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Roseweave
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 Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 14:31:53
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We met an eternally 12 year old vampire, the GM kind of threw the character in because he knew my character was a sucker for sympathising with "The bad guys".
It's really sad he never got to grow up, so I'm wondering if there's any way to to cure this? Transferring the soul to a new body? I imagine it's probably more complicated than that or else a lot of Liches wouldn't be Liches in the first place.
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Gary Dallison
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 15:07:54
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| There's a spell in the 2e sourcebook Elves of Evermeet that restores the undead to life and makes them 10 years younger than they were before they became undead. |
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Roseweave
Learned Scribe
Ireland
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 15:22:34
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 16:22:30
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Originally posted by Roseweave
It's really sad he never got to grow up, so I'm wondering if there's any way to to cure this? Transferring the soul to a new body? I imagine it's probably more complicated than that or else a lot of Liches wouldn't be Liches in the first place.
Actually... We don't have a process for jumping into a new body in the published Realms that I know of, but I am similarly unaware of anything that says it's not doable. We do know it has happened; Minder, from the long-ago Forgotten Realms comic, was the soul of a dwarf in the body of a iron golem. We have at least one Wyrm of the North experimenting with jumping bodies, and Ed has indicated that some of the surviving Netherese are not in their original bodies.
As for the prominence, in the Realms, of turning to undeath as a way to continue existence...
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
As for this comment, from Wooly Rupert: “I've always thought the deliberate embrace of undeath was a bit of an odd option for cheating death. One idea I've always preferred was for a mage to transfer his consciousness into a specially-prepared automaton. The end result (no longer worrying about death, aging, and other physical frailities) is the same, plus the automaton body would be more durable, nicer to look at, and wouldn't be physically rotting away. I know if I wanted to last a few more centuries, I'd choose an option where my fingers falling off wouldn't be a concern...”
. . . Ed has a response, as follows:
I see nothing at all wrong with your reasoning, Wooly, and although Newt Ewell specifically asked me to add a brief “drow biomech” section to the original (2nd Ed) DROW OF THE UNDERDARK, the “official but secret” design directives of the time were to avoid all “android and robot” flavouring in AD&D® because TSR was planning a robot roleplaying game, PROTON FIRE. Longtime DRAGON® readers may recall that it was featured in the back pages of just one issue of the magazine, as a preview; the game was “killed” on the very brink of its release by TSR’s upper management. So, just like de-emphasizing psionics in the Realms because they were to be a cornerstone of Dark Sun®, we were told to avoid mechanical/robotic/android/bionic elements for the AD&D® game. THAT’S why the embrace of undeath rather than the “build your own new body.”
As for the alternative “clone or birth your own new body and then move into it” approach, THAT ran afoul of the internal Code of Ethics, TSR wanting to avoid further trouble with the religious Moral Majority stances of the day. For years - - as various Realms NPCs have aged - - I have flirted and toyed in my Realms fiction with exploring the ethical choices they make about how to prolong life (for those who wish to do so). I plan, editors willing, to do more of that in future fiction.
So saith Ed. Illuminating the design backrooms of the Realms and D&D® for us all.
love,
THO
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 16:43:00
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so he'd be 2 aha
Yep but your PC could raise him afterwards. Of course, you'd have to deal with the possibility of some memories remaining from his former 'life' and all. The roleplaying possibilities are intriguing.
EDIT: To be honest, I'd rewrite the spell to make them 10% younger than they originally were. So your child vampire would regain 1.2 years of life instead while a baelnorn who was 700 years old would regain 70 years.
Obviously this regaining of 'youth' would be relative to the subject's biological age, so a human who should die at age 80 (and thus regain 8 years) doesn't count the fact that he extended his life by 200 more years prior to undeath. So if he was biologically 60 years old at the time of un-death he would regain 6 years. |
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Roseweave
Learned Scribe
Ireland
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 17:58:25
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| But done the way it is, it'd be kind of like Sailor Saturn/Hotaru from Sailor Moon, or Tamsin from Lost Girl, lol. So I might do that. Maybe age them more rapidly. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 18:32:30
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| Potion of aging after returned to living. While normally considered a curse going from 12 to 22 should not be much of one. *S* |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 18:38:24
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| True Resurrection does work on some undead, but not all types. It is very dangerous, for example, to cast such a spell on a lich - though that is all we're told in that instance - the actual danger such magic subjects you to is left to one's imagination. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2014 : 16:28:54
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| Holy water & a stake thru the heart works just fine... |
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Ways of "Curing" undeath?
