. The reference is sort of vague but they give short descriptions about the civilizations from that world. They sounded a lot like Ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt, and the Celts. I wish I could give a more detailed quotation but my brother has discarded these resources so I can't any more specifics.
If I remember correctly again, the second Deities book also talks about the "Egyptian" portion of the Forgotten Realms and about their Gods and how they where shut out from their home world or something like that...
I apologize again for the vagueness but that's all I have left memory wise.
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2003 : 20:30:49
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| They aren't necessarily from Earth, certain pantheons are based on real world mythologies (or theologies, the Indian Pantheon is based on Hindu gods-all the religions in DnD seem structured after aspects of Hinduism, actually). The origion of the Mulhorandi's and others is left open, so they can be from Earth if you want. |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2003 : 20:50:27
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| I profit of this topic to ask everyone if there is a link between Mystara an FR. I heard about an obscur link but i'm not sure |
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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2003 : 04:25:18
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Originally posted by lowtech
They aren't necessarily from Earth, certain pantheons are based on real world mythologies (or theologies, the Indian Pantheon is based on Hindu gods-all the religions in DnD seem structured after aspects of Hinduism, actually). The origion of the Mulhorandi's and others is left open, so they can be from Earth if you want.
Not every religion is based on Hinduism. Look at Set and Osiris. They seem to have both been copied directly from the Egyptian gods. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2003 : 15:35:03
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| I was referring primarily to the manner in which petitioners "merge" with their patron deties (a shortcut in the process of reincarnation in Hindu theology). In real world Egyptian mythology, I don't think there is any parallel to that. I'm not trying to pretend I'm an expert in comparative religion or anything, my knowledge in these matters is a mile wide but only an inch deep. I just think its an interesting comparision. |
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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2003 : 05:20:44
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Originally posted by lowtech
I was referring primarily to the manner in which petitioners "merge" with their patron deties (a shortcut in the process of reincarnation in Hindu theology). In real world Egyptian mythology, I don't think there is any parallel to that. I'm not trying to pretend I'm an expert in comparative religion or anything, my knowledge in these matters is a mile wide but only an inch deep. I just think its an interesting comparision.
Ok, I see what you meant. (Sorry for the short post.) |
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Etude
Acolyte
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Posted - 23 Jan 2003 : 02:28:59
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Originally posted by lowtech
They aren't necessarily from Earth, certain pantheons are based on real world mythologies (or theologies, the Indian Pantheon is based on Hindu gods-all the religions in DnD seem structured after aspects of Hinduism, actually). The origion of the Mulhorandi's and others is left open, so they can be from Earth if you want.
Sorry, I kind of forgot about this post and this board and was just recently reminded by something or other so I'm back.
My concerns weren’t with the actual Gods and Goddess of the Realms but of the origins of some of it's people (I should have made that clearer). But to repeat, the world that was partially quoted from this book does sound way to much like Earth to be ignored or to be delegated to some kind of relativity based status. I do ask that someone check these two books and quote the passage that I'm referring to if possible. I just double checked that we no longer have these books and was right so I can't do that from this end. |
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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2003 : 04:42:45
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| Has anyone besides me noticed that just about every deity in the Mulhorandi Pantheon is based on the Egyptian gods? They seem to have been directly copied. I'm just pointing out something interesting. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2003 : 09:10:30
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Originally posted by drummerboy465
Has anyone besides me noticed that just about every deity in the Mulhorandi Pantheon is based on the Egyptian gods? They seem to have been directly copied. I'm just pointing out something interesting.
I sure have and its one of the things I really dislike about the FR setting.... the blatant use of earth religion and cultures. I know that typical fantasy is based on mediaeval and dark age history of the earth, but I think the use of Egyptian\Aztec (Maztica) and such are going a little too far. Kara-Tur, Zakhara and the Hordelands are other blatant copies. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Jan 2003 : 09:46:40
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I agree up to a point. When I first found out about these copies I was disappointed as well.. However over time things have changed and the Mulhorandi Pantheon only superficially mimics the Egyptian pantheon. There is now too much Realms history to give the pantheon and Mulhorandi culture their own flavor.
