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CorellonsDevout
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 Posted - 08 Dec 2014 : 19:14:02
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*Possible spoilers*
So I am reading some of the older Elminster novels. I'll admit I'm behind when it comes to the Greenwood novels, as I haven't read all of them. I've read the Elminster series (Making of a Mage, Elminster in Myth Drannor[i/], etc, a long with the new Elminster novels), but I decided to read the [i]Shadow of the Avatar series, because I hear it contains good lore, and since there aren't as many Realms novels being released these days, I've been wanting to read some of the older novels to get my FR fix.
Anyway, in the Elminster books I have read, I've noticed a lot of women seem to have the hots for Elminster, even when he's an old man. I know his lover is the Simbul--or it was until her death/transformation/becoming the new Mystra(?), but other women often kiss and flirt with him. Perhaps "open relationship", is too big of a term to use, but it's the only one I could come up with. It just seems like Elminster, well, gets around when it comes to women, shall we say, even though he has a lover.
Thoughts?
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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Dec 2014 : 21:23:12
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CorellonsDevout, in the Realms having an open relationship with a few partners is not as against society as it is in our world. Heck, even if a child is born the parents don't always marry each other, they will, however, at least live together for a time.
And you must remember, Elminster is ancient. He's been around a few dozen centuries, seen Myth Drannor come and go the first time, been witness to events that are historical events to most in the current age, and he's had numerous relationships with those that don't live nearly as long as he has. You can say (for all intents and purposes) that Elminster really is as old as dirt. |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 02:55:39
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I'm not trying to speak for Ed, or Elminster. But you asked for thoughts. 
Monogamy is overrated. That's a minefield, so I'm not going to just step into it, but there are strong arguments in favor of open relationships and polyamory, and pretty much any other relationship model. Different strokes for different folks, and for different points in life... and since we're talking about a fantasy setting with multiple races, different facets of each model will be touted/denounced by each of them. Leaving us with, if all arguments are put forth with equal competence and all minds are open to learning and divested of "baggage", a plethora of viable options, none automatically more or less morally correct than any other but each available for us to choose if/when they're appropriate for us. Certainly the same must be true, or even more true, in the Realms.
Faerun also doesn't suffer from all the age hangups that modern America does. Compatibility or "chemistry" is important to some/most. Wealth and prestige are important to some. Personal power, whether magical or strength-of-arms, is important. In all of these areas Elminster can be considered a great "catch." Age? Not really a factor most of the time. In fact, it's not even known most of the time. Beyond Storm, Dove, the Simbul, and perhaps Khelben and Laeral, and probably Larloch, and maybe some other ancients, I doubt anyone in the Realms knows how old Elminster is. Of course some might... I tend to think of Manshoon and Szass, and others like Klauth and some phaerimm and beholders, as having much unexpected secret knowledge, and it wouldn't surprise me if any of them had unearthed the connection between Elminster and the long-ago prince of Athalantar, which would lead them to guess the date of his birth. But the average adventurer or tavern lass probably figures he's about her grandfather's age... and doesn't fret much about it.
Age is often a state of mind. In some of the novels, or rather in some specific scenes, Elminster might show his age, but generally speaking --especially around appealing young lasses-- he doesn't act old. He seems much like any other interesting and mysterious man a girl might meet in a tavern or field... perhaps with white hair and a few wrinkles (which, as noted, are more easily overlooked than in the USA) or maybe not. He is a wizard, and for all we know he invented those spells that alter appearance.
Even without magic, Elminster has a vast array of experiences to draw on. He can "read" people better than pretty much anyone else. He can adopt whatever demeanor he wants, to sway people the way he wants them to go. I don't see him ever using this purely for sexual gratification --he has plenty of interested partners without resorting to that-- but he probably wouldn't always push a new interested person aside. Depends on how much work he has on his plate that day, and of course what the ramifications will be several days/decades down the road.
