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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 16 May 2016 : 21:22:29
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Originally posted by Irennan
Ikr, people were supposed to play the ''eat-it-all'' fans, and still buy everything WotC put out, no matter how it kept removing what they liked about the Realms and blowing stuff up.
If WotC chose a particular route, it's because their profits were not what they were expecting, not because people complained. They could care less about complaints that aren't backed by actually not buying the product, and if people don't buy, then it means that someone dropped the ball. Guess who?
In any case, they seem to be on a limited budget due to Hasbro not being satisfied with how 4e went.
What I'm saying is that the idea of having an RSE to end all RSE's A.K.A. the Spellplague was a horribly misguided idea and it caused most of the hardcore fans to flee the setting. So many people here have stated that they refused to ingest anything 4E because of it. So yes, 5E is on a short leash financially all because of 4E which got messed up because WoTC decided to listen to the fans.
But I dunno, maybe my thoughts and feelings are being clouded by my extreme sadness over the slow death of this setting. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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3286 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2016 : 21:33:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Brimstone
That is my big fear about the 5E Realms. Give WotC enough time and someone will get the bright idea to blow it up, yet again...
That would require actually doing something with the setting. 
Right. Then again it might be a good thing that WotC is leaving it alone... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2016 : 21:45:49
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| Yeah, they're leaving it along so much they're ending the novel line and having fans produce material because they don't want to anymore. I mean, I like the idea of the DMGuild, but... |
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Adhriva
Learned Scribe
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2016 : 22:11:54
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I mean, I like the idea of the DMGuild, but...
...but it opens the door for any evil-alugned bard to just skip along, merrily singing a jolly tune about how hero so-and-so has betrayed us all and had gotten involved in an elaborate plot to overthrow Corellon?
Tis the stuff nightmares are made of... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 16 May 2016 : 22:36:35
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Yeah, they're leaving it along so much they're ending the novel line and having fans produce material because they don't want to anymore. I mean, I like the idea of the DMGuild, but...
Unless you've got solid evidence that "they don't want to" produce material anymore, we really need to avoid saying things like that.
Comment all day long on things they have done, but don't make statements of their intent if you can't back them up.
Also, they've not ended the novel line -- it is just absolutely minimal, right now. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2016 : 22:54:43
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My apologies, Wooly. I guess it just feels that way. But you're right, I don't have solid evidence. Sorry, poor word choice.
I heard rumors they were going to end the novel line. Are they just rumors, then? I am getting mixed messages. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2016 : 23:07:02
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
My apologies, Wooly. I guess it just feels that way. But you're right, I don't have solid evidence. Sorry, poor word choice.
I heard rumors they were going to end the novel line. Are they just rumors, then? I am getting mixed messages.
They can't -- if Ed doesn't get to do a novel a year, the rights revert to him.
And there is no way WotC will ever discontinue publishing novels about some other rather popular characters. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2016 : 20:22:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
My apologies, Wooly. I guess it just feels that way. But you're right, I don't have solid evidence. Sorry, poor word choice.
I heard rumors they were going to end the novel line. Are they just rumors, then? I am getting mixed messages.
They can't -- if Ed doesn't get to do a novel a year, the rights revert to him.
And there is no way WotC will ever discontinue publishing novels about some other rather popular characters.
From what I've read in the magazine recently published by the EGG, the novel line seems to be coming to a halt. IIRC, Ed has to get to write at least 1 book per year, not necessarily a novel. Could his contributions through the DMGuild count? |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2016 : 20:24:30
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Originally posted by Caolin
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Originally posted by Irennan
Ikr, people were supposed to play the ''eat-it-all'' fans, and still buy everything WotC put out, no matter how it kept removing what they liked about the Realms and blowing stuff up.
If WotC chose a particular route, it's because their profits were not what they were expecting, not because people complained. They could care less about complaints that aren't backed by actually not buying the product, and if people don't buy, then it means that someone dropped the ball. Guess who?
In any case, they seem to be on a limited budget due to Hasbro not being satisfied with how 4e went.
What I'm saying is that the idea of having an RSE to end all RSE's A.K.A. the Spellplague was a horribly misguided idea and it caused most of the hardcore fans to flee the setting. So many people here have stated that they refused to ingest anything 4E because of it. So yes, 5E is on a short leash financially all because of 4E which got messed up because WoTC decided to listen to the fans.
