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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  00:10:43  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

Greetings again!

Dunno whether it has been adressed already, but has there been anything said by the Wizards (designers) in response to what the Sojourner did to Selūne's tear? Any "fall out" on Faerūn, both in events and possibly items/material? In any case, it should get a mention in the Realms' calendar, shouldn't it?



Zanan,

My apologies for the delay in responding.

I have had some tentative discussions with at least one designer about some of the fallout of the "rain of fire." Some of the effects will also be mentioned in Shadowbred.

Paul

Edited by - PaulSKemp on 17 Mar 2006 00:16:01
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  00:12:49  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Kaysae,

First, thank you very much. I'm very pleased that you enjoyed the Cale trilogy. And yes, I did regard all of the symbols in the Fane as likely to change with the rising or falling fortunes of the various deities. Hence the statue of Mask standing in Shar's shadow. Hmm.

As for the rest of your post, let me just say that you have some interesting ideas regarding Mask's agenda.

Of course, Mask is a either a masterful plotter or a very poor one, so you might be in for some surprises yet.

Paul

Edited by - PaulSKemp on 17 Mar 2006 00:15:14
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Lameth
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 :  22:07:50  Show Profile  Visit Lameth's Homepage  Send Lameth an ICQ Message Send Lameth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When is the release date for Shadowbred?
July 2006 or November 2006
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November 2006.

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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 04 Apr 2006 :  14:22:49  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

November 2006.




The Sage is correcto. November of 2006, Lameth.

Paul
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulSKemp

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

November 2006.




The Sage is correcto. November of 2006, Lameth.

Paul

I was going to add... "Not soon enough." But the wait will do me good... since it gives me the opportunity to finish the Cale trilogy .

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Octa
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Posted - 04 Apr 2006 :  17:34:14  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From the plotter bit, Paul that was the first time I've ever seen a worshipper in print, cognize that maybe the God he serves just isn't very on the ball about things mentally and gets outplayed so to speak.

I would expect Mask as god of thieves to be quite clever, but it seems like his real competition in this place is Shar, who must be considered the master manipulator of the Faerunian Pantheon. If it was Cyric or Bane or any of the good gods, I would give him half a chance. Probably I would put Selune as the major behind the scenes player there.
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Aquanova
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 :  21:36:03  Show Profile  Visit Aquanova's Homepage Send Aquanova a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you won't Sage, then I will for you:

quote:
Originally posted by PaulSKemp


The Sage is correcto. November of 2006, Lameth.

Paul


Not soon enough, Paul. Can't wait.

quote:
Originally posted by Octa

From the plotter bit, Paul that was the first time I've ever seen a worshipper in print, cognize that maybe the God he serves just isn't very on the ball about things mentally and gets outplayed so to speak.

I would expect Mask as god of thieves to be quite clever, but it seems like his real competition in this place is Shar, who must be considered the master manipulator of the Faerunian Pantheon. If it was Cyric or Bane or any of the good gods, I would give him half a chance. Probably I would put Selune as the major behind the scenes player there.


Well, it's possible that pre-ToT Mask was one of the most cunning and intelligent gods around, but got some of that shrewdness sapped from him when Cyric stole some of his power.

However that's not to say that Mask is not a threat-- far from it. As Paul showed us in Midnight's Mask, the Master of All Thieves is as dangerous a foe as any, even in his weakened state.
And at the same time that's not to say that the Shadowlord is invincible, as he has shot himself in the foot several times. Hopefully though, my favorite fantasy deity is back to his old capable self now.

Anyway... Paul, if you can say, will your next trilogy reveal to us if Mask's theft of the Tower of the Eternal Eclipse/slaughtering of Cyricists increased his divine strength, much as how Lolth was strengthened by the events in the WotSQ novels?
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 20 Apr 2006 :  16:11:39  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aquanova

Anyway... Paul, if you can say, will your next trilogy reveal to us if Mask's theft of the Tower of the Eternal Eclipse/slaughtering of Cyricists increased his divine strength, much as how Lolth was strengthened by the events in the WotSQ novels?



I can say that there will be developments in this regard. Sorry to be so cryptic.

Paul
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Zsych
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Posted - 05 May 2006 :  12:37:09  Show Profile  Visit Zsych's Homepage Send Zsych a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Paul,

i was wondering.. how are you portraying the Shades in your new novels?

As mysterious rarely seen characters, or are we going to be seeing Shade enclave again?

Are Cale and lot likely to make common cause with the Shades at some point, or is it going to be good guys vs. bad guys, with the Shades being the baddies?

And what's the situation with Shade's mythallar? Normally i would think that even if Mystra's limitations somehow affect the Shadow-weave, stepping one foot outside of Toril(onto another plane), is more than enough to solve that problem, and let Telamont do what he needs to fix it... or maybe to create a new one.

Personally, i don't think that Shade's return will be very interesting unless a few more enclaves can rise(maybe under Telamont's sons), to make it at least seem that Netheril may yet be restored.


