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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
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 Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 06:48:36
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Do you think Ed Greenwood is happy with the current state of the Realms? I see all the mindless destruction of the Realms just for the "kewl" factor and I ask myself- "Is Ed Greenwood happy about the current state of the place and all the decisions so far?"
I remember hearing about Ed being excited about the new Realms but I'm still waiting to see this excitement. So far I'm only seeing things that just make me cringe to be honest.
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“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 09:45:09
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Ed is a generous soul and while the published Realms isn't exactly "his" Realms, he has taken and continues to take great joy in the fact that the Realms is now available to everyone. As he has said many times, the Realms now has the capacity to surprise him and he loves nothing better than to read realmslore that had been lovingly crafted by friends and fans. Is Ed happy? Of course he is. You only have to meet him to know what a wonderful, charismatic, caring and enthusiastic individual he is. He has shared the child of his imagination with the world through TSR/WotC - that fact makes him happy everyday.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
705 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 14:00:35
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Ed is a generous soul and while the published Realms isn't exactly "his" Realms, he has taken and continues to take great joy in the fact that the Realms is now available to everyone. As he has said many times, the Realms now has the capacity to surprise him and he loves nothing better than to read realmslore that had been lovingly crafted by friends and fans. Is Ed happy? Of course he is. You only have to meet him to know what a wonderful, charismatic, caring and enthusiastic individual he is. He has shared the child of his imagination with the world through TSR/WotC - that fact makes him happy everyday.
-- George Krashos
That sounds a lot like something you hear from your nana when you ask her how well you play football and she tells you she's happy no matter how well you play. |
“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 14:09:00
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
That sounds a lot like something you hear from your nana when you ask her how well you play football and she tells you she's happy no matter how well you play.
The fact remains though - nan is happy.
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Veritas
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 14:30:24
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Originally posted by George Krashos
.. the Realms now has the capacity to surprise him....
Boy will he be surprised to find out he's been wrong about Myth Drannor this entire time, that it was an empire of pure evil. Also he'll undoubtedly be surprised to learn that the Zhentarim were the "white hats" the entire time.
Just kidding of course. While Ed has outwardly displayed nearly endless patience with some of the directions TSR and WoTC have moved the Realms in, and he isn't the kind of guy to disparage other peoples' work, I really wonder what he'd say out of earshot with a few pints in him. |
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ZeshinX
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 14:58:01
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Just kidding of course. While Ed has outwardly displayed nearly endless patience with some of the directions TSR and WoTC have moved the Realms in, and he isn't the kind of guy to disparage other peoples' work, I really wonder what he'd say out of earshot with a few pints in him.
"Guysh...I really, really wanna shave thish beard...I hate thish thing...sherioushly...beardsh shuck...OOohh, yesh another beer shoundsh exshellent...*burp*..."
Something like that I'd wager.  |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 15:31:03
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
705 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 15:34:27
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“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 15:51:59
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| I wish he'd be allowed to write more novels set in the OGB era pre-Time of Troubles; it's canon and it's his version of the Realms more or less. Not that I loved the writing of the "Knights of Eveningstar" trilogy BUT I love that time setting so much! |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 16:11:51
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Originally posted by Seravin
I wish he'd be allowed to write more novels set in the OGB era pre-Time of Troubles; it's canon and it's his version of the Realms more or less. Not that I loved the writing of the "Knights of Eveningstar" trilogy BUT I love that time setting so much!
I wish we would get more novels set during different times as well. The mostly linear novel line could use some spicing up. |
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 18:30:20
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Yay, another recurrent thread to bash the Forgotten Realms.
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Gurgle Gobblespit
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 19:40:55
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Originally posted by Veritas
Just kidding of course. While Ed has outwardly displayed nearly endless patience with some of the directions TSR and WoTC have moved the Realms in, and he isn't the kind of guy to disparage other peoples' work, I really wonder what he'd say out of earshot with a few pints in him.
Sounds like a Plan. Let's all try to meet him at the next GenCon, then invite him into one of those GenCon-endorsed pubs across the street from the Con… and ply him with plenty of booze. |
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
705 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 19:47:15
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
Yay, another recurrent thread to bash the Forgotten Realms.
