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The Sage
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Posted - 13 Feb 2015 :  02:33:12  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ed: Just minor conspiracies to conceal from Asmodeus and other ruling archdevils (of the other layers of Hell) that various intruders from other planes have fallen into her hands, for short periods, until she can learn all she can from them, and follow up on such knowledge via her mortal worshippers on various other planes (in the Realms, the Cult of the Dragon) to try to gain all the magic she can before others find out about it and go looking.
My Lady Hooded One... could Ed provide some brief details on these minor conspiracies? I'm keenly interested in developing this angle further...

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The Sage
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Ed spent some time trying to get an official answer for you, and at length abandoned that attempt and spun his own.
Best news of the day, in my opinion.

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The Sage
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COLD STEEL SOLUTIONS
A short-lived adventurers-for-hire business that operated in several Inner Sea port cities, as bodyguards, "below the law" get-even forces for angry merchants and wealthy patrons of various other professions (including some temples), Cold Steel Solutions lasted only a summer and a half before being ambushed and slaughtered by assassins with poisoned blades, hired by someone the Cold Steelers had been hired to target. Only two members survived that ambush - - because they both managed to recover from the poison, which is veldruth or "black rose," a purple-black tincture of the petals of a wild ground shrub of the Vilhon whose flowers resemble tiny roses.
You know, this lot sounds suspiciously like it could easily slip into my next BATTLETECH campaign. Definitely something for the Periphery worlds, I think.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 13 Feb 2015 :  02:55:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Sage, I can share with you one of the "minor conspiracies" that I happen to know a little bit about from playing in the "home" Realms campaign.
It concerns the Arcane Brotherhood, some members of whom came across in old wizards' grimoires (not spellbooks, but the diary-like writings of names and power words and hints and details of incantations and magical lore that their writers assembled, as their lives unfolded) mentions of gems that stored many spells, that had been hidden on Avernus by fleeing Imaskari renegades, who did not survive to return and reclaim their own.
The Brotherhood mounted a "snatch and grab" expedition that went disastrously wrong, falling into the hands of Nergal - - but within the borders of Tiamat's realm. She bargained with him: his life, and a half-share of whatever magic she gained, for yielding up the intruders to her, AND fomenting trouble elsewhere in Avernus (confounding devil commanders of an army Asmodeus had sent, as part of the ongoing Blood War) to distract the Supreme's attention from what Tiamat was up to, which was magically interrogating the Brotherhood mages and then sending them back to Faerūn to fetch magic for her, and yield it up to her. She kept her end of the bargain, but the magic gained was paltry, and Nergal demanded use of her magical hold on one Brotherhood wizard - - to see through his eyes, and learn as much as possible about the Realms, for later use. Tiamat gave in to that demand, judging Nergal's future potential usefulness worth it.
We Knights learned all of this from the Srinshee, after she broke the magical hold over the hapless Brotherhood mage, after we defeated him in battle. Torm was eager to summon Nergal to Faerūn so we could bargain with him in person, but the Srinshee put her foot down hard and loud against THAT (thank the gods!).

Ed will have to provide details of other conspiracies, although I happen to know he's very busy writing some Realms-related stuff right now that he won't (probably contractually can't) talk about. All I know is that what he was working on the last time I saw him involved a noble . . . and a carpet.
love,
THO

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Hello THO and Ed,

Ed, I was wondering if, in modern day Cormyr, there is a room, passage or other space in either the Royal Palace or the Royal Court where somebody is charged with singing a song on a daily basis?

I was also wondering if any of the undead in the Haunted Wing have been successfully quelled, or at least subdued, by song alone?

As ever, thank you both very much.

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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 13 Feb 2015 :  09:56:21  Show Profile  Visit hashimashadoo's Homepage  Click to see hashimashadoo's MSN Messenger address Send hashimashadoo a Private Message
Lady THO, please relay my thanks to Ed in regard to his tale of Tiamat. That issue had been bothering me for a good long time. I had attempted to write something myself but my solution smacked of shoehorning. It's a wonder WotC doesn't consult with Ed more - he can come up with a solution to just about any story-related issue.

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Arian Dynas
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Speaking of Gods in several places...

I really, really, really, really hate the idea that all Material Planes are their own cosmologies (in particular I hate this whole "celestial tree business") and wanted to know, since 5th edition is taking a more 2nd Ed chic, and considering the huge number of mentions that settings heretofore left by the wayside are receiving lately, is Spelljammer going to get a comeback? Will Realmspace be a thing again? I sincerely hope it does, because the Prime Material is an infinite plane as far as I am concerned, and I need my Crystal Spheres.
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 13 Feb 2015 :  12:12:01  Show Profile  Visit hashimashadoo's Homepage  Click to see hashimashadoo's MSN Messenger address Send hashimashadoo a Private Message
Speljamming and Realmspace never went away, they just had barely anything written about them in official sources. There was a 3rd edition adventure set on an illithid nautiloid though. Spelljammer as a campaign setting won't be coming back in a significant way if current trends keep up. 4th edition only mentioned spelljammers as methods to travel to other planes, not other planets.

