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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 06 Dec 2018 :  20:45:37  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So dates for Sahuagin.

656 DR, sahuagin send raiding parties over the Sharksbane Wall because of Merrow raiding them.

720 DR, sahuagin raise Myth Nantar

1018 DR, sahuagin battle Tchazzar in the Bay of Chessenta presumably.

1296 DR, sahuagin kills Prince Aldem of Eadraal.


So it looks like from 656 DR onwards sahuagin numbers and aggression are on the rise. The big question is why would sahuagin attack Mulhorand and steal magical artefacts (how would they even know they were there).

My initial thoughts are 922 DR or slightly earlier (920 DR Year of Great Riches in preparation for Thay's rebellion.) Thay has an agreement of sorts with the sahuagin so maybe the association dates back to this time. Thay did organize pirates to steal the Beacon of Light during the second invasion in 1280 DR so it is plausible that they try to steal powerful magic while the enemy is diverted or try to steal magic to weaken them before or during an invasion.

So 922 DR the sahuagin attempt to steal precious artefacts either for themselves (acting upon information from Thay), or on behalf of Thay for some payment they desire.




Next is a dragon stealing artefacts. Could have occurred at any time.
As mentioned before Gestaniius is important enough to get a writeup in Old Empires and is one of three vessels of tiamat, but otherwise has done nothing in 600 years except eat caravans and slaves and destroy villages, so perhaps I could use her and give her an event to beef up her history.

Gestaniius has been around for at least 600 years, presumably she was part of the blue dragon family in Raurin but left or was booted out for whatever reason (perhaps she was just tooo mean and aggressive).
I could have Gestaniius also attack Skuld at the same time as the sahuagin and carry off a number of artefacts (saves coming up with two dates). The dragon could be taking advantage of the war between Mulhorand and Thay (and the lighter defences in Skuld as a result) and perhaps avenging some imagined slight. I note the tomb of Horuseres II was built into the side of Dragonsword Mountains and Gestaniius lives in those mountains, Horuseres II died in 921 DR and so perhaps construction of the tomb started in late 921 DR and Gestaniius does not like human insects building on her territory.

So Thay starts a war in 922 DR, a number of Pharaohs go off to war and snuff it, and Gestaniius takes advantage of the war and plunders the Solarium (rip off the crystal top and climb inside). She steals a large portion of Ra's regalia while the sahuagin plunder a number of lesser artefacts, and the Mulhorandi are left with the dregs.


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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 06 Dec 2018 :  20:48:24  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And bizarrely 922 DR is the Year of Spouting Fish, fits a sahuagin attack kind of.

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 06 Dec 2018 :  20:58:09  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So the royal regalia on display in the solarium could be mostly replicas.

Also the vault in Neldorild belonging to the Church of Nephthys might be a good place to secretly store the remaining regalia.

I was thinking of the name Fasarwen Laran, meaning Gifts of the Gods.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 06 Dec 2018 :  22:31:05  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All looks good to me. Mind if I steal some of that?

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 07 Dec 2018 :  04:35:32  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Steal anything you like George, in fact I would be honoured to have my work stolen by yourself

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 07 Dec 2018 :  09:48:36  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, crown of Mulhorand. Scott Bennie has it as a helm of brilliance which I'm more than happy to keep. It has a distinct horned appearance (a typical circle with a horn pointing upwards on the left and right side of the crown).
Now the crown could be imaskari in origin but it can't be one of their stolen regalia because the imaskarcana are the regalia of imaskari and the crown imaskarcana has already been detailed and has a location.
It could still be imaskari in origin and belong to another artificer or could perhaps be an item that first spurred magic use among the imaskari (the early tribe found this helm and it's boost to intelligence inspired greater magic use).

Alternatively it could have another origin entirely. It could be a gift from the dwarves but the godkings were not kind to dwarves which would mean it was only constructed and became part of the regalia after -150 DR when the godkings departed mortal affairs. Might be problematic if old depictions of Ra have him wearing a similar crown.

It could be of turami origin but I've been wary of making them magically powerful as it doesn't fit.

