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Baptor
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 Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 04:54:58
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
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Originally posted by Baptor
The reason I posted the blurb wasn't to say, "Here is 5e Realms sword sharpened and raring to go!" but to say, "Here they are starting to release up-to-date Realmslore, and I like the direction they are going so far."
This thread is very much appreciated by yours truly. 
You're welcome. I hope for the best, I really do.
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Originally posted by Delwa
Good find! I still hold that the "lack of material" isn't a problem. As evidence, I bring forth the Adventurer's League Player's Guide.. The last page links any prospective DM to the previous edition pdfs.
Whoa wait a minute, did you read what it said? It recommends the 3e FRCS as a "good general resource for the Forgotten Realms." It does say that its out of date by about 100 years, but it's at the top of the list as the go-to source for Realms info atm. The 4e guide is mentioned last and only as a resource for the Spellplague.
This is really good news folks. If they recommend the 3e FRCS as the best source of general Realms info, it means the 5e Realms will look more like 3e than 4e. They almost make me believe in them again. We will see.  |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 05:01:17
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| Didn't one of the hardback adventures name Laeral as a challenger to the Open Lord of Waterdeep? Another nugget of Realmslore there. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 13:27:07
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| She didn't just challenge him, she won! Neverember now only has temporal power in Neverwinter. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1268 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 14:13:37
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Originally posted by Baptor
Whoa wait a minute, did you read what it said? It recommends the 3e FRCS as a "good general resource for the Forgotten Realms." It does say that its out of date by about 100 years, but it's at the top of the list as the go-to source for Realms info atm. The 4e guide is mentioned last and only as a resource for the Spellplague.
This is really good news folks. If they recommend the 3e FRCS as the best source of general Realms info, it means the 5e Realms will look more like 3e than 4e. They almost make me believe in them again. We will see.
Yep. I saw that.  That's why I've been more optimistic about playing/running the Realms right now. The FR Wiki gives me a brief synopsis of most of the major 4E changes, so if my campaign is going to a specific area, I just check the wiki to see if 4E blew it up or changed who's in power and keep moving. 
And yes, Laeral is now Open Lord of Waterdeep. It's in the Rise of Tiamat adventure, but I'm not sure what page. |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 15:08:41
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Originally posted by Delwa
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Originally posted by Baptor
Whoa wait a minute, did you read what it said? It recommends the 3e FRCS as a "good general resource for the Forgotten Realms." It does say that its out of date by about 100 years, but it's at the top of the list as the go-to source for Realms info atm. The 4e guide is mentioned last and only as a resource for the Spellplague.
This is really good news folks. If they recommend the 3e FRCS as the best source of general Realms info, it means the 5e Realms will look more like 3e than 4e. They almost make me believe in them again. We will see.
Yep. I saw that. The FR Wiki gives me a brief synopsis of most of the major 4E changes, so if my campaign is going to a specific area, I just check the wiki to see if 4E blew it up or changed who's in power and keep moving.
When in doubt, just assume that 4E blew it up.  |
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Gary Dallison
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1268 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 15:28:31
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 True enough, but it's only nuked in certain regions. And retrofitting the 5E details into the 3E setting is what I've been doing myself. When I have updated material I like, I slide it in. When I don't, I generally just take the same mayor/lord/inkeeper's personality and change the name and make him the descendant of the 3E guy.
Funny enough, in my current campaign, travelling from Waterdeep to Llorkh, (they are planning on taking the Black Road across Anauroch) the area hasn't changed too much. A few of the smaller cities are gone, but that makes sense for a 100 year time gap. Small towns rise and fall. The major locations - Secomber, Loudwater, etc are still there. There's been a few changes of power, but nothing that just doesn't make sense as leaders who are human generally don't live 100 + years. I'm keeping The Smiling Satyr, just because I have some fun planned that fits that location.
Now, don't get me started on Halruua, Lurien, or any of the more Southern regions.... 
Which... might explain why most of the adventures published lately have stayed on the Sword Coast and Moonsea. Just looking at the 4E map, they were least touched, geographically speaking. They might be staying to those regions, not solely because nostalgia and such, but because they are deciding how to patch up the more nuked regions. Hmmm.... |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1150 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 15:38:25
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I dunno - 5e has kind of nuked Phlan. The Lord Protector is dead, there was the threat of a full scale street war, then Tyranthraxus came back as a stone giant and now an evil dragon sits on the throne.
Of course, Phlan is used to getting nuked. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1268 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 15:44:43
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Aye, I wouldn't call that "nuked", though. Nuked to me is a rift in the middle of the city of Neverwinter. Filling that in would take a world of explanation. It can be hand waved and filled in, but that's still going to have a major impact on the geography and the people's perception of the location. I know I wouldn't want to start building on what might be a filled in sinkhole waiting to drop out from under me again.
In the case of Phlan, as far as I have read (which is about as much as you've posted) the location is still there, habitable, and rulers are easily replaced. War might turn some buildings to rubble, but as long as the land itself is still safe, people will rebuild. It is a war zone, but that's current events, not "this entire region is gone."
Edit: and, like you said, Phlan is kinda used to getting the short end of the stick. Makes for a hearty people that won't give a rift about invading armies. |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
Edited by - Delwa on 12 Mar 2015 15:48:00 |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 15:54:40
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Yeah, should have put more emphasis on the 'kind of'.
It's made very clear however that any PCs active in Phlan shouldn't be powerful enough to be taking on a dragon like the one now ruling the city and that trying to would be suicide. This, I believe, is just a poor plot device to shepherd players toward Mulmaster so they can take part in the Elemental Evil expeditions. It does mean though, that there is currently no hope for Phlan. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1268 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 15:56:40
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So... even 5E has plot armor. I'd guess that's a +30 to AC and immunity to all conditions and damage types?
