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Starshade
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Posted - 02 Dec 2018 :  11:46:08  Show Profile Send Starshade a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
As I understand, the Nether scrolls were written in a lab now under the Grandfather tree, by 3 different species, avians, repilians and aquatic progenitor race in an 'secret organization'. Is there published sources why they did this? Seems for me the likely reasons is for their own use (rebuilding?) or to make the humans and elven civilisations destroy themselves.


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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 02 Dec 2018 :  12:29:47  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ask George for his article on Jergal, it will answer all your questions. Also i dont think they were written beneath the grandfather tree, merely stored there I believe.

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Wooly Rupert
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It was a class project that got a little out of hand.

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Barastir
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

It was a class project that got a little out of hand.




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Starshade
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Posted - 04 Dec 2018 :  22:39:23  Show Profile Send Starshade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

It was a class project that got a little out of hand.


Actually not a bad suggestion, though funny.
The Jergal article I read some time ago, on the Wayback Machine (atm the web archive is broken...). I liked it.
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sleyvas
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I'd venture to say it would be no different than say a group of dwarves, elves, humans, tieflings, and dragonborn mages all getting together to discuss/study/share magical theories. Its just that during that time, the races that were in power were those mentioned.

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Thraskir Skimper
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Posted - 08 Dec 2018 :  07:55:56  Show Profile Send Thraskir Skimper a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not so much written as accessible. More like a tablet collection of a spell library.

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The Masked Mage
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I never really liked the idea that they worked together. I prefer the idea that someone gathered the magic lore of the different species. It makes much more sense.
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Ayrik
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I always envisioned the Nether Scrolls as being somewhat analogous to wiki sites and hyperlinks, allowing the reader to move from focus to focus through basically "endless" pages of categorized magical knowledge.

The Nether Scrolls seem to be anchored to the Weave - they apparently always reform themselves somewhere in the Realms whenever they're lost or destroyed - so maybe they're related constructs. Mystryl predates the Scrolls which in turn might predate the Weave, they might have essentially defined all the "rules" which even allow magic to exist. I wonder if the Scrolls spontaneously change, edit, or update their contents whenever a new Mystra and a new edition of magic rules comes out ... likewise I wonder if they might contain self-contradicting, nonsensical, random, brilliant, or insane arcana during magically volatile Mystra-to-Mystra interregna. (Then again, there's no reason for Nether Scrolls to retcon themselves, reference sources for obsolete arcane lore are still always useful. Except this begs the question of why all future rules of magic wouldn't also exist in the same body of work, or at least why nobody - including Mystra, Azuth, Oghma, Cyric, and other deities - has ever consulted this future-relevant lore.)

I note that some Nether Scrolls were "lost" even before the fall of Netheril and have not (yet) been accounted for, while duplicates of a few others are known to have been (re)created by Mystra as gifts for Larloch.

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dazzlerdal
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The way I understand events is that the spellweavers created the basis for the weave so as to provide that weave to the sarrukh and have the sarrukh use it to destroy themselves.

The spellweavers sent a number of agents among the sarrukh to form the secret society known as the baetith. The baetith crafted a copy of the nether scrolls which acts as a weave anchor (thus spreading the power and area of the weave) and allowed the sarrukh to add all their magical works into the weave.

The sarrukh eliminated themselves and then the batrachi took it's place. The batrachi discovered remnants of the baetith and refunded the society anew. They created a new set of nether scrolls (expanding the weave once more) and catalogued their magical knowledge into it.

Then the aearee came along and repeated the cycle, finding remnants of the Old baetith and refounding a new society, crafting a new set of scrolls and expanding the weave and adding their own magical knowledge to the weave.

At this point I think the weave got away from the spellweavers. It was intended to destroy powerful civilisations by overloading them with less risky/costly magic and it continued to do so as long as an empire had direct access to the scrolls. But other lesser civilisations began to hear of the weave and use the magic stored within but without direct access to the nether scrolls they could not achieve the heights of magical power that would undoubtedly destroy them.

Instead of destroying rival civilisations, the weave has allowed most minor human civilisations to grow and survive using the weave but not abusing it.

Just my two cents.

I also don't hold with the idea that mystryl existed before the weave because that idea is based upon myth and legend and as I treat all sources through the unreliable narrator I assume they are easily misinterpreted (as happens so often with myth and legend in real life)

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