Unless there is a massive fan outcry, I don't see much development here.

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Arian Dynas
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quote:
Originally posted by hashimashadoo

Speljamming and Realmspace never went away, they just had barely anything written about them in official sources. There was a 3rd edition adventure set on an illithid nautiloid though. Spelljammer as a campaign setting won't be coming back in a significant way if current trends keep up. 4th edition only mentioned spelljammers as methods to travel to other planes, not other planets.

Unless there is a massive fan outcry, I don't see much development here.



The former was the reason I was genuinely surprised to discover this whole "world tree" business a few weeks back. (Although it DOES make that whole Asmodeus ended the Blood War debacle a slightly less bitter pill to swallow.)

The latter makes me weep. Spelljammer was a suprelatively excellent way to tie all the various campaign settings together as far as I am concerned.
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Eli the Tanner
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Posted - 13 Feb 2015 :  14:08:08  Show Profile  Visit Eli the Tanner's Homepage Send Eli the Tanner a Private Message
Thank you Lady Hooded One and High Story-spinner Greenwood for those responses.
The forays and duties of Tiamat in Avernus have always intrigued me. I generally considered that she must have a lot going on in the lower planes, at least to keep her too busy to deal directly in Toril's affairs. Almost as busy as dearest Ed ;)

The little tidbit about Tiamat, Nergal and the Arcane Brotherhood is great. I love the broiling politics and power-games of the Nine Hells. I wonder what Ed's NDA skating will bring forth.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 13 Feb 2015 :  18:42:06  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Hello again, THO. Thanks as always for being our go-between; a number of the recent replies have been fascinating. But, as is often the case here, I'm going to meander off in a different direction.

I've always been fascinated and impressed by hand crafts. Book binding, pottery, carpentry, things like that. Recently I started thinking a bit about glass blowing. Partly, of course, because the process is just so beautiful. And after a bit of research, I come with a small host of questions.

Where are the current (1360's DR) centers of glass working? Where is the best sand? I've noticed there's a glazier in Shadowdale; where does he get his sand? Is his presence a fluke, or is it fairly common for small-but-crossroads places to have glass workers?

How much do the Big Four demihuman races work with glass? It seems very much an elf thing, only slightly less a gnome thing, and not at all a dwarf thing, but that's just stereotypes. Are there demihuman places, past or present, that were especially known for glassware?

And finally, in memory of all those great treasure tables you created for Dragon back in the day, if you were creating a couple pieces of non-magical glass treasure in the 1,000 gp or more range, what would they be?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 13 Feb 2015 :  23:14:08  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Great questions, Hoondatha, and off they go to Ed.
From my notes, I can go this far (quoting Ed verbatim here; he was writing about the Dalelands, Cormyr, and Sembia, but the wording suggests he meant it to apply more widely):

In general, because of the fragility of glass, glass is blown just about everywhere that isn't arctic, so your "fairly common" supposition is correct (some local glass is just terrible, that's all: cloudy/full of inclusions and bubbles, fragile, thick and ugly).

However, we'll see what Ed has to add to that admittedly paltry lore.
love,
THO
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Irennan
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Greetings Ed and THO.

Since today is Valentine's day, a thought crossed my mind. In Demihuman Deities it is said that ''Eilistraee is happiest when she looks on bards singing or composing, craftsmen at work, lovers, or acts of kindness'' (emphasis mine), so I was wondering if it would be reasonable for some of her followers to also worship her as a patroness of lovers, among the other things (I'm not suggesting that she has a love/lovers-related portfolio, simply that -due to her role- she is also sometimes revered as patroness of lovers).

The drow pantheon lacks such a deity probably because love is not an important part in Lolthites' life (and perhaps Vhaerunites' as well), it is taboo. However love is important to followers of Eilistraee and for the goddess herself, and IMO it's not a far fetched assumption that drow who leave their previous life behind could see in the Dark Dancer a protectress of such a feeling, which -as I see it- would play a huge role in helping the drow to change their perspective of the world and to find the happiness that they were denied.