But I dunno, maybe my thoughts and feelings are being clouded by my extreme sadness over the slow death of this setting.
I don't think that the Spellplague was meant to end all the RSEs, tbh. That was the Sundering.
If they had actually listened to the fans in 4e, they wouldn't have removed a lot of iconic characters/deities, they wouldn't have blown up places, and they wouldn't have done the 100 years jump. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2016 : 23:35:27
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What is EGG?
Besides EGG for the smart Alex's out there... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
Edited by - Brimstone on 17 May 2016 23:36:00 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2016 : 23:38:17
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2016 : 02:04:17
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Originally posted by Brimstone
What is EGG?
Besides EGG for the smart Alex's out there...
Or one of the fathers of Dungeons & Dragons, EGG also stands for E. Gary Gygax. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2016 : 15:29:15
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Originally posted by Irennan
Ed Greenwood Group
 Is this Ed Greenwood Group on Hatebook? |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2016 : 15:29:54
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Originally posted by Rymac
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
What is EGG?
Besides EGG for the smart Alex's out there...
Or one of the fathers of Dungeons & Dragons, EGG also stands for E. Gary Gygax.
That one is obvious! |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2016 : 15:33:14
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Originally posted by Brimstone
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan
Ed Greenwood Group
Is this Ed Greenwood Group on Hatebook?
It's his publishing company: http://onderlibrum.com/ |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2016 : 15:51:58
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Originally posted by Irennan
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Irennan
Ed Greenwood Group
Is this Ed Greenwood Group on Hatebook?
It's his publishing company: http://onderlibrum.com/
Ah, I see... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Direhammer
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 01 Jun 2016 : 18:07:33
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| Or you can just Dallas the heck out of it. You wake up one morning and pre ToT Faerun is waiting for you in the shower. I'm just going to rewind to 1357 and ignore everything produced after. |
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Clegane
Seeker
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 : 04:01:08
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Originally posted by Direhammer
Or you can just Dallas the heck out of it. You wake up one morning and pre ToT Faerun is waiting for you in the shower. I'm just going to rewind to 1357 and ignore everything produced after.
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Aug 2016 : 10:46:14
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Thanks for the update, Irennan.
I'm not sure I like the Ao re-booted the setting explanation, but it satisfies on some levels and is reasonably consistent with previous actions. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2016 : 14:56:07
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| You're welcome. I don't like the ''Ao did it'' explanation. IMO, at least all those events that had dedicated novels should have been reverted through another novel (or at least have a decent explanation. This includes the likes of the Avatar series, the Lady Penitent books, Empyrean Odyssey and so on). |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2016 : 16:31:57
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Originally posted by Direhammer
Or you can just Dallas the heck out of it. You wake up one morning and pre ToT Faerun is waiting for you in the shower. I'm just going to rewind to 1357 and ignore everything produced after.
I would cherry pick what I would like to keep from the future Realmslore. Just mash it all together in 1357. Or just go back even further, and really have some fun... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
Edited by - Brimstone on 15 Aug 2016 16:32:18 |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2016 : 17:44:51
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
Thanks for the update, Irennan.
I'm not sure I like the Ao re-booted the setting explanation, but it satisfies on some levels and is reasonably consistent with previous actions.
I agree. I wasn't too thrilled with the "Ao did it" explanation, either. It was literally a deus ex machina. I would have liked more detail, but at least the gods are back, even if certain events are brushed over. |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
317 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2016 : 14:47:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
All novel stuff, true, but it was referenced in source material.
Most of the big events of the Realms have been in novels.
I do miss the smaller tales -- it's part of the reason I always suggest Elaine Cunningham and Jeff Grubb/Kate Novak when someone asks about novels.
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BrianDavion
Seeker
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Posted - 22 Aug 2016 : 01:31:37
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
Thanks for the update, Irennan.
I'm not sure I like the Ao re-booted the setting explanation, but it satisfies on some levels and is reasonably consistent with previous actions.
I agree. I wasn't too thrilled with the "Ao did it" explanation, either. It was literally a deus ex machina. I would have liked more detail, but at least the gods are back, even if certain events are brushed over.
in fairness given the sheer damage done by 4th edition a deus ex machina was proably needed. sides 4th edition was created with a DEM, so ending it with a DEM is at least consistant? |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2016 : 02:06:02
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| True. I don't mind Ao's involvement, it's the lack of detail I miss, like what was provided during the Time of Troubles. |
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