If anything, the fact that Elminster has been around so long makes him infinitely more attractive than other potential mates. Indirectly, of course. He has the experience necessary to make interactions (both verbal and physical) very exciting, and he can spin a yarn (TM? ) like no other, and some people are strongly attracted to intelligence, wisdom, and charisma. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 03:14:40
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| I did not mean my post to be an attack on open relationships or people who have them. I sometimes get annoyed with seemingly every woman being attracted to Eliminster, but it was not a judgement on the concept of open relationships. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 08:17:40
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Not so much back in the old days of the Realms, but more recently, I've seen El become a bit of a silver fox. A shameless one at that. The image of him cradling the rump of a wild elf woman in the High Forest right in front of her daughter has stuck with me in particular.
El certainly doesn't seem to feel any stigma from his polyamory and Wizards of the Coast had to actively downplay the vast number of lovers Alustriel has had over the years for fear of backlash.
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BenN
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 11:57:59
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
Not so much back in the old days of the Realms, but more recently, I've seen El become a bit of a silver fox. A shameless one at that. The image of him cradling the rump of a wild elf woman in the High Forest right in front of her daughter has stuck with me in particular.
It was her moon elf son (Galaeron Nihmedu), and what was funny about that scene was his scandalized, horrified reaction to his mother sitting on El's lap. I can sympathize.  It was an interesting contrast between the mores of the moon & wood elves.
That scene was also one of the most interesting descriptions of wood elf society that I've read anywhere; they seem to love over-indulging in all the pleasurable things in life - flirting, singing & dancing, and drinking too much. The image of wood elves overcome by curiosity for new sensory experiences by trying out El's pipe, and promptly getting hopelessly enslaved to his pipe weed, was hilarious. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 15:53:36
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Toril is not Earth, and The Realms is not America (or whatever other country you prefer).
The 'strangeness' you are pointing-out is not strange in Faerūn. People in FR are not limited to who who they can marry, what they can marry, or how many they can marry. I would say this is the result of living on a planet with 1000+ intelligent species and cultures. Since marriage isn't 'inviolate' (in our own, small-minded way of thinking), I would have to say "being in a relationship" in FR is akin to "we hook up" nowadays - it meaningless, with no strings attached.
I would also have to say that a lot of our own 'moral code' comes from many of us being under the thumb of a monotheistic, monolithic church in times past. Its gonna take a few more centuries to 'heal' that. I'm not saying that Torillians are immoral, but rather, they would find our own ideas of such things laughable. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 16:46:02
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| I didn't say it was strange. I am well aware Faerun is not our world (otherwise it would be boring, and that's why I would love to see more same-sex relationships in Realms novels. It ISN'T our world. I would read an FR novel about a homosexual character in a heartbeat). You know, forget I started this thread. My observation seems to have been taken the wrong way. I was not judging open relationships, but there is a difference between an open relationship and having almost every woman being attracted to you--and you being attracted to them. My main point was that it has gotten a little predictable. But whatever, I regret even starting this thread. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 17:15:54
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It has gotten a little predictable but I consider El as having centuries of experience wooing women and it leads to 'good' things. He's also portrayed as very genuine in his interactions with others. That is, devoid of deceit or treachery unless he simply must be so. My point is that his honesty and easy manner draw people to him and, in the case of those who would be sexually attracted to him, this often leads to sexual encounters. One could also reason that since he spent many years as a woman he has an innate sense of what makes women 'tick.'
I'm also of the belief that El has had sex with men. I think it's likely been rare and I'd hesitate to label him bisexual, but I do believe this to be true. That's purely my own belief, however, and I've no proof of it.
As for 'open' relations I seem to recall the Simbul also having a sexual encounter with a man while she was with El. I may be wrong about the timing though and it may have been before the two of them became lovers. Either way, I don't think El or Alassra have a problem with the other having sexual relationships with other people.
