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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 15 Aug 2014 : 21:49:55
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| I don't think they are even considering Realms fans/Gamers as a revenue stream anymore. They are NOT set up in the Dealer's Hall, and instead have just a single counter set up manned by 3-5 people to do all the selling here. |
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ZeshinX
Learned Scribe
Canada
210 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2014 : 21:54:09
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I'm going to take some time to absorb this and think on it. If I was to make my decisions now, I would cancel my order for the PHB, throw up my hands and shake my head in disgust. Then head over to Paizo's site and buy the biggest and fatest product subscription I can, and forever leave WotC and their products behind.
So yes, I'm going to think this one over for a good, long while. Perhaps something will change, or perhaps I'll just calm the hell down and be reasonable with myself again. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2014 : 23:00:02
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This is an odd decision. Hopefully they do have something comparable somewhere in the future schedule and it's just a matter of the left hand being incommunicado with the right foot.
A FRCS style book would really serve as a common touchstone for fans old and new to get in on 5E Realms. I still can't see a web or software product replacing a physical book in terms of visibility in game stores, book stores, Amazon rankings, etc. Speaking for myself, it's really the minimal item needed to make the 5E Realms exist as a cohesive entity rather than a series of loose articles. It's the foundation that later digital supplements can build on.
Realms and D&D products should be looking to be released in more formats and mediums rather than less. Every company can produce ebooks, but few can match the print quality and distribution of a big company like WotC. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2014 : 23:23:37
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I have a sneaking suspicion we've been HASBRO'D and any plans for a campaign guide were scrapped due to budget. If a campaign guide were to be released next year, they would already be working on it or have it written by now I'd think. Pure speculation on my part of course.
Makes a person wonder if the FRCS "book" is going to be a couple of pages in the Dungeon Master's Guide.
I'd really like to know what happened myself. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2014 : 23:42:34
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Originally posted by Eilserus
If a campaign guide were to be released next year, they would already be working on it or have it written by now I'd think.
Yes, I thought that all the lore Ed has been pumping out was destined to such a book.
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
768 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2014 : 23:49:03
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Well this certainly blunts any enthusiasm I had for playing the new edition. No campaign guide and only Ed and Bob writing novels? Sounds like nothing that I wanted. I guess I'll go cancel my order for the players handbook.  |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2014 : 23:59:25
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Hasbro does not control WotC. They do, AFAIK, set the revenue requirements within WotC.
Previous to 5E, Hasbro made the decision to require each division within WotC to produce its own revenue stream, as opposed to letting the company's revenue be counted as one unit.
I get the sense that this policy is still in place. I think the reason the D&D side is shrinking in terms of staff is because the bean counters aren't willing to invest more money where they don't see a "big splash" of revenue coming in.
This makes me think WotC's budget was slashed some time back, so all that buildup about the Realms that we saw ended up for naught.
Or rather, it all got folded into regular 5E, so we'll see the Realms as a soft backdrop for the game, with an emphasis on the game over the setting itself.
Or like someone said above, the right hand might not know what the left hand is doing, and we could get an entirely different message in the next couple of days from WotC. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4686 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 00:08:23
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Hasbro does not control WotC. They do, AFAIK, set the revenue requirements within WotC.
Hasbro owns WotC and so does control it. They might not be involved with the day to day business, maybe not even by the month, however they control the Board of Directors and so set policy. This certainly effects what we are seeing. As WotC has other gaming products, Hasbro in their performance demands might have also forced the WotC CEO to focus on more profit items by cutting staff of the lower instant return. Want to play a card game, or is that not much supported these days as well?
All in all we do not know, who is making the business decisions or what factors are driving them. What we do know is Hasbro controls WotC by owning most if not all of its stock. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11701 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 00:11:14
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| For all we know, they may plan on releasing the "campaign setting" via dragon articles.... and thus forcing signup to the magazine. That way they can kind of release it in bits and pieces. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
768 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 00:38:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Irennan
But they said that there are no near future plans for magazines either...
http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?1828-A-Chat-With-Mike-Mearls-Magazines-Settings-and-More!#.U-tLtfl_siY
He said they didn't have anything to announce. That's not the same thing as no plans -- that could mean there are plans that they are still finalizing or they are prepping a big announcement.
I'm wondering if they are underestimating how much they have to "show" to keep the fanbase engaged? They seem to be VERY tight lipped about their plans, which is not really the way to go with a testy consumer base. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 00:39:50
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Eilserus
If a campaign guide were to be released next year, they would already be working on it or have it written by now I'd think.
Yes, I thought that all the lore Ed has been pumping out was destined to such a book.
