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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 17 Jan 2016 : 21:30:29
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Beast, can please break down this weapon's history and abilities for us? As well as the Quiver of Ehlonna(??). You are a victim of your own success. Your write up on Icingdeath was extremely well researched and put together. Thanks.
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Misanthorpe
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Jan 2016 : 21:43:06
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The quiver of Ehlonna was a standard magical item in 2E -- it was in the DMG (I don't have the page number handy; this was lifted from Core Rules CD):
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This appears to be a typical arrow container capable of holding about 20 arrows. It has an aura of alteration if magic is detected for, and examination shows that it has three distinct portions. The first and smallest one can contain up to 60 objects of the same general size and shape as long bow arrows. The second, slightly longer, compartment will hold up to 18 objects of the same general size and shape as a javelin. The third and longest portion of the case will contain as many as six objects of the same general size and shape as a bow—spears or staves, for example. Such a quiver is always found empty, but once the owner has filled it, he can command the quiver to produce any stored items he wishes each round.
I believe Ehlonna is a Greyhawk deity. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 17 Jan 2016 21:45:34 |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2016 : 21:50:15
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| Similar, but not quite the same as the Quiver of Anariel (??) or a Bottomless Quiver. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2016 : 22:19:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The quiver of Ehlonna was a standard magical item in 2E -- it was in the DMG (I don't have the page number handy; this was lifted from Core Rules CD):
I believe Ehlonna is a Greyhawk deity.
I don't remember where I saw or read it, but somewhere someone had suggested renaming the Quiver of Ehlonna to the Quiver of Mielikki if they didn't want the Greyhawk reference. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 17 Jan 2016 : 23:08:24
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I did that years ago when I added the magic items tables from FR4 The Magister to the existing ones in Unearthed Arcana. Quiver of Mielikki, Mystra's Mystical Manual (Boccob's Blessed Book), Shaundakaul's Handy Haversack, Elminster's Spoon, etc. etc. Ah the time I had on my hands back in the day!
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2016 : 01:27:02
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| Krash, were u just reskining old products? Major diss. Too often has that defined every edition since 2. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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Edited by - Fellfire on 18 Jan 2016 01:27:44 |
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
USA
297 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2016 : 03:41:52
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| Taulmaril the Heart Seeker is a force keen elven longbow. There was an article on the old WotC site. Her quiver was a Quiver of Anariel that could create alchemical silver arrows. I don't think either has much history. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6647 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2016 : 05:11:46
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Krash, were u just reskining old products? Major diss. Too often has that defined every edition since 2.
That was about 25 years ago, in a small Australian city with no prospect of ever talking about my hobby with anyone around the world. So I reskinned like a mofo ... 
They were pretty treasure tables though when I was done.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2016 : 05:25:48
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Originally posted by George Krashos
That was about 25 years ago, in a small Australian city with no prospect of ever talking about my hobby with anyone around the world. So I reskinned like a mofo ...
They were pretty treasure tables though when I was done.
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2016 : 23:03:12
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| Expound upon the force missile weapon property, please. There is naught to find in the SRD |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2016 : 23:15:14
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| Krash, no offence. You've gone from renaming D&D items to fit your campaign to an FR all-star. None can deny your brilliance, creativity and grasp of the Realms, as they should be. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
USA
297 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 02:56:59
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| The Force weapon property gives +1d6 force damage, and hits incorporeal targets. |
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
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522 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 07:27:21
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Hmm, there are gazillions of Magic Item and spell references to Greyhawk's Mordenkainen. If I play strictly in a Realms campaign…. does it make sense to rename all of them for the sake of setting accuracy?
And who is the Realms equivalent of the Great Mage Mordenkainen? Elminster?? I don't know a single official (DM's Guide) spell named after Elminster. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 07:53:49
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wizards, sorcerers etc plane travel. Khelben the younger left toril for oerth, who is to say that some wizard didn't bring a copy of spell Xfrom a colleague name Berk the mage that he met while in Sigil?
also in the 3.x spell compendium they did that, but all it really is too much work. no player really has to know that Bigby was a wizard of great renown was from oerth( aka greyhawk)
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why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 08:11:50
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ummm only because I don't know if the timer has ran out for the edit yet .
but if you look in the old arcane age, you can find FR names for the dmg spells.....
and I looked, elminster only has ever had 1 spell to his name.
though, I think he made more items than spells....( though those too are not listed other than his ever smoking pipe to my knowledge, I know there were some listed in one of the more recent elminster books...) |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 08:39:37
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Originally posted by sfdragon
wizards, sorcerers etc plane travel. Khelben the younger left toril for oerth, who is to say that some wizard didn't bring a copy of spell Xfrom a colleague name Berk the mage that he met while in Sigil?
also in the 3.x spell compendium they did that, but all it really is too much work. no player really has to know that Bigby was a wizard of great renown was from oerth( aka greyhawk)
Hmm, that's actually a good explanation. Now that I re-read about Mordenkainen, I now remember vaguely that he also was a great wizard that "travelled the worlds". Which I guess can explain why although he is a native of the World of Greyhawk, his magic and influence had easily leaked/introduced (centuries ago) onto the other worlds like Toril, etc.