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- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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Demzer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 22:03:02
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Originally posted by Delwa
While it is obvious that water and earth genasi are descended from dao and marids, there's not a record of dao and marids ruling in the regions specified like there is in Calimshan.
Yeah because **** the Dao Delvings and the Marid States, right?
And no, it's not for you Delwa, it's for whoever didn't do his/her homework properly. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 22:14:36
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Originally posted by Demzer
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Originally posted by Delwa
While it is obvious that water and earth genasi are descended from dao and marids, there's not a record of dao and marids ruling in the regions specified like there is in Calimshan.
Yeah because **** the Dao Delvings and the Marid States, right?
And no, it's not for you Delwa, it's for whoever didn't do his/her homework properly.
I wouldn't necessarily jump to that conclusion. It's possible (and maybe even likely) that the author was unaware of that, but I took this block of description to be written from an in-world perspective. That is, everyone has at least hear rumor that the fire and air genasi are descended from Calishites. Just look at current events that Baptor listed, it makes sense that most people who've heard of Calimshan would know a few rumors of the Genasi lineage tied to that region. It's what's trending on the Realms version of Facebook. It's not as common knowledge that other empires existed. (I honestly didn't realize that until you just commented.) We as Realms fans are likely only aware of those empires because we read and study histories. |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 22:20:02
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| That's one thing I hope we get more of: in-world views and perspectives, and less overarching/all-seeing viewpoints. History is suppressed and forgotten in the Realms, and that should be reflected in Realms writing, just as readers should be sophisticated enough to pick up on it. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 22:33:31
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
That's one thing I hope we get more of: in-world views and perspectives, and less overarching/all-seeing viewpoints. History is suppressed and forgotten in the Realms, and that should be reflected in Realms writing, just as readers should be sophisticated enough to pick up on it.
I do hope for more of that kind of writing. I like being able to hand my PC's a list of "this is what your character is aware of by default" things rather than going, "ok, you know what's written in that paragraph, that sentence," etc and having to filter the knowledge myself. It's one of the things I noticed in some of the 4E products I did like. I forget the source, but I saw several tables with Knowledge checks listed by DC. If you rolled a 10, you knew this, a 15 revealed a little more, and so on. Being able to read that helps me think like a person who lives in the Realms. Sure, I can figure that out myself, there might be stuff that I think should be more common knowledge than the authors do, or less so, and I'll happily hash that out on my own, but if they continue doing that work for me, I'm not going to complain.
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- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 22:39:47
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
That's one thing I hope we get more of: in-world views and perspectives, and less overarching/all-seeing viewpoints. History is suppressed and forgotten in the Realms, and that should be reflected in Realms writing, just as readers should be sophisticated enough to pick up on it.
IMO suppressing info doesn't make sense, though. You are purchasing a FR book because you want to know about the setting, not because you want to read that history has been forgotten. People will do the latter in their campaign, in-character.
A table of knowledge check DCs (or progressive depths of knowledge, or soemthing along those lines) -as Delwa suggests- to provide an in-characters PoV would be fine, as long as all the lore gets told to the reader in the book, split among the various results.
But seriously, I wouldn't purchase a book just to get vague info under the pretense of ''mystery'', because most people in world wouldn't know... |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 22:46:22
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Originally posted by Irennan
IMO suppressing info doesn't make sense, though. You are purchasing a FR book because you want to know about the setting, not because you want to read that history has been forgotten. People will do the latter in their campaign, in-character.
A table of knowledge check DCs (or progressive depths of knowledge, or soemthing along those lines) -as Delwa suggests- to provide an in-characters PoV would be fine, as long as all the lore gets told to the reader in the book, split among the various results.
But seriously, I wouldn't purchase a book just to get little info under the pretense of ''mystery'', because most people in world wouldn't know...
A whole book, no, I agree. I want that blend of "DM/hidden info" and "PC Knowledge." I'd like it to be separated out for me if possible, but I do want both. I don't think that suppression is what Jeremy is asking for. What we are reading here with the genasi is a description of the race so a PC can understand the race and decide if they want to play them. It's just the race descriptions that would be in the PHB.
If this were a "for the DM/hidden lore" description, I'd definitely share your sentiment. As DM, I should have access to the hidden histories, the secrets of forgotten legends, etc. But as a Player (and this is the Player's Guide) I don't need that information. |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Mar 2015 : 22:55:17
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Originally posted by Delwa
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Originally posted by Irennan
IMO suppressing info doesn't make sense, though. You are purchasing a FR book because you want to know about the setting, not because you want to read that history has been forgotten. People will do the latter in their campaign, in-character.
A table of knowledge check DCs (or progressive depths of knowledge, or soemthing along those lines) -as Delwa suggests- to provide an in-characters PoV would be fine, as long as all the lore gets told to the reader in the book, split among the various results.
But seriously, I wouldn't purchase a book just to get little info under the pretense of ''mystery'', because most people in world wouldn't know...
A whole book, no, I agree. I want that blend of "DM/hidden info" and "PC Knowledge." I'd like it to be separated out for me if possible, but I do want both. I don't think that suppression is what Jeremy is asking for. What we are reading here with the genasi is a description of the race so a PC can understand the race and decide if they want to play them. It's just the race descriptions that would be in the PHB.
If this were a "for the DM/hidden lore" description, I'd definitely share your sentiment. As DM, I should have access to the hidden histories, the secrets of forgotten legends, etc. But as a Player (and this is the Player's Guide) I don't need that information.
I see your point, those info should be contained in a CS or regional/themed sourcebook. |
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A nugget of Realmslore in new WOTC content.