It would also make thematically sense, not only because of Eilistraee's ideals, but also because of her role as mother-goddess of the drow people, deity of beauty and (according to Ed, AFAIK, correct me if that's wrong) also somewhat a goddess of female fertility (even if that aspect never made through TSR's censorship). Helping her children grow and flourish in a hostile world would definitely also include protecting and encouraging lovers, after all.

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Baltas
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Hello THO and Ed,

Ed, this had interested me for a time, how much did you create about Mulhorand, Unther and the Imaskari?. I heared that Mulhorand was originaly more like Stygia, and that Hoar/Assuran, was present in the Grey Box before Scott Bennie's Old Empires. Does this mean that Baelros(a fellow Southern god), had originaly a role in this region? And were the Imaskari(originaly known as the Raurin Empire), purely a creation of Scott Bennie(later developed into the Imaskari Empire by David "Zeb" Cook, and Eric L. Boyd), or did you create fundations for it?
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Hi Ed/THO (and Garen Thal who i will be prodding as well),

This is a question from me and Jeremy Grenemyer regarding the purple dragon Thauglorimorgorus .

First and foremost among the questions for me is what is the current status of the purple dragon. I realise history records him as being killed but i am wondering if that is the entire story.

Second, has Thauglor ever been involved with any tinkerings in the weave around Cormyr (like Embrurshaille in Thar). Sources indicate that the Obaskyr family are linked in some way to the weave and this may have been inherited (not in a genetic sense but perhaps through knowledge or manipulation) from the elves. Is this linkage and malleability of the weave in Cormyr in any way linked to Thauglor and have any other groups or peoples discovered and exploited this link (such as the Sword Heralds or Nalavaroth the Devil Dragon who Jeremy informs me could direct teleporting mages within Cormyr into her mouth).

Third, what is the legacy of Thauglor, does he have any children, does he survive in some fashion, where is his lair and has it been discovered yet, how did he shape Cormyr after its beginnings (when he allowed the realm to be settled) apart from the purple dragon imagery which i understand started with Prince/King Duar.

Basically any other nuggets of lore you have about the last of the dragon overlords would be brilliant.

Regards

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 16 Feb 2015 :  15:57:59  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message
Oops! I meant to say she could redirect already teleporting wizards away from their destination directly into her maw.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 16 Feb 2015 :  17:38:28  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all.
dazzerdal, great questions, and off they've gone to Ed. Here is what little I can say:

"First and foremost among the questions for me is what is the current status of the purple dragon. I realise history records him as being killed but i am wondering if that is the entire story."
THO: So far as I understand, this is still NDA.

"Second, has Thauglor ever been involved with any tinkerings in the weave around Cormyr (like Embrurshaille in Thar)."
THO: Yes.

"Sources indicate that the Obarskyr family are linked in some way to the Weave and this may have been inherited (not in a genetic sense but perhaps through knowledge or manipulation) from the elves. Is this linkage and malleability of the Weave in Cormyr in any way linked to Thauglor and have any other groups or peoples discovered and exploited this link (such as the Sword Heralds or Nalavaroth the Devil Dragon who Jeremy informs me could direct teleporting mages within Cormyr into her mouth). [Jeremy: "Oops! I meant to say she could redirect already teleporting wizards away from their destination directly into her maw."]"
THO: BIG NDA here. Beyond hints Ed has given me in the past that several individual dragons know some secrets of the Weave, and exploit them, and that this is the source of much "dragon magic" that doesn't fit the casting of known arcane magic spells.

"Third, what is the legacy of Thauglor, does he have any children, does he survive in some fashion, where is his lair and has it been discovered yet, how did he shape Cormyr after its beginnings (when he allowed the realm to be settled) apart from the purple dragon imagery which i understand started with Prince/King Duar."
THO: NDAs, yes, but I do know Thauglor had children. How many and their fates and/or present dispositions, I don't know - - but I can tell you that in the home Realms campaign, years ago, we encountered a beautiful human woman who escaped us in dragonshape (and so was a weredragon or song dragon or something else able to shapechange into a dragon and back) who used the name "Tharaela Blood-Of-Thauglor." And I'm afraid that's ALL I know about her, except that we Knights saw her watching us, just for an instant, years later.
And of course that means that Ed, as our DM, probably isn't going to say much more about this mysterious Tharaela.
However, when it comes to spilling about Thauglorimorgorus (who of course Ed created and named, though Jeff Grubb first brought him to life onstage in fiction, in CORMYR: A Novel; that is, Jeff wrote the first draft of the Thauglor scenes), we'll see . . .
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 16 Feb 2015 :  17:48:46  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, fellow scribes!
I just got an e-mail from Ed that contained a partial answer for Hoondatha, about this question: "And finally, in memory of all those great treasure tables you created for Dragon back in the day, if you were creating a couple pieces of non-magical glass treasure in the 1,000 gp or more range, what would they be?"