OK, I'll buy that. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6647 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 09:48:25
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From the Forgotten Realms Adventures hardcover (p.44):
"Named spells are usually named for their creators. There are spells by Bigby, Mordenkainen and other characters who are not native to the Realms in the 2nd Edition lists. Given that travel to other planes is common among the higher level mages of the Realms, this should be expected. While it is suspected that Elminster has visited Oerth and Bigby has visited Toril, it is known that Mordenkainen and Vangerdahast both competed magically for the hand of a young extra-planar beauty (both lost, by the way)."
Also, see Ed's "The Wizards Three" articles in Dragon for more insight into the various D&D worlds coming together. Lots of crossover.
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 15:10:16
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and I looked, elminster only has ever had 1 spell to his name.
I've actually found two: Elminster's Effulgent Epuration and Elminster's Evasion. Don't know if there are more. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 18:07:26
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| If I was a world-hopping mage, and I found a spell on one world that wasn't known on my own world, I'd be happy to casually forget to mention to my colleagues that I didn't create it. It's not my fault they made an assumption and decided to name it after me... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 18:08:55
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Originally posted by Barastir
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Originally posted by sfdragon
and I looked, elminster only has ever had 1 spell to his name.
I've actually found two: Elminster's Effulgent Epuration and Elminster's Evasion. Don't know if there are more.
I would suspect that El has a lot of spells that he's created... But he's either not shared them, or he's shared them under or allowed other names to be applied to them. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 19:52:51
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Originally posted by sfdragon
wizards, sorcerers etc plane travel. Khelben the younger left toril for oerth,
...and Bigby has visited Toril.
We even know (from the lore on Khelben's Warding Whip) that either of those times Blackstaff ran into Bigby "not on the best of terms" (he got spanked?  ).
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Originally posted by sfdragon
and I looked, elminster only has ever had 1 spell to his name.
though, I think he made more items than spells....( though those too are not listed other than his ever smoking pipe to my knowledge, I know there were some listed in one of the more recent elminster books...)
At least 3: Elminster's Multiple Mouths, Elminster's Effulgent Epuration, Elminster's Evasion.
The part of it is that he tweaked existing ones a lot, and quite possibly has known, but not attributed ones - what's with secret scroll-seeding as a part of his job. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Jan 2016 : 21:45:20
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by sfdragon
wizards, sorcerers etc plane travel. Khelben the younger left toril for oerth,
...and Bigby has visited Toril.
We even know (from the lore on Khelben's Warding Whip) that either of those times Blackstaff ran into Bigby "not on the best of terms" (he got spanked? ).
My guess would be that their meeting wasn't exactly friendly, but wasn't necessarily hostile, either... Bigby, a very hands-on kind of guy (), tried to show off by casting all those spells with his name on them... And Khelben, as a kind of snarky reply, crafted an "anti-Bigby" spell. |
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2016 : 03:02:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Barastir
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Originally posted by sfdragon
and I looked, elminster only has ever had 1 spell to his name.
I've actually found two: Elminster's Effulgent Epuration and Elminster's Evasion. Don't know if there are more.
I would suspect that El has a lot of spells that he's created... But he's either not shared them, or he's shared them under or allowed other names to be applied to them.
I suspect too that Elminster, being Faerun's pre-eminent Mage Supremo, has created some spells of his own. But I also suspect that it's simply a metagame oversight that the WotC/TSR staff simply forgot to incorporate Elminstrian spells into current rulebooks. After all, Forgotten Realms (Elminster's home) has become the DOMINANT setting for how many years now? Since 3rd or 4th edition? It's definitely the DEFAULT supported setting as of 5th Edition. And yet they (WotC) keep forgetting to incorporate the magical influence of the Realms' most legendary mage. They sorta dropped the ball on this. |
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Jan 2016 : 10:21:05
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I don't think they dropped the ball.
First I think they kinda of leave Elminster alone and, you know let his creator deal with him...at least unofficially.
Second, be thankful they don't bother. It's not like your average writer could ever do an Elminster spell justice. Oh sure they could slap his name on a spell, ''Elminster's Awesome Fire Bolt'', but it will be super lame and do like 2d6 damage and have no other effects. |
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