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Sylrae
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sfdragon
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 Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 09:45:45
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| only maps from that period might be in lost empires of faerun or the grand histry of the realms |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 12:31:46
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The only maps of the past in the published sources are from the Ol' Grey Box, the Anauroch sourcebook, Grand History of the Realms and Lost Empires of Faerun
-- George Krashos
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 13:34:32
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The only maps of the past in the published sources are from the Ol' Grey Box, the Anauroch sourcebook, Grand History of the Realms and Lost Empires of Faerun
-- George Krashos
And Netheril: (whatever the text was after the title) |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11716 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 13:36:03
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| Oh, and the Horde Boxed set did show how certain cultures moved (as pertains to Raumathar, etc...). I wouldn't call it a great map though. |
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KanzenAU
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Asharak
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 17:43:35
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| Netheril : Empire of Magic have maps during the height of its power and at the time of its fall. |
"Soyez réalistes : demandez l'impossible"
Sorry for my English... it's not my native tongue. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 18:24:53
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None of which is accurate, BTW.
The coasts have changed a great deal, just in the past few centuries (read some of the entries in PftF and PftM), and many of the rivers have been diverted, lakes/seas have been created or have greatly increased in size (at least two of which from meteor {'tears'} strikes, at least one large body of water was obliterated, EVERY desert (outside of Maztica/Anchoromé) didn't exist in the past, etc, etc, etc...
And yet every single 'historic' map shows everything in the same place... imagine that. Except for forests - I guess they figured so long as they make the forests bigger its all good {sigh}.
And then there all those coastal cities that just up and walked to the new coast some 25-50 miles away in 4e... 
Some day I'll do the set of historic maps I've always dreamed of - ones that include every description from every source. Right after hell freezes over and pigs fly..  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 19:12:19
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And then there all those coastal cities that just up and walked to the new coast some 25-50 miles away in 4e...
A coastline that somehow appeared pretty much identical to the pre-4E maps, despite the drastic change in sea levels... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 20:01:29
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
And then there all those coastal cities that just up and walked to the new coast some 25-50 miles away in 4e...
A coastline that somehow appeared pretty much identical to the pre-4E maps, despite the drastic change in sea levels...
"Its magic"  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 20:56:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
And then there all those coastal cities that just up and walked to the new coast some 25-50 miles away in 4e...
A coastline that somehow appeared pretty much identical to the pre-4E maps, despite the drastic change in sea levels...
"Its magic"
Just like magic is the only possible explanation for how the sea level fell like 350 feet in the middle of the Sea of Fallen Stars, but only like 80 or 90 feet where the Sharksbane Wall was.
I also loved how there was no apparent effect on trade or weather from having a large chunk of the Sea suddenly cut off from the rest. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2017 : 00:22:29
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No, no, no Dazzler... you misunderstand.
Wooly and I are just espousing the genuinely amazing magical nature of the Realms themselves - its truly remarkable.
As an aside, I've been going back through PftF (and eventually PftM) finding every single geographic reference I can (and those books are LOADED with them), and it really is getting me in the mood to eventually do historic versions of my new maps, when they are finished. there are entire (small) kingdoms now buried beneath the waves, just off the Sword Coast.
I had done this years ago, with my physical copies of the books, but those notes are all long gone. On the upside, doing it with the digital copies makes it easier to take the notes (since I'm already sitting right in front of the computer). |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2017 : 01:36:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
And then there all those coastal cities that just up and walked to the new coast some 25-50 miles away in 4e...
A coastline that somehow appeared pretty much identical to the pre-4E maps, despite the drastic change in sea levels...
"Its magic"
Just like magic is the only possible explanation for how the sea level fell like 350 feet in the middle of the Sea of Fallen Stars, but only like 80 or 90 feet where the Sharksbane Wall was.
I also loved how there was no apparent effect on trade or weather from having a large chunk of the Sea suddenly cut off from the rest.
Actually it ROSE near the sharksbane wall didn't it. There's a huge divot in where the wizard's reach is. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2017 : 04:03:41
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Yes, and Candlekeep also ended-up 'off the coast', supposedly because of the sea-level rise.
Even though it is in a completely unconnected sea. 
But Ao finally came down off that dose of magic mushrooms he ate, and now the realms are back to normal... for the most part.
Thats why I am enjoying mapping again - there is something sensible TO map. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2017 : 05:13:41
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I also loved how there was no apparent effect on trade or weather from having a large chunk of the Sea suddenly cut off from the rest.
Actually it ROSE near the sharksbane wall didn't it. There's a huge divot in where the wizard's reach is.
Originally, the Sharksbane Wall was entirely underwater, with like 30 feet of open water over it. In 4E, the top of the Wall was 10 feet above water.
So, other than that one gap in the wall, one part of the Sea was entirely cut off from the other part, with no apparent effect on trade, and there was similarly no effect from the currents and migration patterns that would have been disrupted by this.
I think they did give a sentence about ships coming up to the Wall and transferring cargo to ships on the other side, but that requires coordination, a lot of work, at least rudimentary docking facilities, and means that ships on one side either had to have cargo or money to trade for what ships on the other side had.
Even perfectly planned, that still would have slowed trade down and affected prices of goods. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jan 2017 : 05:26:42
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hte cartographers were about as reliable as teh unreliable narrator....
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