For the record, I actually wish WotC would just quit worrying about what 'outsiders' to the game think and just publish good stuffs. Those who are drawn will come, those who aren't will do something else. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 17:43:50
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| That is a very good point. WotC should worry about what its followers want, not what people who have no interest in the Realms think. Granted players and readers have differing beliefs, but still... |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 18:47:05
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This hearkens back to that big thread we had a short while back about that blurb in the 5e Player's Handbook, helpfully explaining that there's nothing wrong with being gay in D&D.
I like how in Pathfinder everyone is assumed to be bisexual by default so these kinds of issues just don't come up. Like I said before, El has a lot of experience under his belt and I'm sure he's picked up more than his fair share of tips on pitching woo.
Let's not forget as well, that El spent quite a long time living as a woman, so he has the benefit of firsthand empathy too. |
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Demzer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 19:41:49
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Uhm, i'll try to avoid being overly argumentative and apologize if someone is offended by the following but here are some points i would like to make on the discussion at hand.
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Originally posted by xaeyruudh
But the average adventurer or tavern lass probably figures he's about her grandfather's age... and doesn't fret much about it.
That's kinda the point. Elminster appears as an old man, a flirty old man, and a lot of human or half-human women (i won't comment on dwarves, elves, goblinoids or others since i don't want to apply my human thinking to their nonhuman ways) are attracted to him in this guise even before he has any chance to use his mundane charms on them. Ok, it's fantasy, but human beings are still human beings, and in my very limited experience no one would ever have anything intimate to do with someone that might be his/her grandparent. I don't say such things don't happen in real life (heck, there is even a whole porn category for things like these, and the phenomenon of the "toy-boy" or "bunny-girl" of real world celebrities/filthy-rich) but they are by no means the norm, yet Elminster always comes on top (... hew ...).
Now, even if the DM in me scoffs at all the almost unbelievable claims that he has all the charms of Toril and can read any living being like an open book (how many frigging skill ranks/nonweapon proficiencies does he have?!?), i can reasonably concede that in the context of novel narrative, Elminster is the perfect Don Giovanni. This doesn't solve the problem of why (human) women are more often than not attracted to him, even before he has any chance to woo them or advertise the wonderful side-effects of Silver Fire in intimate circumstances.
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Please, try to avoid starting posts in this manner, especially if you're going to point out the obvious. Everyone here has perfectly clear the fact that FR is a fantasy world, there is no need to point it out and no need to give the impression of being a condescending jerk while doing it.
I respect your opinion and invaluable contribution to the community, but starting a post like that gives all the worst impressions about who wrote it.
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
This hearkens back to that big thread we had a short while back about that blurb in the 5e Player's Handbook, helpfully explaining that there's nothing wrong with being gay in D&D.
This hearkens back to nothing. The Original Post says nothing about gay-bi-trans-queer and whatever other distinction i'm forgetting about right now. The Original Post contains two questions: the first is "why is an old man always the focus of women erotic attention?", the second is "what does this imply for his stable realtionship(s)?".
Now, rant over and on to the Realmslore, since that's what we're all here for right?
Well then, i suggest reading The Simbul's Gift for a different and very interesting perspective on the Chosens habit of ... "spreading the love", in this case the protagonist is the Simbul, so she's just a "hot chick", no old age dissuading potential suitors.
I have cloudy memories of Ed or THO or a novel saying that, after Elminster in Hell, the Simbul, while nursing Elminster back to full health, "persuaded" him into limiting all the wenching and related activities while the two were informally engaged. But i can't give any reference right now, so if someone remembers more please speak up.
Sorry for all the fuss, i'm going back to my cave thinking of a sect of Sharessin hunting down Elminster to extract viagr..err Silver Fire from him. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 20:51:26
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Originally posted by Demzer
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
This hearkens back to that big thread we had a short while back about that blurb in the 5e Player's Handbook, helpfully explaining that there's nothing wrong with being gay in D&D.