Well if the current Realms didn't suck so bad then we could talk about nice things. |
“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 19:52:43
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
Yay, another recurrent thread to bash the Forgotten Realms.
Well if the current Realms didn't suck so bad then we could talk about nice things.
Then keep your complaints in a single scroll instead of constantly making new ones with a slightly different spin just so you can regurgitate the same old whining.
It's annoying to come to candlekeep to check out new posts and see yet another one of your complaint topics. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 20:36:33
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I think the question about whether or not Ed is happy with the current state of the Realms is a valid one, and not one based on complaining. Ed created the Realms; of course he has a vested interest in the setting and what happens to it.
Like any of us, Ed undoubtedly likes some things better than others, and has his own thoughts on the current rate of publishing... Wanting to know what he thinks is not complaining, just like asking George Lucas what he thinks of Episode VII is not the same as saying that the prequels sucked.
I get that not everyone is happy with how things are going, and I get that there has been a lot of complaining in the past. But I also think we need to show a little more respect to each other, and not immediately jump on others for even a perception of negativity.  |
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
705 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 22:29:05
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| I just simply would like to know how happy Ed is with the current direction the Realms is going. When 5th edition was coming out, I remember seeing something about Ed being excited about what was going to happen with the Realms and I would like to know if that excitement still exists. |
“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2015 : 23:54:44
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Does it matter?
What difference would it really make, either way?
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 00:28:48
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Is he happy? I think not, can he do anything about it? NO!
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
705 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 00:29:31
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
Yay, another recurrent thread to bash the Forgotten Realms.
Well if the current Realms didn't suck so bad then we could talk about nice things.
Then keep your complaints in a single scroll instead of constantly making new ones with a slightly different spin just so you can regurgitate the same old whining.
It's annoying to come to candlekeep to check out new posts and see yet another one of your complaint topics.
How about you just don't click on them if you don't want to read them and for those who do just leave us to it.
You sound like one of those people who don't want more options because just the thought of them actually being there annoys you when all you have to do is just not buy them. |
“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 00:30:12
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Originally posted by Eltheron
Does it matter?
What difference would it really make, either way?
Actually it does. If it didn't then I wouldn't have made the thread. |
“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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deserk
Learned Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 00:33:36
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I think its like what others have said, he's too polite to criticize other peoples work on the Realms. But honestly I don't think this is the Realms we would getting get if he lead it. I think Mike Mearls and Chris Perkins are just turning Forgotten Realms into their generic D&D dump, stripping out what makes it unique from other settings, and dumping in elements that haven't had anything to do with the classic Realms, like Tiamat cultists and Elemental Evil stuff.
But then again it's hard to say what 5E Realms is, when there are virtually no sourcebooks (not adventure/module books) out for it.
Ideally I wish Paizo would be in charge of developing the Realms. They would undoubtedly make something new and interesting of it without compromising it's identity. That one Dragon Magazine article they made for the Hordelands for example, completely changed it's playability for me personally. Imagine what they could do the rest of the lackluster regions, that have barely been touched upon since the days of TSR. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 00:46:16
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Originally posted by deserk
(snip) and dumping in elements that haven't had anything to do with the classic Realms, like Tiamat cultists (snip)
Tiamat has had worshipers in the Realms dating back to 2E. Not sure how much more classic you can get. |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 08:20:14
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
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Originally posted by Eltheron
Does it matter?
What difference would it really make, either way?
Actually it does. If it didn't then I wouldn't have made the thread.
Sure, I get that Ed's opinion is important to you, but I'm just curious why.
I agree with you btw that the current metastory cheese stinks. I'm just curious what it would mean for you, one way or the other.
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 15:30:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think the question about whether or not Ed is happy with the current state of the Realms is a valid one, and not one based on complaining. Ed created the Realms; of course he has a vested interest in the setting and what happens to it.
Like any of us, Ed undoubtedly likes some things better than others, and has his own thoughts on the current rate of publishing...
Ed is a very nice man. That someone would start to check how far this can be abused... was a matter of time, really.  |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 22:52:38
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Originally posted by Eltheron
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
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Originally posted by Eltheron
Does it matter?
