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Kentinal
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  17:55:29  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm, it was considered very dangerious for a Gold to try the sword, not forbiden, all Gold that tried when first offered died. Thee is no mention of Green elves directly, however they were summoned to the Elven Court as well. Perhaps even a Sea Elf or more attended, though less likely, and recieved a blade. The Sea Elves were not involved in the Crown Wars that I recall and tend to be more concerned about the seas rather then land matters.

For Gold and Black the moonblades are considered the most dangerious to take up. It might be posible that a good Black or Gold has a moonblade after all these years, clearly it seems meet that some Green recieved them from the Elven Court as the Green and the Silver allied together against the Black and then the Gold.

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Kajehase
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  19:06:31  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by khorne

quote:
Originally posted by warlockco

quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
"Recently, Elaith was struck by a poisoned blade while recovering an elven artifact from the Knights of the Shield. As he lay dying, his thoughts turned to his infant daughter Azariah and what would happen to her after he died. This unselfish turn of thought caused his moonblade's power to awaken, healing him. He stores the moonblade in a safe place until his daughter is ready to claim it, and while he is still ruthless and evil, he avoids situations in which he might get killed, preferring to hire adventurers to do his dirty work."



Too bad she is a Sun Elf and thus will die when she tries to claim the blade.
Since by Canon, every Moonblade wielder has been a Moon Elf.

There is an exception to everything.



Yeah, this one is called Arilyn Moonblade

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Dungeon Moron
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  20:13:53  Show Profile Send Dungeon Moron a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the replies everyone, but my question still remains unanswered.
How is it possible if no Elf can wield Two moonblades, that Lamruil carries one blade and is the bladeheir to Arylin's?
What will happen when Arylin comes to die and her sword is brought to him?

Edited by - Dungeon Moron on 17 Jan 2006 20:16:21
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Mask
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  20:15:30  Show Profile  Visit Mask's Homepage Send Mask a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ehm, if I remember correctly (although I havenīt read Thornhold and Dreamspheres, so please donīt reply if this is explained in these two books) Elaith is a Moon Elf, right? Or did I miss something? So how can his daughter be a Sun Elf??? Even if she has a Sun Elf mother, wouldnīt she be at least half Moon Elf? I mean, so is Arilyn and she wields a Moonblade.

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Kentinal
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  20:28:01  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dungeon Moron

Thanks for the replies everyone, but my question still remains unanswered.
How is it possible if no Elf can wield Two moonblades, that Lamruil carries one blade and is the bladeheir to Arylin's?
What will happen when Arylin comes to die and her sword is brought to him?



We have no idea, the best answer appears to be one will stay dorment, more likely the new sword. As there does appear to be soul barrowing, the empowered sword would most likely stay empowered. Other option of course appears to be first sword goes dormant and second sword might awaken or might not.

There are other options as well just appear unlikely based on presented lore.
Perhaps the two blades will collect and share the soul and bot be empowered.
Perhaps the blade will never be delivered to Lamruil (he might even die first for some reason).

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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Kentinal
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  20:42:13  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mask

Ehm, if I remember correctly (although I havenīt read Thornhold and Dreamspheres, so please donīt reply if this is explained in these two books) Elaith is a Moon Elf, right? Or did I miss something? So how can his daughter be a Sun Elf??? Even if she has a Sun Elf mother, wouldnīt she be at least half Moon Elf? I mean, so is Arilyn and she wields a Moonblade.



EC clearly says he is a moon/Silver elf http://www.elainecunningham.com/elaith_craulnober.htm so indeed his daughter would have moon elf blood.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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Kajehase
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  20:56:25  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, the point is that all elf-children breed true, so there are no half-sun/half-moon elves. In other words, a child to a moon-elf father, and a sun-elf mother will either be a moon-elf or a sun-elf, not a half-half-elf.

(Say half-half-elf out loud five times without laughing)

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Dungeon Moron
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  20:58:18  Show Profile Send Dungeon Moron a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
We have no idea, the best answer appears to be one will stay dorment, more likely the new sword. As there does appear to be soul barrowing, the empowered sword would most likely stay empowered. Other option of course appears to be first sword goes dormant and second sword might awaken or might not.

There are other options as well just appear unlikely based on presented lore.
Perhaps the two blades will collect and share the soul and bot be empowered.
Perhaps the blade will never be delivered to Lamruil (he might even die first for some reason).



Thanks, mayhaps this question can be answered by Elaine, if this does not spoil any future stories?
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Kajehase
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  20:58:47  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Furthermore, as for Arilyn wielding a moonblade, Elaine said this a while back:

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originally posted by Elaine Cunningham on the "Ask Elaine Cunningham" thread

I see your point, of course, but there are reasons why Arilyn, a half elf of moon elf heritage, inherited a moonblade.

Throughout the Songs & Swords books, it is made very clear that Arilyn's sword is seriously FUBAR. It was dismantled after Princess Amnestria's union with a human resulted in two things: the creation of the elfgate, with disastrous results, and the conception of a half-elf child. In fact, Arilyn's conception and the creation of a new power for the moonblade were simultaneous events, and Queen Amlaruil never ceased to hold this against Arilyn. After King Zaor's assassination, a bitterly grieving Amlaruil decreed that the moonstone--a gem that acts as a conduit for magic--be removed from the sword's hilt and put into the keeping of Bran Skorlsun, Amnestria's human lover. The primary purpose of this was to weaken the gate between the mainland and Evermeet enough that it could be obscured and protected, but it was also a punishment--it effectively kept Bran away from Amnestria, who still carried the moonblade.