Ed saith:
I would probably go for blown glass altar lamps of designs specific for any faith, or the small locket-like reliquaries used to enclose the hair or nails of saints (who are rare in the Realms, remember; we're basically talking the faith of Ilmater here, though with more secrecy the churches of Loviatar, Lurue, and Sharess, too).
Yet the altar lamps - - either beautifully-shaped glass chimneys for candles, or transparent glass oil lamps that use wicks - - would be by far the more numerous and likely pieces. "Genuine" ones, that is, meaning those blown under the supervision of, and with the blessing of, priests, or by priests themselves, and marked to denote that, not "knockoffs" made to look like the real thing by someone else. (They would be a little more than a tenth the price of the genuines.)

And there you have it. Ed's on the job, as usual . . .
love,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Wonderful! Thank you both.

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Excellent stuff thank you (apart from the NDAs of course).

I'm wondering if Thauglor's giving up of his kingdom wasn't deliberate and his death could have been deliberate as well - on his part I mean (although maybe he hadn't expected It to happen just then and in that manner thanks to the Dracorage)

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Hello, a superbly quick question to sate my curiosity (and hopefully others):

Is/was Ed Greenwood in any way involved with the upcoming PC game "Sword Coast Legends"?
(Link: https://swordcoast.com/)

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 17 Feb 2015 :  14:55:05  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.

Caladan Brood, an answer to your question is almost certainly going to be NDA. For what it's worth, I would suspect Ed isn't and hasn't been involved, but I must stress that that's just my guess.

dazzerdal, you may well be on to something, re. Thauglor. (Ahem, hint, hint...)

And in regards to your second question (the one I answered with a bald "yes" because I've no idea until Ed and I talk how much I can share, let's just say that several of the Royal Magicians of Cormyr have come to believe that the dragons worked covertly with the Weave before both elves and humans were "allowed" to come into the area that is now Cormyr, possiby as something of an experiment. (The ability of certain dragons to work with the Weave akin to the way the veteran Chosen of Mystra do is one of the great unexplored areas of Realmslore - - and every time I nudge Ed to provide more, he smilingly directs me to his next novel, and his next, and his . . .
love to all,
THO
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TBeholder
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Originally posted by The Hooded One


Yet the altar lamps - - either beautifully-shaped glass chimneys for candles, or transparent glass oil lamps that use wicks - - would be by far the more numerous and likely pieces

Thanks! That's a fun tidbit of lore...

Speaking of lamps, could you please share something about old good driftglobes/glowing globes?
The available lore is fairly abundant, but patchy: there are mentions of globes bound to the owner for remote control or autonomous; inert, levitating or flying (follow-the-owner or programmed); with various degrees of brightness control; of a fixed color, at least typically. And there's Nchaser's Glowing Globe creating a non-motile bound version.
Beyond this, however... what even sizes they are?
Also, these things seems to be a subject of tinkering by many generations of wizards - what extra effects (whether defensive or utility) are known?

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The Hooded One
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Ah! Very good questions, TBeholder; off they go to Ed. Yes, there are lots of variants, because it's something wealthy people are always happy to pay a local provider for (some temples sell them as a steady source of income, and it's a "safe" source of income for many mages, who enchant pebbles to glow and levitate, glass spheres [which being fragile can get broken, so a buyer then has to purchase a replacement = more money for the wizard selling them). Most that I've heard Ed describe vary from the size of a small human head to about twice that size, but I recall a really large, impressive ovoid one that a noble had hanging in midair in a soaring-ceilinged hall.
More when Ed can provide...
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 18 Feb 2015 :  03:55:38  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And hello again, all.
Re. this, from Jeremy Grenemyer: "I was also wondering if any of the undead in the Haunted Wing have been successfully quelled, or at least subdued, by song alone?"

Ed just sent me an e-mail that included this answer for you:

Yes. Several of the "sad queens" (sad-eyed gliding court ladies, not actually queens or princesses, but the public gave them this nickname nonetheless) seem comforted by skilled harping of the style popular several centuries back, and will smile and nod and withdraw. And there are at least two minstrels among the ghosts, who can be driven away in rage by bad playing, or playing certain loud and uptempo modern dances. Legend holds that playing just the right tune will make one of them your friend, guide, and nightly confidant (if, ahem, you consider that a reward), but no one seems to have yet hit upon just what that "right tune" is.

So saith Ed. Intriguing me greatly, as it sheds light on some events in the home Realms campaign from YEARS ago. Gods, what a mind the man has . . .
love,
THO
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