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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 22 Jan 2017 :  13:43:19  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
A player of my group got SCAG and gave it to me (yey!), so we are doing transition to 5e at last (a project I started last year, but got paused by many reasons).

Now, I started as a DM in 4e, so I was one of those who used Nentir Vale as a starting point. I also borrowed a lot from the Realms for my homebrew world, but now we want to play in the Realms. I mostly used the 4e Neverwinter Campaing Setting, and so my Realmsian adventures were in Neverwinter. My players are reluctant to fully abandon the Nentir Vale, however, as they expended lot of time making it a decent home for at least three different parties. I also fused a lot of stuff of the NCS stuff with my personal take on the Nentir Vale, so my plan is to make the vale another region of the Sword Coast.

Here is my question: what place is the best spot to import the Vale on the Sword Coast?

Thanks in advance and sorry for any grammar error (still learning the language).

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Posted - 22 Jan 2017 :  14:53:29  Show Profile Send KanzenAU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Delimbiyr Vale seems like an appropriate spot. Could have Hammerfast being in the northern Graypeaks as a retaken hold of Ammarindar. It's plenty out of the way of the lore as well (mostly).

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I think this idea has been a pet projectof markustay for a while. If so im sure he'll be along soon to offer some advice

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Markustay
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Posted - 22 Jan 2017 :  20:15:56  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You're killing me here - I haven't dug-out my Misbegotten maps in a LONG time (all of them are on an older computer at this point). I'm going to have to upload TWO maps now, one on Photobucket (which I HATE using these days - it is awful and slows my comp. WAY down), and DeviantART (because I only use DA for 'original' works of mine, not paste-togethers of old maps, as I do on PB). I'm also going to have to open-up a third map in PS (a FRIA one) in order to get the scale correct, because those geniuses back in 1e/2e never foresaw a time when digital publishing would exist, and all those older maps (like The North) don't have scales on them (instead, they used the "1 inch = such-&-such" format).

Nentir on my Misbegotten Realms map

Canon Nentir map pasted into the canon North map

Read the notes for the map on the DeviantART page - Darkmoon Vale (PF) is also squeezed in there, along with lots of other oddities. The maps are sized precisely. You can see on that second one that with just a little bit of tweaking, you can even get roads and rivers to line-up, making it IDEAL.

I really need to do a conversion of this without all that 'mess' from my home campaign map. We'll see... its such a great fit, it really would be worth doing (and Nentir Vale WOULD make an excellent addition to The Realms). The mountains to the east are the only problem, and thats a minor thing (there ARE some canon mountains around there, and most of them can be turned into hills, which works just fine).

EDIT: The only real problem - beyond the geography 'fudging' - is in the history of that precise region. While it all works well with newer lore (around Loudwater, etc), it also happens to be the exact spot where Athalantar once was... where Elminster was born. So not such a big deal to a current campaign, but a bit of a big deal if someone was trying to also place Athalantar there in the past (on the other hand, a LOT of terrain could have changed in the past 1100 years, especially after a ToT, Spellplague, and Sundering 2.0).


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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 22 Jan 2017 :  22:03:57  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks, this is most helpful.

And, yeah, I guess I'll have to work hard to combine the lore of the region with the lore of the Nentir Vale.

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Markustay
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Have your players ever gone into the Harken Forest? The bigger section south of the White River? I'm looking at it now, and thats the only major snafu I am seeing.

I'm going to try and do a fast conversion, using the High Forest Map I made for Eric Boyd, but I don't want to do something that wouldn't work for you.


EDIT: Also, if you used (or would like to use) the Loudwater campaign that came in the 4e FRCG, then the placement becomes even more ideal.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 23 Jan 2017 :  02:35:20  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Never have used Loudwater. Read about it and the place is generic and boring. In a forum someone said Loudwater was so boring that townspeople applauded whenever monsters invaded the town (I do not remember which forum was, but I will always remember that phrase). My Realmsian adventures usually were centered in Neverwinter, because I really loved the Neverwinter Campaign Setting. That's why I was searching a spot near Neverwinter to place Nentir Vale, but the spot you got is too fitting to ignore.

As for the Harken Forest, yeah I've used it. Is the place were Reavers of Harkenwold (one of the best adventures ever created for 4e) took place, and one of the adventuring parties eventually became the rulers of the place. But I guess I can come up with something to justify its existence (ie. Spellplague or ToT).

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Markustay
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Posted - 23 Jan 2017 :  03:34:20  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There are hundreds of spots where Nentir Vale 'fits' in the Realms, because it is tiny compared to the whole setting. Its really not that far-off from the Neverwinter setting - a few days travel (maybe a Ride {10-day 'week'}). If you go by the novels, everyone in FR has 'super speed' (including the animals LOL), so its well within reason to just sweep that travel time under the rug.

