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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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 Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 00:38:44
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I'm not sure if it's just a typo, but in the old 2E Forgotten Realms Atlas the city of Sheirtalar is marked as a larger city such as Waterdeep or Calimport.
Can anyone provide ANY information on this city? I looked on the Forgotten Realms wiki and they have practically nothing on the subject.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6647 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 00:56:17
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There is information on Sheirtalar in the "Serpent Kingdoms" sourcebook (pgs 101-102). There are also scattered references in published realmslore, chiefly in "Prayers from the Faithful" and "Pages from the Mages".
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1150 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 00:59:34
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Sheirtalar is the capitol of Lapaliiya and according to Serpent Kingdoms is a metropolis of 52,135 people.
The wiki is not exhaustive and Sheirtalar hasn't had a massive amount written about it. I encourage you to join us and add what you can. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 02:54:33
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| Thanks guys! At a population of 50,000 Sheirtalar is nowhere near as large as I thought it was. |
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Aldrick
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 03:12:14
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| It is also important to remember that population numbers vary widely between editions without rhyme or reason. Sometimes it happens dramatically without explanation. As a result, you should just view any huge population changes not described in the fluff as a retcon to reflect the new editions rules. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 12:15:24
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| If you think that Waterdeep itself had 10,000 inhabitants in 2e, expanded to 100,000 in 3e because it considered the surrounding area, 50,000 is considerable. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 13:21:33
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Originally posted by Barastir
If you think that Waterdeep itself had 10,000 inhabitants in 2e, expanded to 100,000 in 3e because it considered the surrounding area, 50,000 is considerable.
What source said that Waterdeep only had a population of 10,000 in 2E? That seems really low. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 13:23:01
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
Sheirtalar is the capitol of Lapaliiya and according to Serpent Kingdoms is a metropolis of 52,135 people.
The wiki is not exhaustive and Sheirtalar hasn't had a massive amount written about it. I encourage you to join us and add what you can.
Will do! Is there anything special about joining the wiki or can I simply just sign up and enter information whenever I get it? |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11701 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 14:02:02
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Originally posted by Barastir
If you think that Waterdeep itself had 10,000 inhabitants in 2e, expanded to 100,000 in 3e because it considered the surrounding area, 50,000 is considerable.
Just wondering, what source said that? Because in 1st edition, it was noted as around 100,000. I note this because the Thayan city of Bezantur and Waterdeep had very close populations (prior of course to Bezantur being hit by a tidal wave and later the population drop due to the rebellion). |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 19:05:19
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| Looks like the sourcebook The Shining South might have some info as well. |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 19:23:08
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Waterdeep has "over 100,000" in the 2e campaign setting, "rarely below 122,000" in the Waterdeep boxed set, and 132k in the city itself and 1.3 million in the region, in the 3e campaign book. I dunno what the 4e numbers are.
50,000 isn't all that small, really. It's similar to Hillsfar or Marsember, double the size of Elturel, 3 times the size of Arabel, or 4 Tilvertons.
I see the confusion though, in the FR Atlas. I think the wrong symbol might have been used for Sheirtalar, unless I/we missed something about huge waves of refugees going there for whatever reason. But Selgaunt, Saerloon, and Suzail all had populations over 100k in 2e, theoretically making them similar to Waterdeep, but they didn't get that symbol either.  |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 19:29:07
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Originally posted by xaeyruudh
Waterdeep has "over 100,000" in the 2e campaign setting, "rarely below 122,000" in the Waterdeep boxed set, and 132k in the city itself and 1.3 million in the region, in the 3e campaign book. I dunno what the 4e numbers are.
50,000 isn't all that small, really. It's similar to Hillsfar or Marsember, double the size of Elturel, 3 times the size of Arabel, or 4 Tilvertons.
That sounds more appropriate for Waterdeep's population.
Yeah 50K isn't small by any means, I just thought Sheirtalar had a much larger population based on how it's depicted in the 2E Forgotten Realms Atlas. |
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Edited by - Artemas Entreri on 09 Mar 2015 19:30:34 |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 19:46:49
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I see the confusion though, in the FR Atlas. I think the wrong symbol might have been used for Sheirtalar, unless I/we missed something about huge waves of refugees going there for whatever reason. But Selgaunt, Saerloon, and Suzail all had populations over 100k in 2e, theoretically making them similar to Waterdeep, but they didn't get that symbol either.
Probably just an error then. IIRC, only 5-6 cities got the "3 ring" treatment in the FR Atlas: Waterdeep, Calimport, Sheirtalar, and 2 or 3 cities in Kara Tur whose names I can't remember. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 19:52:36
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Originally posted by Artemas Entreri
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
Sheirtalar is the capitol of Lapaliiya and according to Serpent Kingdoms is a metropolis of 52,135 people.
The wiki is not exhaustive and Sheirtalar hasn't had a massive amount written about it. I encourage you to join us and add what you can.
Will do! Is there anything special about joining the wiki or can I simply just sign up and enter information whenever I get it?
You don't even need to sign up! You can edit anything you like straight away. I encourage you to sign up however, if only to dismiss most of the adverts. I feel it also aids in becoming part of our community.
We have some guidelines we'd appreciate you following for standards and legal purposes but you can contribute on any topic you like. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 20:08:14
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
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Originally posted by Artemas Entreri
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
Sheirtalar is the capitol of Lapaliiya and according to Serpent Kingdoms is a metropolis of 52,135 people.
The wiki is not exhaustive and Sheirtalar hasn't had a massive amount written about it. I encourage you to join us and add what you can.
Will do! Is there anything special about joining the wiki or can I simply just sign up and enter information whenever I get it?
You don't even need to sign up! You can edit anything you like straight away. I encourage you to sign up however, if only to dismiss most of the adverts. I feel it also aids in becoming part of our community.
We have some guidelines we'd appreciate you following for standards and legal purposes but you can contribute on any topic you like.
Will do! Thanks! |
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