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Dargoth
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Posted - 25 Nov 2018 :  08:02:25  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
So at the moment Wizards are play Testing Naval adventures rules with their Unearthed Arcana article

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/unearthed-arcana/ships-and-sea

and then theres this from D&D minis line..

"The Falling Star Sailing ship"

https://shop.goodgames.com.au/miniatures/pre-painted/dungeons-and-dragons/preorder-d-d-icons-of-the-realms-the-falling-star-sailing-ship-jan-2019-rrp-350.html

Sea of Fallen Stars Source Book or Adventure incoming in 2019?

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Edited by - Dargoth on 25 Nov 2018 08:03:25

dazzlerdal
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Well if that is their next sourcebooks they are competing against one of the best sourcebooks made during the Steven Schend period. It turned a very underdeveloped region into one of the most detailed in a single awesome book packed with shipwrecks, lost magic, ancient enemies, and plenty of tie ins to existing lore.

However given wotc recent run of books this will be a generic trope of kidnapped by generic pirates and sailing the generic high seas battling generic monsters and dodging generic naval warships before battling the generic pirate admiral in a generic pirate base, but it will have some realmsian names so that makes it okay for FR.

Oh dear, I appear to have ranted again. Did I mention the word generic enough to give an overall likely atmosphere for the book based upon all previous books produced for this edition

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Wooly Rupert
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Yes, you've ranted again, and you mentioned the word generic oft enough to make it clear that you've not touched any of the 5E books but are willing to pass judgement on them anyway.

The 5E FR books have certainly not had the amount of lore we could wish for, but they've not been generic. There has been plenty of room for improvement, certainly, and they remain a little too willing to play fast and loose with prior canon... But these are all specific complaints from someone who has read the material -- not generic complaints from someone who won't touch it.

Myself, I expect that if they do revisit the Sea of Fallen Stars area, it'll be more of a revisit of the Pirates of the Fallen Stars sourcebook than the Sea of Fallen Stars one. As much as I love the latter and think it was one of the best products of the 2E period, there is the simple fact that more adventures are going to happen on the high seas, rather than below them.

I'd expect a chapter or two just on the coastal areas, one on the islands, one giving a broad overview and update of Myth Nantar and the surrounding areas, and the rest would be rules for seafaring characters, for ships, for combat on and between ships, and a section for going underwater. There would likely be an adventure, too, involving piracy and the PCs having to try to recover something and stumbling across a larger plot that will have them criss-crossing the sea before heading to Myth Nantar.

I wonder if Jorunhast is still around?

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George Krashos
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Posted - 25 Nov 2018 :  16:11:01  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very interesting.

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That ship mini is very cool, and I'd be inclined to get one, if it wasn't for the price.

Has WotC "previewed" upcoming book releases with minis before? I don't really pay much attention to the minis side of things...

I will say, though, that I'm glad WotC has gotten off the "you don't just need minis to play, you need OUR minis!" thing they had going for a while. Not only did I have an issue with the blatant "you have to give us more money!" thing, I thought it wasted page count, the way they tied minis usage into the adventures.

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Posted - 25 Nov 2018 :  19:29:05  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

That ship mini is very cool, and I'd be inclined to get one, if it wasn't for the price.

Has WotC "previewed" upcoming book releases with minis before? I don't really pay much attention to the minis side of things...

I will say, though, that I'm glad WotC has gotten off the "you don't just need minis to play, you need OUR minis!" thing they had going for a while. Not only did I have an issue with the blatant "you have to give us more money!" thing, I thought it wasted page count, the way they tied minis usage into the adventures.



Around 80% of the 5E era mini sets have been named after corresponding Modules/source books the latest one was Dragon heist the next one was Dungeon of the Mad Mage etc

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sleyvas
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that is beautiful... but $350?

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Dargoth
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Posted - 25 Nov 2018 :  21:25:34  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

that is beautiful... but $350?



Bear in mind that figure is in Australian Pesos so its got the Exchange rate and the "Australia Tax"

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moonbeast
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LOL Australian pesos.

I have mine pre-ordered for less than $199 American dinars. People need to shop around. I can count at least 5 online official distributors for Wizards of the Coast (D&D) products. At least a couple of them will pre-sale these things for way less than the MSRP. It's not a cheap product. But it's a gorgeous limited edition masterpiece item, I see it as a very good investment. I could always eBay it 10 years from now…. fetching possibly $1000. Hahaha.

Indeed, the name of the ship is indeed The Falling Star. But this is NOTHING NEW. Nor does it necessarily predict some kind of Sea of Fallen Stars book in the near future. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if they published a Sea of Fallen Stars campaign book for 5E.

This fabled named ship was actually from an old WotC product, I believe it was one of the published tactical maps inside a sourcebook from either 3rd or 4th Edition. And the official ship deckplan/map had been illustrated by Mike Schley, Mike is one of the official cartographers (map illustrators) for D&D. See the IMAGE LINK (Mike's illustration) as I post it below:

https://pro2-bar-s3-cdn-cf2.myportfolio.com/b6995f0dd8973d41d32271aa7bc4c60a/32b21954e89c6fea43ba18ad_rw_1920.jpg

https://mikeschley.com/isometric-cutaway-maps
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Nov 2018 :  23:44:15  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

That ship mini is very cool, and I'd be inclined to get one, if it wasn't for the price.

Has WotC "previewed" upcoming book releases with minis before? I don't really pay much attention to the minis side of things...

I will say, though, that I'm glad WotC has gotten off the "you don't just need minis to play, you need OUR minis!" thing they had going for a while. Not only did I have an issue with the blatant "you have to give us more money!" thing, I thought it wasted page count, the way they tied minis usage into the adventures.



Around 80% of the 5E era mini sets have been named after corresponding Modules/source books the latest one was Dragon heist the next one was Dungeon of the Mad Mage etc



Yes, but were those actually "preview" names? As in, the name of the mini sets were released before any info about a corresponding module or sourcebook?

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Has WotC "previewed" upcoming book releases with minis before? I don't really pay much attention to the minis side of things...



Well I collect the 5th Edition minis…. so here's my take:

It's hard to say if WotC has "previewed" future book/adventure releases with the minis. It's chronologically convoluted. Why?

Because #1, WizKids is the licensee that makes the official D&D miniatures. And thus when and on which schedule WizKids chooses to release their minis is up to WizKids, not really controlled by WotC.

And #2, WizKids D&D miniatures release have a tendency to be delayed. As in, they ship many months later than they were originally anticipated based on early teasers or rumors. So that right there means that the miniatures release is often "out-of-sync" with the release schedule for WotC's own adventure campaigns (e.g. Princes of the Apocalypse). The minis are modeled, painted and made in China, and the final boxed booster packs are shipped from China to the States. So that may explain some of the timing delays and logistical problems of getting the products ready for retail.

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