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mhamza
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 Posted - 15 Jun 2014 : 20:53:01
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What with all the Chosen popping up in Faerun recently, I was a bit curious as for the requirements of becoming a Chosen, aside from showing unwavering devotion to a deity, what else would a character have to do?.
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Edited by - mhamza on 15 Jun 2014 21:25:33
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Jun 2014 : 00:53:14
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| There really isn't a formula... But a major requirement would be to be chosen by the deity. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 16 Jun 2014 : 00:58:45
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| What the Master of Mischief said. From what I understand, being a Chosen isn't something you earn it is something a god grants because he sees devotion and great potential to advance the god's cause. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 16 Jun 2014 : 01:34:55
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The Seven Sisters were Chosen before birth because the Deity selected a surrogate.
There is not rule or set rules on how a mortal can become Chosen of a Deity. The deity however can select a mortal to be worthy and tasked with the burdens of being Chosen.
From the best I can tell the mortal has no choice in the matter. |
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Regcod
Acolyte
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mhamza
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jun 2014 : 17:52:16
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| What if a character was so good at whatever a deity's portfolio was and the deity makes them a chosen, i mean like say someone was so good at magic but didn't worship Mystra, would she then try to convert them to her clergy? |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jun 2014 : 19:48:29
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Originally posted by mhamza
What if a character was so good at whatever a deity's portfolio was and the deity makes them a chosen, i mean like say someone was so good at magic but didn't worship Mystra, would she then try to convert them to her clergy?
For your example the answer appears to be no. There is no indication that Mystra tried to convert Qilué Veladorn and she was Chosen before birth. This though could be considered a special case. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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mhamza
Seeker
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Posted - 16 Jun 2014 : 20:34:09
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Originally posted by Kentinal
For your example the answer appears to be no. There is no indication that Mystra tried to convert Qilué Veladorn and she was Chosen before birth. This though could be considered a special case.
Huh, well thanks anyway. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jun 2014 : 22:46:43
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This particular example isnt valid, anyhow. In the Realms, *everyone* who uses any form of magic is venerating Mystra. Even Red Wizards of yesteredition, for example, reluctantly gave Mystra minimal lip service - much as it pained their misogynistic smoldering arrogance, much as they fueled their (Rashemen-inspired) conceptions and hatreds towards witches. The Reds openly venerated cool manly evil deities - like Velsharoon, Myrkul, Kossuth, Azuth, and Talos - but in the end, when unavoidably necessary, they would humbly invoke Mystras name because no other would suffice.
Mystras dominion over magic in the Realms is basically inescapable and absolute.
But, that being said, yes, deities might approach extraordinary mortals whose abilities or actions promote their divine portfolios in the mortal world. Some may attempt to convert or convince such mortals. Other might impose no-saving-throw divine fiat regardless of the mortals wishes. Most would probably not waste much time attempting to enroll a Chosen vessel who obdurately refuses to serve. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Jul 2014 : 01:20:50
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| In Mystra's case, she tends to approach mortals about becoming her Chosen (rather than forcing it on them). This is documentef for both Elminster and Sammaster. The Seven Sisters are a special case but I seem to recall she approached each of them as well. In other words, they had some spark as a result of their divine parentage but weren't made Chosen until she approached them. But I can't remember where I read that from now. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 02 Jul 2014 : 12:48:03
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Originally posted by Ayrik
This particular example isnt valid, anyhow. In the Realms, *everyone* who uses any form of magic is venerating Mystra. Even Red Wizards of yesteredition, for example, reluctantly gave Mystra minimal lip service - much as it pained their misogynistic smoldering arrogance, much as they fueled their (Rashemen-inspired) conceptions and hatreds towards witches. The Reds openly venerated cool manly evil deities - like Velsharoon, Myrkul, Kossuth, Azuth, and Talos - but in the end, when unavoidably necessary, they would humbly invoke Mystras name because no other would suffice.
Mystras dominion over magic in the Realms is basically inescapable and absolute.
But, that being said, yes, deities might approach extraordinary mortals whose abilities or actions promote their divine portfolios in the mortal world. Some may attempt to convert or convince such mortals. Other might impose no-saving-throw divine fiat regardless of the mortals wishes. Most would probably not waste much time attempting to enroll a Chosen vessel who obdurately refuses to serve.
Misogynistic? I'm perfectly accepting of all kinds of red wizard name calling, but I don't think that fits them. They got women in their ranks who as much an asshole as the men. Just sayin' |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jul 2014 : 19:16:42
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True, Reds arent entirely sexist. But, somehow, I gained the impression (from the fiction and the game sourcebooks) that the Red Wizards are a predominantly male-dominated organization, at least in positions of power, and that their traditions basically favour males for arcane competence while condeming females for witchy cunning.
Quite odd, really, since Reds are well known for their treachery, arrogance, scheming, and fiendish pacts, regardless of their gender. There are indeed female Red Wizards, even female Zulkirs. The misconception might be my own, reading more into the material than what was written, or generalizing Reds from nonrepresentative individuals (such as misogynistic Maligor, in the Harpers novel). |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jul 2014 : 18:29:35
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
In Mystra's case, she tends to approach mortals about becoming her Chosen (rather than forcing it on them). This is documentef for both Elminster and Sammaster. The Seven Sisters are a special case but I seem to recall she approached each of them as well. In other words, they had some spark as a result of their divine parentage but weren't made Chosen until she approached them. But I can't remember where I read that from now.
Yes, the Seven were conceived so that they'd be born with the physical and mental Fortitude required to become a stable Chosen (unlike Sammaster who agreed to become Chosen but couldn't handle it).
When the girls grew up and had come into their own power, Mystra approached each of them and offered them the opportunity (in Laeral and Sylune's case, they were about to kill each other, having no idea that they were sisters, when Mystra appeared).
A lot of other Chosen have had the decision made for them. Hedrun Arnsfirth - Chosen of Auril, for example, discovered that she was Chosen when she didn't die from exposure in the frozen tundra like she should have done. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jul 2014 : 20:03:02
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| The shade Erevis Cale was Chosen by Mask, yet rejected it (hating and defying Mask) for years. They eventually resolved their differences with a bit of a knife fight in a back alley. |
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Yuukale
Acolyte
Brazil
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Posted - 20 Jul 2014 : 04:55:12
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| Besides the Srinshee, are there any other Chosen of Corellon ? (If I recall it correctly, the Srinshee is both Chosen of Mystra AND Corellon, right?) |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Jul 2014 : 06:30:17
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| Um, the Srinshee is the Chosen of the entire Seldarine, not just Corellon Larethian. As for your question, the only other character I can think of that was stated to be a Chosen of Corellon is Queen Amlaruil of Evermeet (and even then, she is also a Chosen of the Seldarine, IIRC). |
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