So that leaves spellweaver. For the box of death I've already changed the horned lady symbol to actually be an alien looking head with antennae on the top (horns). It could have been an item found by the turami and taken by the mulhorandi later.
Why would the spellweavers make a helm of brilliance, well they have history of gifting powerful magic items to lesser races to try and make them destroy their own civilisations so the sarrukh can enslave them.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 07 Dec 2018 :  14:39:51  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When was this Crown of Mulhorand created/made the crown of Mulhorand? Before or after the death of Ra and the orcgate wars? Do we know? I would note that for "horn"/"bull" symbologies, the Untheric gods have a lot of bull symbolism (for instance, Ramman in much of our world lore is depicted as a bull, Gilgamesh faces a bull of heaven or somesuch, etc..), and I wouldn't be surprised if the Hordelands, Raumathar, the Shaar, and Narfell all might favor horns (as well as the dwarves of the Great Rift). Then of course, there's also Hathor, who is also symbolized with horns as a cow.

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 07 Dec 2018 :  14:59:44  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I will investigate the crown tonight when I'm at my sources. I don't think it has any detail at all beyond a throwaway indirect reference or two in old empires. Scott Bennie is the only concrete mention and I don't think that gives a date.

I steer clear of real world mythology generally as it doesn't correlate directly and is a loose inspiration at best. thus far I've found nothing in unther to indicate bull symbolism, i went with naked athleticism and the perfection of man symbology instead as that is what gilgeam likes in his writeup (one reason why I made field as his former concubine).

I think it's free reign creation for the crown. I'm tempted to go dwarf or turami (repurposed spellweaver) for thematic reasons as well as the fact there isn't much turami and dwarf influence on mulhorand and there should be more.


As a complete aside, anyone know what happened to markustay, he suddenly disappeared again.

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 07 Dec 2018 :  21:01:20  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Got to Halcaunt, noted he is treated as a political Pariah because he kept going on about the Cult of Set.

This says to me that people didn't believe the Cult of Set still existed (assumption is that they think it died out long ago).

For some reason Halcaunt fervently believes they do exist, enough to put his entire political career at risk.


I had already discovered Seti (not his original name) is masquerading as a merchant. I made up a caravan company (The Desert Winds) that Seti (before he became Incarnation of Set) used to try an find a route through Raurin to Durpar. His first expedition failed and he was captured by cultists of Set and accidentally consumed some of Set's blood and became the Incarnation of Set (by chance he also happened to be descended from Set and so wasn't killed by the ritual).

Seti uses his caravan company (the cult help it move caravans through Raurin to Durpar to make huge profits) to move people and information between cult cells.


So I figure Halcaunt was a wandering priest of Osiris who joined the first disastrous expedition of Seti and watched Seti wander into the desert and believes entirely that Seti should be dead. Hearing rumours of the Cult of Set once more, he comes to the conclusion that Seti the merchant is actually a follower of Set, but cant find any evidence no matter how hard he investigates. Soon his friends abandon him as he starts seeing plots of Set everywhere, the irony is of course that Seti is the leader of the Cult of Set that he is now re-establishing after it had died out centuries ago.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Dec 2018 :  00:17:07  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I will investigate the crown tonight when I'm at my sources. I don't think it has any detail at all beyond a throwaway indirect reference or two in old empires. Scott Bennie is the only concrete mention and I don't think that gives a date.

I steer clear of real world mythology generally as it doesn't correlate directly and is a loose inspiration at best. thus far I've found nothing in unther to indicate bull symbolism, i went with naked athleticism and the perfection of man symbology instead as that is what gilgeam likes in his writeup (one reason why I made field as his former concubine).

I think it's free reign creation for the crown. I'm tempted to go dwarf or turami (repurposed spellweaver) for thematic reasons as well as the fact there isn't much turami and dwarf influence on mulhorand and there should be more.


As a complete aside, anyone know what happened to markustay, he suddenly disappeared again.



Yeah, I miss Markustay too. Haven't seen him for several months.


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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Dec 2018 :  00:18:15  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I will investigate the crown tonight when I'm at my sources. I don't think it has any detail at all beyond a throwaway indirect reference or two in old empires. Scott Bennie is the only concrete mention and I don't think that gives a date.

I steer clear of real world mythology generally as it doesn't correlate directly and is a loose inspiration at best. thus far I've found nothing in unther to indicate bull symbolism, i went with naked athleticism and the perfection of man symbology instead as that is what gilgeam likes in his writeup (one reason why I made field as his former concubine).

I think it's free reign creation for the crown. I'm tempted to go dwarf or turami (repurposed spellweaver) for thematic reasons as well as the fact there isn't much turami and dwarf influence on mulhorand and there should be more.


As a complete aside, anyone know what happened to markustay, he suddenly disappeared again.