As for my placement of NV, its the 'best overall', in how it fits the existing terrain. I can easily place some trees along the High Moor as well, to cover that bit of the Harken Forest along the southern edge. I just love how most of the roads and rivers matched up so well (and it looks pretty with some lakes in that area). Even the fork in the river worked out perfectly.

HOWEVER. it would fit nicely closer to Neverwinter - between the coast and Triboar - as well, and might be better suited for your campaign. THIS is what it would look like with a slight rotation (3.4).

Note that you lose the upper range of the Sword Mts. (no big deal), some of Neverwinter Woods (which could prove a big deal down the road), and Phandalin winds up in the middle of the Witchlight Fens, and since thats the 5e starter adventure, that could mess you up as well (and that AP is worth doing). Best solution for that is to just ignore the Witchlight Fens, and say its another name for the Mere of Dead Men, just to the SW there (and there is an old AP from Dragon Magazine set there that you may want to dig up). That river could just end at the mountains. The two roads that trail off to the east line-up pretty good going to those two settlements, and the forest to the north works out really well on the left side (the right side is messed-up, but you can just ignore that as well). That would be my solution to you for placing it as close to Neverwinter as possible, without ruffling too many (FR) feathers.

But thats the High Forest on the eastern edge of the map, so its not really all that far from where I was planning to place it to begin with.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 23 Jan 2017 :  05:05:56  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the suggestions. That place indeed is perfect for my campaign. And yes, the Witchlight Fens can be a local name for the Mere of Dead Men.

Can you name that AP you mention that takes place in the Mere of Dead Men?

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Markustay
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Posted - 23 Jan 2017 :  07:45:31  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
LOL -its the 'Mere of the Dead Men' series, that ran from Dungeon Magazines 69-73

Plenty of locales and cool lore to go with it (because IIRC, it was written by Eric Boyd).

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 23 Jan 2017 :  09:12:18  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I see. Those are the Paizo mags, aren't they? Wonder if they are still being sold online...

EDIT: I wanted to do a map like the ones Markustay does, but I don't have proficiency in Photoshop (?) and fumbled hard. So, I drew one with the pen tablet.

As for the locations, I moved Phandalin to the southern reaches of the Dawnforge Mountains, as part of one of the villages of the Barony of Harkenwold; fused the Witchlight Fens with the Mere of Dead Men; and tweaked the High Road so it could match the King's Road fork. Overall, I'm pretty happy with the map, but I don't mind if Markustay wants to improve it.

Here is the map. Save for Atwater (a homebrewed village), all the locations are canon.

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Markustay
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At that time the magazine was still TSR owned (but may have already gone-over to WotC, not sure). I believe they are 2e, so they'd take some converting, but each locale was a separate adventure, so they might be worth taking a look (there used to be a resource online with all the magazines for download, but thats long gone now). Just the fact that they were written by Eric Boyd means they are 'tight' (no inconsistencies and full of background lore).

I have to run up to the hospital right now (visiting - I didn't cut anything off LOL), so I'll take a look at your map later. I re-did that last mock-up I did for you, without the rotation, and got it perfectly placed now. I started over-laying all the different Neverwinter maps I have on it for locales (I have one last one left to do - the 4e one), and noticed some interesting coincidences - a couple of the sites from the FR maps align with Nentir Sites now (all ruins, too). I really like the way this is looking, so if your willing to give me a couple of days I could have something nifty for you.


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Markustay
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Hammerfast is... interesting. I recall how hard it was for me to place Nentir Vale down in Shaareach (before I gave up on that idea), simply because it was very difficult for me to justify that location.

Anywhere in The North is practically an impossibility (and I was only able to justify it in my preferred placement below The High Forest because of Luthic's Creche).

I'm starting to consider doing this as a DM's guild project, with a full write-up. I think I figured-out a way of make it all work (thank goodness for RAS's {bizarre} lore regarding Baffenburg setting a precedent), but its going to require someone with extensive knowledge of both settings to weave the two together.

ME.

As an aside, the ruins of Conyberry and the ruins of Fastormel wound-up practically on top of each other, and at first I had considered merging the two, but I think it would be niftier to keep them separate, so I nudged the two a bit apart on Lake Nen. Then I realized the placement of Conyberry didn't make a whole lot of sense in regards to its own (interesting) lore, and the nearby locale of Agatha's Lair (which gets some use in the 5e starter adventure). thus, I swapped the two around, which makes my eye twitch a bit, but this IS a conversion, and they were VERY close to begin with (about 8 miles apart), and the main consideration (for me) is that ALL lore/existing adventures remain intact. Connyberry needed to be more to the west and closer to the forest, so thats how I handled it. As for the rest... I'm getting kinda excited about it.