I would expect similar evolution in the Hordelands and Kara-Tur (looking forward to the Unapproachable East supplement), though not well developed regions to date, there is enough Realms input to move these regions away from their Earth counterparts. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2003 : 20:26:50
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| have you reflected about the location of continents and countries. They are aloms a copy of earth. They could at least have spread them out a little bit. |
Sauro moki kara ochiro - Even monkeys falls from trees.
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2285 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2018 : 17:13:44
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Acolyte Etude,
Here are some sources...just shy of sixteen years later, haha.
"Concordance of Arcane Space”. Spelljammer: AD&D Adventures in Space (TSR, Inc.), p. 42.
Powers and Pantheons. (TSR, Inc), pp. 2, 94
The Grand History of the Realms. (Wizards of the Coast), p. 142
“"I Sing a Song by the Deep-Water Bay"”. In Kim Mohan ed. Dragon #211 (TSR, Inc.), p. 29.
The Bloodstone Lands. (TSR, Inc), p. 43
Elves of Evermeet. (TSR, Inc), pp. 77–83
Questions for Ed Greenwood (2016). Candlekeep Forum
The Throne of Bloodstone. (TSR, Inc), p. 30
Realmspace. (TSR, Inc), p. 52
I hope that helps, as I have a sneaking suspicion, as with "The Phoenix" of Calimshan, you were hanging on for the last sixteen years, awaiting that one email on this subject. haha
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Etude
Newbie here (to this board that is).
Quick question (something that's bothered me for a while): In one of the two Deities books, they mention something about the opening of portals from another world in some prior point in Toril's history where a migration of peoples took place. The reference is sort of vague but they give short descriptions about the civilizations from that world. They sounded a lot like Ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt, and the Celts. I wish I could give a more detailed quotation but my brother has discarded these resources so I can't any more specifics.
If I remember correctly again, the second Deities book also talks about the "Egyptian" portion of the Forgotten Realms and about their Gods and how they where shut out from their home world or something like that...
I apologize again for the vagueness but that's all I have left memory wise.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Sep 2018 : 17:45:35
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I'm not sure Etude will see your comment, cpthero2. Looking at the membership list, he's not visited us since his comments in this discussion.
It's not uncommon, when resurrecting older threads like this, to find that a lot of members have moved on since the discussion lapsed. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2285 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2018 : 19:45:52
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Good afternoon Master Rupert,
My apologies if I've erred in responding to the thread. I figured, even if some had moved on, that I would reactivate the thread for some potentially interesting dialogue. 
Would you like me to abstain from a particular age of posts and older?
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm not sure Etude will see your comment, cpthero2. Looking at the membership list, he's not visited us since his comments in this discussion.
It's not uncommon, when resurrecting older threads like this, to find that a lot of members have moved on since the discussion lapsed.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2018 : 20:39:14
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| There's nothing wrong with responding to older threads; it's just that in a lot of cases, people have moved on... And if a discussion isn't current, there likely isn't a need for the information, any more -- or the same topic has been addressed more recently. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2285 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2018 : 05:07:24
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Master Rupert,
Sounds good. I appreciate your vigilance regarding the site: it's what keeps this treasure trove going, and going well.
Is the notion of reinvigorating these topics in the hopes of generating interest in older items of discussion for newers/younger 5e folk an approach that is ok with the etiquette of the site? I don't want to ruffle any feathers, and at the same time, I'd love to start these older conversations back up again a bit to hopefully get some of that younger audience tuning in.
Best regards as always!
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's nothing wrong with responding to older threads; it's just that in a lot of cases, people have moved on... And if a discussion isn't current, there likely isn't a need for the information, any more -- or the same topic has been addressed more recently.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2018 : 03:18:34
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| We don't prohibit dragging up older discussions... But if a topic hasn't been addressed in more than 10 years, there's likely a reason for that. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Sep 2018 : 04:39:02
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Master Rupert,
I appreciate that. I truly do. I am really finding these discussions great, especially since I've had a lot of responses, and great ones at that...many of which of course include your masterful self as a loremaster.
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
We don't prohibit dragging up older discussions... But if a topic hasn't been addressed in more than 10 years, there's likely a reason for that.
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