... and whatever happened to archwizards, possibly apart from Telamont, continuing the quest towards becoming gods? seems it's usually bums who end up diefied these days :) and through no real work of their own. I've never liked the idea of people not working for power, and when it's only people who don't work for power who get it... it's kinda annoying.

Not to say that i expect anyone in your books to become a god, but the old Netherese PoV being back in a couple of mages would be nice (the after death situation of non-god worshipping wizards who want to be gods, considering the rules for the faithless and the false might be interesting too, if they don't reach their goals :))
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 05 May 2006 :  14:26:07  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Zsych,

I will answer as much as I can.

Yes, we will see Shade Enclave again. One of the Princes of Shade is a primary point-of-view character in the book, so you will come to know him well.

As for who is the baddie and who not -- I'll let you decide that for yourself when the novel is released. :-)

Paul
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Swordsage
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Posted - 05 May 2006 :  23:25:52  Show Profile  Visit Swordsage's Homepage Send Swordsage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zsych


Personally, i don't think that Shade's return will be very interesting unless a few more enclaves can rise(maybe under Telamont's sons), to make it at least seem that Netheril may yet be restored.




Oh god, no.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 May 2006 :  23:29:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zsych

Personally, i don't think that Shade's return will be very interesting unless a few more enclaves can rise(maybe under Telamont's sons), to make it at least seem that Netheril may yet be restored.


Will be interesting? It's already returned... And I agree with the Swordsage: two surviving enclaves is more than enough. We do not need the return of a nation responsible for its own fall 1700 years ago.

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Zsych
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Posted - 06 May 2006 :  01:02:50  Show Profile  Visit Zsych's Homepage Send Zsych a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Netherese were hardly responsible for their own fall. Karsus' situation was more of an accident than anything else.

And going by what Ed says, Mystryl didn't even know that her divinity was going to be passed on, so considering a non-permanent Karsus Avatar, her suicide was crazy(it would've destroyed magic permanently for all she knew)

As for Shade, i mean that in the sense that if they can't repair their mythallar, or show any other signs of being Netherese, then what's the point of their return?

Naturally, a new enclave wouldn't have much value to start with. It likely takes decades at the least for life on an enclave to mature(which amounts to the new enclaves becoming decent powers somewhere around 2020 for us), so it'd just be a flying town for the most part, with part of Shade's population(the more entrepeneurial kind i'd expect), and trying to get more people from elsewhere... Still, it would at least imply a return of Netheril with it's basically superior magic, and the resultant reactions in Faerun would make it interesting.

The threat of there eventually being many Netherese enclaves capable of blasting away cities on the ground, but there being insufficient current provocation to attack the Shades directly again might lead to Faerun's version of a cold war, with lots of intrigue and perhaps new magic.

Also, with Netherese culture being more advanced industrially, they would make more and bigger stuff, at lesser cost, giving them an economic advantage.. not usually an issue, but still interesting.

At least, that is my opinion. An unpleasant industrialized nation popping up in the middle-ages, would have been reason for a great deal of worry.

Of course, one also has to consider that it's blatantly stupid from a strategic PoV to have only one base of operations. Telamont wants to resurrect Netheril, not to risk everything going down in one go, through some bad luck. At the least, he needs an extra (hidden) mythallar like on Karsus enclave, just in case one actually does end up destroyed in the next serious attack on Shade(gotta happen sometime)
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 07 May 2006 :  22:11:34  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Paul,

I was just wondering, I know most authors don't want to use too many characters that other authors have come up with, but is Avner of Hartsvale going to make a cameo in any of the books, or perhaps get mentioned as anything more than just another name of a Chosen of Mask?

I also thinks its kind of interesting, of the Chosen we know of for Mask so far, we have two somewhat reluctant Chosen (Cale and Avner), and two relatively enthusiastic ones (Riven and Kesson Rel) . . .

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quote:
Originally posted by Zsych

The Netherese were hardly responsible for their own fall. Karsus' situation was more of an accident than anything else.


Karsus was a product of his culture. And his culture was one that emphasized using magic for every possible thing, regardless of the consequences. Hence, Netheril caused its own fall.

Halruaa proves that a highly magical society can exist without destroying itself, so long as they practice magic with a degree of responsibility.

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Zsych
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Posted - 08 May 2006 :  07:47:47  Show Profile  Visit Zsych's Homepage Send Zsych a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They were fighting the Phaerimm. Not exactly a minor magical race. The Phaerimm were on top of it, using gorilla warfare, attacking from hidden positions, killing Archwizards and others when possible causing Netherese magic to fail.

Then, as if the hidden menace wasn't enough, Ioulaum vanished causing serious morale problems.

Karsus did what he had to do to save his people(while furthering his own main cause).

Great power was needed to defeat the Phaerimm and he reached out for the greatest he could acquire... If Mystryl wasn't crazy it would've worked fine.