Yep, same here. Needless to say I'm confused too. |
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idilippy
Senior Scribe
USA
417 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 00:41:27
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| Is the Mike Mearls interview the same source George Krashos is getting his information from? It seems to me like they are two completely different things. I'm most concerned by the "no immediate plans for a 5E sourcebook/campaign setting book" thing, not so much by anything in the Mearls interview. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 00:42:43
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| Different things. George Krashos got his info from the ToD seminar. |
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idilippy
Senior Scribe
USA
417 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 01:01:56
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| I thought so, thanks! |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 01:07:05
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Originally posted by sleyvas
For all we know, they may plan on releasing the "campaign setting" via dragon articles.... and thus forcing signup to the magazine. That way they can kind of release it in bits and pieces.
I'd be OK with that provided they did a bang up job of it. City maps by Mike Schley and a good 10 to 20 page write-up apiece by Ed would be worth it to me. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 01:09:13
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| And even if there isn't a campaign guide coming, I certainly would like the opportunity to buy that 5E map they talked about at one time. Of course I could just use the 3E one like we have been, but hey I like toys. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 01:22:49
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Ok, so I did find this at ENWorld: "Yes, at a Tyranny of Dragons seminar here at GenCon Mike Mearls said a Realms campaign setting book won't come out for quite a while."
Link: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?358294-No-Forgotten-Realms-Campaign-Setting-in-development
So maybe that just means we have to wait. Now I get the part where we'll get info in stories (novels), but the rumors part has me interested too. I wonder if this means we'll see regularly updated "Current Clack" from the Bearded One himself. The Current Clack sections, especially the old grey box and those old Polyhedron Mags, I have always loved and would certainly like to see something like that.
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Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
Canada
190 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 02:50:05
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| That's a real bummer as i was expecting not only a campaign setting for Forgotten Realms, but also for other universes like Eberron, Greyhawk, Dragonlance etc... : ( |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 02:59:14
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| If Ed is currently writing world bibles, I hope WotC consider releasing them in a deluxe format book. |
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hobbitfan
Learned Scribe
USA
164 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 03:05:36
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I'm speechless guys, I really am.
I feel gutshot.
Why do the Sundering if they weren't going to update the Realms?
Why use it as the setting for the first 5E campaign?
Why were authors and degi9sners saying they were excited about the 5E Realms if there aren't going to be any?
I don't get it.... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 03:11:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Irennan
But they said that there are no near future plans for magazines either...
http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?1828-A-Chat-With-Mike-Mearls-Magazines-Settings-and-More!#.U-tLtfl_siY
He said they didn't have anything to announce. That's not the same thing as no plans -- that could mean there are plans that they are still finalizing or they are prepping a big announcement.
Exactly.
While this news is disappointing, especially for those of us who take pride in looking at our stack of FR core campaign setting books and hoping to add to it with the new edition, we must also remember that Wizards has a vested interest in keeping the Realms as a published setting.
We need only look to the way that the publishing scheduled changed to a more positive trend for the Realms in 4e to see that the company is very well able to shift toward opening up more of the Realms in designed and published sources for the gaming community.
I don't believe we've seen the end of published core setting books for the Realms. Yet. |
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Blackstone
Acolyte
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 03:45:31
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| Yeah... so not impressed with this... Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the new ruleset... but it puts a stake in my interest... |
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daarkknight
Seeker
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 04:28:19
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I am... disappointed.
I don't know that I would have wanted to run a game in the 1480's/90's/1500's Forgotten Realms. But I would like it to be an option at least.
I like the new 5e ruleset (at least the Basic rules). It simplifies things a lot. But most of us don't come here because we think that 1e, or 2e, 3e or 4e was the best (most edition wars aside). It's because we love the Realms, regardless of which edition we choose to play in. We've waited with bated breath for what we anticipated was hard news on how soon after the core rulebooks would be released that we'd get news on what we could look forward to for the Realms. This kind of feels like a death. And if not a death, then our world put on life support. Maybe hyperbole. Maybe the wine. I'm not sure... |
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Blackstone
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 05:50:02
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Okay... everyone chill.....
From the man himself.......
Originally Posted by mearls
The original tweet doesn't capture the full story - we're not working on an FRCS right now because we are putting the bandwidth available for such a project into thinking about how to do an FRCS.
If you think of how we created fifth edition, we probably put more time and effort into determining what it needed to be (playtest, etc.) than into actually writing the final product.
The DMG is also still in the works - we won't even consider engaging in our next big RPG project until that is out the door, everyone has taken a vacation, and we're ready to tackle another huge project. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4686 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 06:32:15
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Originally posted by Blackstone
The DMG is also still in the works - we won't even consider engaging in our next big RPG project until that is out the door, everyone has taken a vacation, and we're ready to tackle another huge project.
I think this might scare even more. The DMG not done yet and some other resources expended of campaign guide. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
1151 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 06:32:40
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| I think we are all just a tad sensitive right now(rightly so)and WotC kind of needs to walk on eggshells for a bit. I hope they manage to gain trust back. |
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Blackstone
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 Aug 2014 : 06:50:04
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| I agree... one bad tweet and all hell broke loose for me... |
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Mattias
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