This hearkens back to nothing. The Original Post says nothing about gay-bi-trans-queer and whatever other distinction i'm forgetting about right now. The Original Post contains two questions: the first is "why is an old man always the focus of women erotic attention?", the second is "what does this imply for his stable realtionship(s)?".
I was not referring to the original post in that particular statement, I was referring to the previous two posts. |
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Demzer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 22:01:51
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
I was not referring to the original post in that particular statement, I was referring to the previous two posts.
Ah, then i'm sorry, i misunderstood your post. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Dec 2014 : 22:21:12
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
It has gotten a little predictable but I consider El as having centuries of experience wooing women and it leads to 'good' things. He's also portrayed as very genuine in his interactions with others. That is, devoid of deceit or treachery unless he simply must be so. My point is that his honesty and easy manner draw people to him and, in the case of those who would be sexually attracted to him, this often leads to sexual encounters. One could also reason that since he spent many years as a woman he has an innate sense of what makes women 'tick.'
I think this is a lot of it.
I'll also note that I don't know of any cases of Elminster hooking up with random women -- just about every time we see him attracting female attention, it's someone that has known him well for years, if not centuries. Knowing someone well can counterbalance a less-than-incredibly attractive appearance.
Besides, we've never actually seen Elminster without his robes on. How do we know he's not absolutely ripped?  |
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Seravin
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 01:13:14
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| Everyone in Ed's many books is flirty and saucy and dirty, so I guess I never worried that Elminster was the target of younger women/girls affections. It really just felt like he fits right in with all Ed's other characters. Ed's realms are, for lack of a better word, kinda horny. Nothing wrong with that of course, but sometimes it detracts from the seriousness of a situation when, for instance, in one of the Swords of XXX books (pun intended), the lady thief runs around with her top off for half the book and makes out with half the knights in Suzail. I may be exaggerating but that's how I remember the book :) |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 05:31:11
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To me it appears that Elminster is simply capable of loving, and loving freely. He's capable of caring about others sincerely, even when they have an odd way of showing it back. He carries his love for others with him, sometimes for centuries. Time does not quell his feelings, nor new relationships. On the contrary, time has made him into someone who's incredibly honest.
He and the Simbul were together, for example, but almost immediately upon discovering the shattered remains of Symrustar he made clear his love for her.
So, Elminster brings a lot to the table when it comes to relationships. I think others sense this (men, not just women).
When people talk about Elminster having many lovers, I think they forget who he is, what is and why he behaves as he does (and this is before we consider Mystra's many commands to him down the years).
Like all things in the Realms, when we see one thing we can't just isolate that thing and examine it independently of everything around it (the Realms a living, breathing world, after all). |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 10:20:41
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Anyway, in the Elminster books I have read, I've noticed a lot of women seem to have the hots for Elminster, even when he's an old man. Thoughts?
Well Ed is an old man too, with similar looks so I allways thought that his own fantasies influenced this part about El. I mean which man doesn't like all kinds of women being all over him despite his age or looks? |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 10:38:17
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Actually, IF I recall correctly (and I may not be) Ed was sort of pushed by TSR and later WotC to include a certain amount of sexual innuendo/encounters in his books. As I recall Ed really didn't want to focus on such things and now, well, it has become a THING. Apologies if I'm mis-remembering things here.
Also, there are actually many people who are attracted to (or at least okay with) older people. It may not be 'the norm' in our society but it is more common than most people think (I have seen it dozens of times over the years). Granted, it's usually not a 20s-something going for a 60s+ something, but it isn't as uncommon as some seem to think. |
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Arcanus
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 13:43:52
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| El has it all-power, knowledge, wealth (although he has little use for it), vast experience and an air of mystery that is attractive (well how many others are chosen and talk to gods and goddesses on a regular basis?). It's no surprise that many women find him alluring and his great age puts him far beyond the norm for the usual age gap comments. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 15:01:47
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Originally posted by Demzer
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Originally posted by Markustay
{sigh}
Please, try to avoid starting posts in this manner, especially if you're going to point out the obvious. Everyone here has perfectly clear the fact that FR is a fantasy world, there is no need to point it out and no need to give the impression of being a condescending jerk while doing it.