What difference would it really make, either way?
Actually it does. If it didn't then I wouldn't have made the thread.
Sure, I get that Ed's opinion is important to you, but I'm just curious why.
I agree with you btw that the current metastory cheese stinks. I'm just curious what it would mean for you, one way or the other.
Given how much value I've taken from Ed Greenwoods answers to fan questions, or books such as Elminster's Forgotten Realms... I honestly love the setting he created. I do not like what WotC did to it. Thus, I am actually curious as to what he thinks of all those changes as well. Why? Curiosity. Does one need more reason?
I am fairly certain though that even if he completely disliked it, he would not be at liberty to say so - or at least, WotC wouldn't like him to, even if it wasn't specifically forbidden. It's bad press if the creator of your flagship selling is telling people that said flagship setting now sucks in his own eyes, after all. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 22:53:16
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Originally posted by Gurgle Gobblespit
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Originally posted by Veritas
Just kidding of course. While Ed has outwardly displayed nearly endless patience with some of the directions TSR and WoTC have moved the Realms in, and he isn't the kind of guy to disparage other peoples' work, I really wonder what he'd say out of earshot with a few pints in him.
Sounds like a Plan. Let's all try to meet him at the next GenCon, then invite him into one of those GenCon-endorsed pubs across the street from the Con… and ply him with plenty of booze.
And wenches, don't forget the play pretties... |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 22:53:49
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Originally posted by Artemas Entreri
I doubt he's happy with how things have turned out, but he's too polite to say so.
This... |
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words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 23:07:46
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Originally posted by Darkheyr
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Originally posted by Eltheron
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
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Originally posted by Eltheron
Does it matter?
What difference would it really make, either way?
Actually it does. If it didn't then I wouldn't have made the thread.
Sure, I get that Ed's opinion is important to you, but I'm just curious why.
I agree with you btw that the current metastory cheese stinks. I'm just curious what it would mean for you, one way or the other.
Given how much value I've taken from Ed Greenwoods answers to fan questions, or books such as Elminster's Forgotten Realms... I honestly love the setting he created. I do not like what WotC did to it. Thus, I am actually curious as to what he thinks of all those changes as well. Why? Curiosity. Does one need more reason?
I am fairly certain though that even if he completely disliked it, he would not be at liberty to say so - or at least, WotC wouldn't like him to, even if it wasn't specifically forbidden. It's bad press if the creator of your flagship selling is telling people that said flagship setting now sucks in his own eyes, after all.
It's not even about Ed saying it sucks. If there are things about the current state of the Realms that Ed is not happy with, then I would like to know what those things are and how different he would have handled it. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2015 : 08:41:38
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| The metastory, thus far, has been pretty on-par for what generally comes out of the Forgotten Realms. I don't think its particularly bad or good, just meh. I'll hold further judgment until the next book comes out |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 18 Oct 2015 : 14:23:09
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Originally posted by Artemas Entreri
I doubt he's happy with how things have turned out, but he's too polite to say so.
There was a video I saw of the authors who wrote the Sundering Novels doing a Q&A where it was more or less acknowledged that alot of 4ed Content had been a mistake and that it handnt been popular with the fan base and that the Sundering would correct or remove some of those more unpopular features 4ed introduced
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2015 : 14:30:58
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Originally posted by Veritas
Boy will he be surprised to find out he's been wrong about Myth Drannor this entire time, that it was an empire of pure evil. Also he'll undoubtedly be surprised to learn that the Zhentarim were the "white hats" the entire time.
Seeing as how the Zhentarim seem to have thrown of the their ties to the Church of Cyric and Bane and their evil wizard overlord Id say the modern Zhentarim have "gone legit" Alignment wise there probably LN with some shady tendencies.
Given this if the Zhentarim where to tie themselves to another deitiy Id say Waukeen would be the best choice in the 5ed era.
It would actually make an interesting campaign where the characters worked for a cell of harper agents run by a corrupt leader who used the unknowing characters to do his dirty work to attack legitimate Zhentarim trade caravans.... |
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Do you think Ed is happy with the current state?