I did a different layout (source & mouth) of the Nentir River than you had, Zeromaru, which I really liked, but I had reversed the flow of the river... because I forgot about the waterfall. Thus, I went with yours (a river running through the swamp is kinda cool anyway, and I had it zig-zag past the 5 adventure locales in the Mere of the Dead Men). Good catch by you.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 24 Jan 2017 :  20:02:23  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I just followed the original Nerath map, in which the Nentir River goes all the way to the sea trough the Trollhaunt Warrens (the paragon adventure), that its also a swamp. But the potential for those adventuring places seems to be a good addition to the adaption.

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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Jan 2017 :  23:03:23  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That source - the tactical/encounter maps aren't bad, but the overland maps as just awful. I can't even get a feel for the region - not sure how to shoe-horn all of that in as well.

I have a nicer map of Nerath, and I just noticed something amusing - it shows the 'snowy wastes' at the top of the map, and the 'belt of hot lands' toward the bottom, as 95% of all fantasy maps do, but when you know how tiny Nentir Vale really is, and look at how they sized it on that map, you realize that the whole planet has to be smaller than Earth's moon. The entirety of the Nerath setting is about the size of FR's Heartlands.

Which makes it about the size of Ansalon (DL).

EDIT: I don't know who made that large overland 'map' (and I use that term VERY loosely), but they have a scale of only 5 miles... and then have FOUR colored bars beneath it. What the hell is that?

EDIT2: After re-sizing it, its even tiny compared to Nentir Vale itself - I can fit it all in the hills between the two sections of the Sword Mountains (without disturbing anything) with plenty of room to spare.

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KanzenAU
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I always wondered if that large Nerath map was an abstraction for the board game or not. IIRC, they did use pieces of it for their Nerath Dragon articles, so possibly they always intended the world to be like that... but I have the suspicion they stopped working on it as a setting before fully developing a proper world map, and just created one for the boardgame that they could also use in their articles.

Alternatively you could always say it was only a small section of the world, and either the snowy wastes or the belt of hot lands (or both) were magically created like the Anauroch. But I guess that's neither here nor there now...

Just chuck it on Osse! There, solved it for ya

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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Jan 2017 :  23:28:25  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I WAS trying to figure-out where to stick that map - the layout of it unto itself is pretty cool, but the names and complete lack of science is... ummm... a little mental. I 'may' decide to just use the outline somewhere - some 'vestigal memory' of a place-holder world that got formed during the century of turmoil (bits and pieces of various worlds that didn't have a 'home' and got orphaned in a pocket-dimension).

I have to admit, there was already PLENTY to do in that region (Neverwinter) if you combine all the 1e/2e/3e/4e/5e locales and adventures onto one map, but when you add the Nentir vale in there it just takes it to a whole 'nother level - you could run a complete campaign there for years and years and never run out of material. It becomes the equivalent of Paizo's Varisia, where half their AP's are set.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 25 Jan 2017 :  00:04:27  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, Nentir Vale on its own has enough material for many, many campaigns from lv 1 to max, without ever needing to leave the Vale. I presume Neverwinter is the same. Fusing the two regions would create a mega-sandbox region indeed.

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As I am doing this, I am noticing some mistakes on the 5e map - they have all the 'Ancestor Mounds' as settlements.

Tsk tsk

There's also two new ones I am unfamiliar with (probably something from the designer's home games) - Carnath Roadhouse (likely protected by a guy named 'Dawson' *sigh*), and Grudd Haug (which may be from one of the AP's). Anyone familiar with either of those?

There are probably more, but those are the only two 'unknowns' that fall-out on this map.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 26 Jan 2017 :  18:12:57  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks, really, for taking the time to help with this project.

I guess those places are from the new adventures, as they didn't existed in 4e Neverwinter.

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In Storm King's Thunder the Ancestor Mounds are being used a settlements by different tribes at the time. The Roadhouse in in Tyranny of Dragons, and Gudd Haug is the lair of The Hill Giant Queen/Chief lives from Storm King's Thunder...

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Markustay
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NP - I enjoy this kind of tinkering. Adaptions are more fun for me than normal maps.

Thanks for the info, Brimstone. In over 2000 years the barbarians NEVER settled around their ancestor mounds, but suddenly in 5e, they do. Neat - glad to know the new designers are up-to-snuff on their Realmslore {*sarcasm*}. On my maps they will remain with a different icon (shrine/holy site).