As it is the Netherese died, but the Phaerimm also died(more or less), which means that the human race got a chance to live on, as opposed to what the Phaerimm would likely have done. They are really proud and sorta xenophobic(think that's the right term) creatures.
... And let's also remember that they mostly destroyed Imaskar, and the Imarkari hadn't done them any of the harm that the Netherese accidentally did.
... If the Phaerimm had retained power, and Karsus hadn't done what he did, the human race might be history.
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It doesn't matter. They were still using magic irresponsibly. They were using magic for the simple sake of using magic... Karsus was just a reflection of his culture. Netheril destroyed itself.

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Zanan
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

It doesn't matter. They were still using magic irresponsibly. They were using magic for the simple sake of using magic... Karsus was just a reflection of his culture. Netheril destroyed itself.



Would like to echo this. The Netheril novel trilogy gave a decent enough picture of the state of the empire in the months before its fall. Nothing to write home about or to raise again.

But we should keep this thread open for Mr. Kemp and his answers, shall we not?!

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The Sage
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Posted - 08 May 2006 :  16:11:09  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Indeed. Zsych... if you're interested in pursuing this issue more, I would suggest you open scroll in the General FR section and continue it there.

Let's keep this scroll purely for questions to Paul.

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Zsych
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Posted - 09 May 2006 :  06:44:33  Show Profile  Visit Zsych's Homepage Send Zsych a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Netherese were using magic to become greater. A worthy pursuit.
One might ask why we focus on so many luxuries when 3rd world countries are often suffering. What? You don't consider us evil? :)

Personally i like Ed Greenwood's depiction of Karsus in his 3rd Elminster book better than the crazy 300 year old with a 3 year old's brain, in the Netheril novels.. which were rather bizarre things anyway. Who expected to read about a fighter in the Netheril novels? :)
Some of the stories in the Realms of Shadow anthology were more interesting and better thought out depictions of what Netherese life may have been like.

As for derailing the thread, that's exactly what was bothering me. Though varying views on Netheril and thus the Shades may give Mr. Kemp a few new ideas... which just might make things more interesting.

I wonder what's planned for Ioulaum's apprentice(forgotten her name) that LEoF says that the Shades captured. Having Ioulaum back in the game might be intriguing. Plus there has yet to be any serious clarification about whether the Shadow Weave having never faced the Sundering or Karsus folly can support 10+ level magic. Going by all evidence, 10+ level magic is harder to discover by yourself than epic magic is supposed to be, but i'm sure that it would send shockwaves through Toril, if the Shades did something along those lines.

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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 09 May 2006 :  15:33:13  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

Hey Paul,

I was just wondering, I know most authors don't want to use too many characters that other authors have come up with, but is Avner of Hartsvale going to make a cameo in any of the books, or perhaps get mentioned as anything more than just another name of a Chosen of Mask?

I also thinks its kind of interesting, of the Chosen we know of for Mask so far, we have two somewhat reluctant Chosen (Cale and Avner), and two relatively enthusiastic ones (Riven and Kesson Rel) . . .



KEjr,

At this point, I do not have any intention of including Avner.

Interesting observation re the other Chosen. Of course, Kesson Rel was enthusiastic centuries ago. Whether he remains so is an open question.

Paul
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Zsych
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Posted - 17 May 2006 :  13:01:32  Show Profile  Visit Zsych's Homepage Send Zsych a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Paul...

I was just looking through Lords of Darkness, and that says that Shade enclave is moving around easily enough, and that it is seen periodically near villages before people are kidnapped(among other strange things).

That would imply that the Shades managed to fix their mythallar probably in a matter of weeks... And then went on to start to lay claim to Anauroch, and start their other activities as well.

In your opinion, is that right? Or is the mythallar still broken for some reason.. That would make Lords of Darkness wrong, and WotC is supposed to maintain consistency... but it seems to be the common opinion.. that the mythallar is still broken, because no book since then has mentioned if it was fixed.
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 18 May 2006 :  15:56:43  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Zsych,

I'm not sure when Lords of Darkness came out relative to Troy's RotAW series. It is possible that LoD came out before the Archwizards' series concluded, and that may explain the differing references.

I do speak to the matter in Shadowbred.

Paul
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Posted - 18 May 2006 :  20:43:39  Show Profile  Visit Zsych's Homepage Send Zsych a Private Message  Reply with Quote
LoD came out a year before.

Hmm, since you do not say that LoD is correct about what was happening shortly after the whole Evereska mess... i extrapolate that the mythallar is still broken and awaiting repair :)

That when it should've been impossible to damage it in the first place since any being touching it is instantaneously disintegrated without a chance at resurrection :)

I await your book. I have a feeling that it's going to be very interesting.
Seems i'm going to be giving up my Netherese contempt for gods, and actually praying for my Netherese brethren.. to Shar it seems, of all the dieties :)
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