Yeah, I miss Markustay too. Haven't seen him for several months.


Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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George Krashos
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Posted - 08 Dec 2018 :  03:52:58  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal
As a complete aside, anyone know what happened to markustay, he suddenly disappeared again.



History shows that makrustay drifts in and out of the 'Keep and an online presence in general. He was helping me out on a project which he seemed eager to be a part of and then he ... wasn't. No biggie from my end as RL has a habit of getting in the way of this stuff. He'll no doubt turn up again in due course. Or not.

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dazzlerdal
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Added in rainbow birds (peacocks) that I noted were mentioned a few times but only once associated with mulhorand.

I gave them a rainbow like plumage when they do their dance, and this looking eight at it can be dazzled or even hypnotized.

Not knowing where they come from I picked Durpar and ulgarth originally and said they were brought to raurin by the imaskari and then moved to murghom and semphar.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Dec 2018 :  16:19:36  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Added in rainbow birds (peacocks) that I noted were mentioned a few times but only once associated with mulhorand.

I gave them a rainbow like plumage when they do their dance, and this looking eight at it can be dazzled or even hypnotized.




Remarkable bird, isn't in, squire? Lovely plumage!

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 12 Dec 2018 :  20:51:00  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm sure I recognize that sketch but I cant recall what its from.


On to my latest find. So Semkhrun was home to an oracle which was misused by the Masters of the Oracle to the point that they declared a rival to the throne of Mulhorand following the death of the godking. Mulhorand was not happy and raised Semkhrun to the ground. The city has been looted for centuries.


So there are several ways this can turn out. Either this raising of Semkhrun happened following the Orcgate Wars and the death of the actual godking Ra. Which means Semkhrun lasted only about 100 years before being destroyed.
Or alternatively the term "godking" just means pharaoh and shortly after the death of a pharaoh Semphar effectively rebelled from Mulhorand and declared a rival claimant to the throne. Semkhrun was then raised but it doesn't necessarily mean that Semphar was conquered by Mulhorand (it might have burned the city but could not complete the conquest).

-1500 DR Semphar conquered by Mulhorand.
-1048 DR I've got Semphar as becoming independent around the Orcgate Wars.
-202 DR It was conquered by the Kalmyks.
-120 DR it declares independence of the Kalmyks and gradually comes under the sway of Mulhorand again.
-39 DR Semphar rebels when the Havi tribe attack Murghom

and that's it for Semphar. So Semkhrun could have been destroyed between -1048 DR and -202 DR, or it could have been destroyed after -39 DR.
The text says that the godking died childless and so an idiot cousin under control of the Oracle was declared the rightful Pharaoh by the Oracle.
It would be easier and expected if this occurred sometime around Thay's rebellion. An awful lot of incarnations were slain and there were no suitable Horus-Re candidates for 7 years (an incarnation of Thoth was appointed instead).
So could it be that Semphar lured a relative of Ramenhorus II to Semphar (with promises of wealth and power etc) and declared him king. It might have been taken seriously enough by the political elite of Mulhorand for them to declare a regency (Thothibistep I as Pharaoh). Then Mulhorand marches on Semkhrun and raises the capital to the ground.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Remarkable bird, isn't in, squire? Lovely plumage!


Pining for the fjords, 'e is.


Dazzlerdal, if you're looking for another name for your rainbow bird, the 2E Menzo box (and the 4E Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue book as well) have the following note;

quote:
soar countless types of avians from the World Above, including many exotic species (among them the namesake peacock­like cathlyre)



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dazzlerdal
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Must be a hitchikers guide to the galaxy quote if it's about fjords.

As for the menzoberranzan name, it's a bit far away from mulhorand and I'm guessing the name must be rendered in the language of the drow. It is odd but cathlyre reminds me of dambrath for some reason (not at my sources so can't see why but I'm guessing since dambrath is a drow derived society it likely has some language mixing).
I've chosen a name at the moment derived from a mulhorandi lexicon someone was kind enough to lend me, I just mixed the words for sun and water, I'm not set on it but currently the name comes out as khaqoth.

Thank you for the suggestion though, I shall remember it when I do dambrath and need a name for them

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 12 Dec 2018 :  21:53:25  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I did just have a thought though, if I invert kha and qoth to be qothkha, it's phonetically similar to cathlyre. I could make it qothkhar and it's even more similar and could even be influenced by the drow name for the rainbow bird

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