Question:
I had looked at some 5e maps (from an AP, I believe) awhile back, while doing some research. Apparently they really screwed-up the scale on some of the maps, and I had every intention of correcting all of that in my main mapping project; someone had come up with a good solution to the inconsistencies (possibly at Enworld or the Piazza?) Now, I can't seem to find any reference to those maps, and I don't even recall what adventures they were linked to. All I recall is that some of them were done by Mike Schley, and others by another artist (hence the discrepancies between the maps). Can anyone provide me with any info?

EDIT:
I found one - a Dessarin Valley map from 5e (from Princes of the Apocalypse). It irks me where I found it - I'll have to remember to buy it from Mike Schley as soon as I fix my credit card problem (went shopping yesterday and found the thing wasn't working, so now I have to call the company, which is always a nuisance, and takes forever). Remember to support your artists (and other 'creatives') people, because without them, there wouldn't be an FR. Piracy is only hurting ourselves in the long run. I've bought all of Mike's maps that weren't already available for free on the WotC site (and to offset even those, I purchased a litho from him when I met him in person).

EDIT2:
I think there are maybe two sites on that map I can fit on this one - most of them fall-off the bottom of the Neverwinter map. I have to wonder if stuff is purposely left-off certain maps, so that you can't just use one map for everything (I'm not just talking about dungens/encounters. I'm even talking about settlements). I have to reference six different maps for the Neverwinter region alone. Also, in 5e, they've dropped the whole concept of a 'players map' - they provide ONE (main) map in the APs, with all the encounters on them. .

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I was bugged by the way every single ancestor mound happened to have a giant's artifact in or under it.

A couple, that I could see. Every single one just happens to have something the giants need? Nope, that's pushing it.

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On the new 5e campaign map, everything just has a 'dot', which could mistakenly lead everyone to believe they are all settlements (like Gauntlgrym, or the Old Stone Bridge). Makes it easier for the cartographer, but very confusing for DMs and Players.

On more regional maps, they are still using the icon set I developed - and have NEVER been given credit for. I've even gone back to one of my original devices - having separate icons for 'actual ruin' and 'dungeon' (occupied ruin). Although every ruin is a potential encounter, I only use the 'dungeon' one for sites that have published adventures to go along with them (making it easier for a DM to find other published materials that they can use for their campaigns). I have a 3rd, rarely-used icon (mostly for truly ancient elven ruins), which means 'more like RW ruins' - maybe a few marble columns standing, and the outlines of some foundations, but thats it. Think 'ancient Greece' style ruins wen you see that one (which doesn't look like it will make an appearance on this map).

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The Ancestor Mounds is more like seasonal habitation.

I noticed that too with the "Giant Artifacts" stashed at those locations. Maybe it was WotC's way of detailing those sites only for PC's to plunder them during SKT. That might also be why those sites are inhabited, "it's a people, lets kill it"!!! Now that I think about it...

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Yeah, it appears they 'bent' the lore to wrap around the adventure, rather than the other way around. I don't have a problem with (giant) artifacts being buried there, so long as there was some good back-story that tied that into existing lore (buried by ancient dwarves/elves, and the local primitive human tribes were 'tasked' to watch over them, which after many centuries turned them into 'holy sites' - perfectly plausible). Did they bother to do anything like that?

And why are the tribes there? Thats just LAZY design. Isn't it easy-enough to say that the shamen of the tribes 'received visions' that "their ancient charge was in danger"? Thus, the tribes are hanging around the sites because of the plot, rather than just saying 'they live there now'. Just stupid, IMHO. Plus, IIRC, two sites were shared by tribes, and they made it a point to try and use them at different times (mostly). It would be really weird for different (migratory!) tribes to now be living together at these places.

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Originally posted by Brimstone

In Storm King's Thunder the Ancestor Mounds are being used a settlements by different tribes at the time. The Roadhouse in in Tyranny of Dragons, and Gudd Haug is the lair of The Hill Giant Queen/Chief lives from Storm King's Thunder...

so its NOT a settlement? As I said above, CONFUSING. Also, there's about a dozen (at least) large ranges of hills in The North, and they stick the lair of a HILL giant in one of the few 'open' areas on the map? REALLY? Okaaaaaay...

So what is the 'Roadhouse'? Was I right? Does a Patrick Swayze knock-off hang out there? Or is it just 'generic inn #4783'?

EDIT:
Now this is funny - I actually stuck hills THERE on my High Forest and Shining Vale maps I did for Eric Boyd. So when I get around to redrawing that region, I will have them there... but the 5e map I am referencing does NOT. So its like the adventure referenced one of my maps, but when they did the larger 5e 'SKT preview map', it was more based on published FR campaign maps, which did not have the hills. And I didn't make them up, BTW - they were there - we just lost them over the years. There's even a 'lost site' {"ruins") from the 1e maps that went there.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 27 Jan 2017 00:31:42
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