But tampering with an artifact is never a good idea--you can never been completely sure what the result will be. One of the unforseen results was the strengthening of the link between the sword and the child: Arilyn was linked with the moonblade long before she claimed it. Had the sword been whole, she could not have done so. This is never overtly stated, but the hints are there throughout the Songs & Swords books.

The misbehaving moonblade was a central plot point of ELFSHADOW, so it should come as no surprise that the sword was not exactly functioning as designed. The fact that Kymil Nimesin could further mess with the sword's magic makes it plain that its powers were seriously awry. Also, Arilyn relates to Danilo an incident from her youth, when she raised the moonblade against a young gold elf tormenter. The sword turned on her, which she took to be evidence that the moonblade would not allow itself to be raised against an innocent person. That gold elf's subsequent actions, however, made it plain that he was not an innocent. (Big hint to readers, there.) The moonblade was restored at the end of ELFSONG, and when we next see Arilyn, in SILVER SHADOWS, she temporarily returns the moonblade to a previous wielder. After that, (in the four-year interim between that book and the events of DREAM SPHERES) we are told that the sword became increasingly tempermental. Toward the end of DS, the sword turns on Arilyn and she was nearly fried. (Sound familiar?) She receives healing, but she's unable to wield the moonblade again during the final events of that story. It is assumed that the sword is defective--it is, after all, a tampered-with artifact--but it's also possible that the converse is true: the sword is slowly returning to its original state, and is functioning as it was designed to. What that means for Arilyn is a topic for another story, should such come about.

Now, stepping away from the overall series arc for a moment to consider the moonblade's role in ELFSHADOW. Giving Arilyn a moonblade was meant to emphasize and amplify the usual half-elf's dilemna of being neither fish nor fowl. Arilyn was daughter of moon elf royalty, the only part-blooded elf ever to wield a moonblade, yet most elves wouldn't give her the time of day. She is in a unique position, and that molded her into an extremely solitary person.

This point is undercut--nay, nearly obliterated--if every good-aligned gold elf, forest elf, drow, or half orc paladin of Sune with a heart of gold and tusks to match* is able to carry a moonblade.

Moonblades have become so popular and so common I half expect to see hand-written signs in the taverns of Waterdeep's Dock Ward to the effect of, "Good fish-scaling knife wanted. Will trade for moonblade."

But, it is what it is. Though the expansion of moonblades in game products does undercut the purpose of the moonblades as I originally envisioned them, I am keenly aware that it would be churlish to complain overmuch that ANY addition to FR lore that I've been priviledged to make has become "too popular." I'm just happy people want to read these stories, and incorporate some aspects of them into their home campaigns.



*Elaith's musings, taking from "Games of Chance," DRAGON #335


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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 :  21:13:12  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dungeon Moron

Thanks for the replies everyone, but my question still remains unanswered.
How is it possible if no Elf can wield Two moonblades, that Lamruil carries one blade and is the bladeheir to Arylin's?
What will happen when Arylin comes to die and her sword is brought to him?



Being bladeheir doesn't mean anything, in this case. As long as he doesn't attempt to draw the blade -- which is a choice -- nothing will happen. He could then pass the blade on to his heirs.

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warlockco
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dungeon Moron

Thanks for the replies everyone, but my question still remains unanswered.
How is it possible if no Elf can wield Two moonblades, that Lamruil carries one blade and is the bladeheir to Arylin's?
What will happen when Arylin comes to die and her sword is brought to him?



Being bladeheir doesn't mean anything, in this case. As long as he doesn't attempt to draw the blade -- which is a choice -- nothing will happen. He could then pass the blade on to his heirs.



Yep.

Also Lamruil isn't carrying a Moonblade, the Kingblade is still in the hands of his mother.

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Diffan
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So I know the Baldur's Gate video games aren't canon but the books are. With that said, Xan was an actual character who unfortunately died (quite miserably I might add) in the novel. The game mentions him wielding a Moonblade but the book doesn't say one way or another.

So here's my question: Would it be plausible that he was wielding a Moonblade in the book (he did wield a longsword) and that his next of kin is the rightful owner to that weapon? Also the stats in BG state that he got a +1 to AC and resistance to fire in addition to being a +3 weapon. If I were to stat it out, what else should I put into the blade? I'm aware of the rules in the Magic of Faerûn supplement on creating them but I'd like some additional ideas.
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TBeholder
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Originally posted by Kajehase

In other words, a child to a moon-elf father, and a sun-elf mother will either be a moon-elf or a sun-elf, not a half-half-elf.

While also a legitimate member of the clan. Yup.
The thing is, there are a lot of fringe cases, and anomalous states (like moonblade is already bound to someone who normally could not undergo such binding).
Did anyone say ALL those were foreseen and resolved in-universe by the creators of the enchantment in question?
But if we do not assume that High Mages trying to cheat their way out of a problem did it perfectly (rather than finding an ingenious way to screw up on amazing scale, like they did so many times) - the correct questions are not "what exactly is the Ideal Solution to this or that particular case" and "why such and such isn't it", but simply "how the enchantment-as-implemented will react to a particular input combination".

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