I respect your opinion and invaluable contribution to the community, but starting a post like that gives all the worst impressions about who wrote it.
News Flash: I AM a condescending jerk.
I guess maybe I've been here too long - you get tired of the same old topics going round-N-round.
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 18:29:31
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
Actually, IF I recall correctly (and I may not be) Ed was sort of pushed by TSR and later WotC to include a certain amount of sexual innuendo/encounters in his books.
It's the opposite, actually.
Remember, TSR had it's Code of Ethics. WotC didn't have such a code (so far as I know), but I don't recall anyone ever stating in print or online that one way things would change under Wizard's stewardship of the Realms is an increase in sex and sexual situations in the novels.
From what I've read, it's been a cat and mouse game with Elminster (and other characters written by Ed): Ed writes and overwrites, and leaves it up to the editors to decide what gets a pass and what does not. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 18:48:57
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| You're probably right then. I just seem to recall a response or an interview with Ed in which he stated such things were wanted by the editors. But it's been such a long time ago I'm sure I don't have the facts straight at this point. |
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Blueblade
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 20:54:48
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Re. this: "Well Ed is an old man too, with similar looks"
He's in his fifties, which means he's only "old" to teenagers. 
But leaving that aside, we should remember that Ed was SIX years old (and didn't have a beard, or hair going white) when he wrote his first Realms short story. In which Elminster was depicted just as he has been ever since.
So I'm afraid your reasoning on this point falls apart. 
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 10 Dec 2014 : 23:31:44
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
You're probably right then. I just seem to recall a response or an interview with Ed in which he stated such things were wanted by the editors. But it's been such a long time ago I'm sure I don't have the facts straight at this point.
Jeremy has the right of it.
But so do you, in a way...
Ed discussed this some time ago (podcast or other interview?), and what he said was that he wrote things - sometimes on-purpose - knowing full well that the editors would remove it, and he even 'pushed the envelope' in this regard, sometimes writing stuff that was over-the-top 'racy' (or whatever he was going for at the time), and so it became a bit of a game for him, and for them, because they enjoyed finding those 'Ed naughty-bits' as much as he enjoyed writing them - most of which were never meant to get published, but was actually put there on a lark.
Or something very close to that effect. My memory isn't as good as it used to be, sadly, but thats the gist that I recall. |
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Alruane
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Posted - 11 Dec 2014 : 08:51:03
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| First and foremost, I am a GREAT lover of Ed Greenwood's Elminster Novels. Second! I agree, and have noticed this as well. El has a real thing for the ladies, and apparently, they have a thing for him too. Oddly, I always wondered if he was using certain "magics" to get these women into his corner. But then I noticed, he is a really charismatic individual himself. So that also works in his advantage regardless. Not to mention, the guy loves to take on MANY other forms. :P Either way, El is a ladies man through and through. :) |
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The Arcanamach
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Posted - 11 Dec 2014 : 17:40:34
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| You know I got to thinking a bit on this topic and a thought struck me. Certain people actually (sort of) become more attractive as they age. The way some women 'blossom' later in life rather than earlier (cougars anyone?) Some men fall into this category as well. Example: Sean Connery grew into a very distinguished man as he aged (for a time at least). Some ladies were still foaming at the mouth for him well into his 60s. Perhaps El was such an individual. You can't really go by the various pictures presented of him, IMO, because they change from edition to edition. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Dec 2014 : 17:45:46
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| My wife still has a thing for Sean Connery... Though she's a bigger fan of Nathan Fillion. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Dec 2014 : 13:56:57
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I was going to mention Sean Connery as well.
Like I loved to tell my ex - men become DISTINGUISHED, women become OLD.
Guess thats why I have an 'ex'. |
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Open relationships in Elminster novels
